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Rekna 11-01-2006 08:51 PM

The new election fraud
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,226838,00.html
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Ann Coulter Voting Fraud Case Likely Will Be Turned Over to Prosecutors, Florida Elections Chief Says

Wednesday, November 01, 2006

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — Conservative columnist Ann Coulter has refused to cooperate in an investigation into whether she voted in the wrong precinct, so the case will probably be turned over to prosecutors, Palm Beach County's elections chief said Wednesday.

Elections Supervisor Arthur Anderson said his office has been looking into the matter for nearly nine months, and he would turn over the case to the state attorney's office by Friday.

Coulter's attorney did not immediately return a call Wednesday. Nor did her publicist at her publisher, Crown Publishing.

Knowingly voting in the wrong precinct is a felony punishable by up to five years in prison.

Anderson's office received a complaint in February that Coulter voted in the wrong precinct during a Feb. 7 Palm Beach town council election.

Anderson said a letter was sent to Coulter on March 27 requesting that she clarify her address for the voting records "or face the possibility of her voter registration being rescinded." Three more letters were sent to Coulter and her attorney, but she has yet to respond with the information requested, Anderson said.

In July, Anderson said, he received a letter from Coulter's attorney, Marcos Daniel Jimenez D'Clouet. The letter said the attorney would only discuss the matter in person or by telephone because, he complained, Anderson had given details to the media. Anderson said the matter had to be discussed in writing.
How do you feel about this? Clearly voting in the wrong precinct can greatly effect state and local elections in addition to congressional elections. If enough people did this it could tip the tables in an election. I'm curious which precinct she was supposed to vote in and which precinct she did vote in. Also I'm wondering what the results of that precincts elections was.

A little over 2 years ago I moved to Salt Lake and now i'm stuck in the reddest of red states making most of my votes worthless. I could have registered via absentee ballot back home and had a vote that was semi-useful but I figured since I wasn't living there it wasn't fair anymore. Do you think it is ok to vote somewhere where you used to live? Also how soon after you move should you register in the new precinct?

dc_dux 11-01-2006 09:24 PM

You should vote where you live or you vote would be as fraudulent as "law and order" Annie Coulter's

The only exception I could see that is reasonable to do otherwise is if you moved there after the voter registration cutoff, in which case I think it would be legal to vote in your former state. The other reason to be registered in Utah is to vote in local elections. You have a rockin mayor in Rocky Anderson...a guy not afraird to speak out against Bush policies despite the redness of the state.

At least you have a vote. I have no senators and my congresswoman is only allowed to vote in committees and not on final votes on the floor of the House.

jorgelito 11-01-2006 11:03 PM

Ouch, the hazards of living in the District of Columbia. I remember seeing license plates with "Taxation without representation" on them when I was living there.

Maybe these election issues could have been resolved if we had a proper ID or fingerprint voting system. So even if you went to the wrong polling station, the data would aggregate in the main database to be sorted accordingly when polls close.

At the federal level, maybe it's time for the electoral college to be discontinued so that all our votes count, not just certain special interest groups like Cuban-Americans or certain states like Ohio and Florida. It would also not negate voters who are minorities in their districts (i.e - Republican voters in LA).

NCB 11-02-2006 04:50 AM

This is a "new election fraud case"? What a joke.

ratbastid 11-02-2006 04:59 AM

Man, Ann Coulter going to federal prison for five years would TOTALLY make my day.

This is probably just an innocent mistake on her part, though. Somebody that arrogant, she probably now is screaming that that law is a stupid liberal plot and shouldn't apply to her.

NCB 11-02-2006 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ratbastid
Man, Ann Coulter going to federal prison for five years would TOTALLY make my day.

This is probably just an innocent mistake on her part, though. Somebody that arrogant, she probably now is screaming that that law is a stupid liberal plot and shouldn't apply to her.

Can you tell me how this is different than someone who goes to the wrong precinct and votes anyway? Are any of them prosecuted?

Bill O'Rights 11-02-2006 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by NCB
Can you tell me how this is different than someone who goes to the wrong precinct and votes anyway? Are any of them prosecuted?

As ratbastid pointed out...it was probably an innocent mistake on her part. And...you are correct in assuming that few are probably prosecuted.
However...I should imagine that those that are not prosecuted, are those that cooperate in any subsuquent investigations?

If this was a simple error on her part, which I am 99.8% positive that it was, then just freakin' admit it.
Or...is it really that hard for her to actually admit that she was wrong about something...anything?

NCB 11-02-2006 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill O'Rights
As ratbastid pointed out...it was probably an innocent mistake on her part. And...you are correct in assuming that few are probably prosecuted.
However...I should imagine that those that are not prosecuted, are those that cooperate in any subsuquent investigations?

If this was a simple error on her part, which I am 99.8% positive that it was, then just freakin' admit it.
Or...is it really that hard for her to actually admit that she was wrong about something...anything?

No question; she's a cantankerous bitch who feels the liberal DA is after her and she is too prideful to cooperate. Last I checked, pride wasnt a prosecutable offense. Also, she does have precedent to believe its politically motivate; just look at the Rush Limbaugh case. Rush was the only one to ever be investigated and prosecuted on doctor shopping.

pig 11-02-2006 05:56 AM

ncb,

huh? i don't understand your rush comment? do you have proof of other politically oriented people who were doctor shopping? i know you're not saying he's in a special class of people who have been investigated for that, in general. there's a whole society more or less set up to help doctors who have been in trouble for "overprescribing" pain meds. Here's some guy who's up for it in Ohio.

As far as the Coulter thing goes, would she have had any reason to prefer voting outside her residence? I can see it as a simple mistake, and I can just as easily see her betting on the general incompetence of the voting apparatus we have in the States and assuming she would never get caught. Regardless, this junk with not responding for months is crazy. Definately appears to have a little case of thinking she's above the law.

I don't know that I expect this to result in some new form of voting fraud - but if you could get away with it I can easily see how it could change elections. I'm in the same boat as you reckna. There's a chance my votes on non-Federal offices might be useful, and possibly my Congressional votes - although very unlikely. This usually translates into me being able to safely vote third party.

I'd love to see the electoral college split state-by-state according the popular vote in that state.

Rekna 11-02-2006 08:21 AM

I read into this a bit more, when she filled out her voter registration she put her attorneys address and then voted at the precinct for that registration. I don't see how she could accidentally put her lawyers address as her own and then accidentally go to that precinct anyway.

She did it intentionally.

Ustwo 11-02-2006 08:46 AM

Ann's problem is she is a conservative in Palm Beach County and the rules are different there for conservatives.

Hell I voted for my Dad once accidentally after he already voted, oddly no one came to hunt him down for voting twice.

Willravel 11-02-2006 09:17 AM

Maybe this should be about disinfranchised voters, broken or tampered with voting machines, liars, cheats and stolen votes instead of an 80 year old bitch who's too stupid to keep herself out of court. J. Kenneth Blackwell R(former Co-Chair of the Bush/Cheney campaign), who's the Ohio Secretary of State, is running the election AND running for governor. Conflict of interest much?

Back in 2004, in Ohio, there were 22,000 overvotes for Bush in a nonrandom pattern in heavily Democratic districts. There were prepunched ballots in Cleveland. They 'accedentally' purged 24% of the voters in Cleveland (Cleveland, that was heavily in support of Kerry) because of an 'electronic glitch'. The guess (by investigators) is that 500,000 voters were dropped in Ohio, all from democratic areas. In many rural areas in Ohio, the abentee balloits were ran twice. Diebold CEO Wally O'Dell, in 2003, sent out a fund raising letter that said he would guerentee that Ohio's electoral votes would go to Goerge W. Bush. He also raised $200,000 for the Bush campaign. Google the 'Mighty Texas Strike Force'.

Go vote, but please follow up on you vote, no matter where you are, to make sure your vote was counted. If you're worried about vote fraud, bring in a camera phone and make sure you have documentation of your vote.

1-888-OUR-VOTE

kutulu 11-02-2006 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Ustwo
Ann's problem is she is a conservative in Palm Beach County and the rules are different there for conservatives.

Hell I voted for my Dad once accidentally after he already voted, oddly no one came to hunt him down for voting twice.

Please whine a little more about the poor conservatives.

Yes there is nothing different accidentally using your Dad's vote and intentionally using you lawyer's address so that you can vote in a different precinct. Its totally the same thing... :rolleyes:

Rekna 11-02-2006 10:02 AM

Ustwo how did you accidentally vote for your dad? Do you have the same name and the election people screwed up or did you go vote for your dad because he wasn't going to be able to vote?

Ustwo 11-02-2006 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by kutulu
Please whine a little more about the poor conservatives.

Yes there is nothing different accidentally using your Dad's vote and intentionally using you lawyer's address so that you can vote in a different precinct. Its totally the same thing... :rolleyes:

You obviously know nothing about Palm Beach County.

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Originally Posted by Rekna
Ustwo how did you accidentally vote for your dad? Do you have the same name and the election people screwed up or did you go vote for your dad because he wasn't going to be able to vote?

Same name, they had him down as having voted, thought it was me, thought it was a mistake. Turns out I was not registered there anymore (goodness, I was in the wrong polling place! Alert the press!), but I voted for him, again.

Edit:Where is the fraud again btw? I've yet to see anything here that would be a 'gain' for republicans by having her vote somewhere else.

ratbastid 11-02-2006 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Ustwo
Same name, they had him down as having voted, thought it was me, thought it was a mistake. Turns out I was not registered there anymore (goodness, I was in the wrong polling place! Alert the press!), but I voted for him, again.

Well, the point is, that's a felony, no matter what county you're in. You can't pick and choose the laws you want applied. In this case, she has broken the law (and it appears deliberate based on my very little reading about it), and she's now actively impeding the investigation, which may be another felony. Sounds like she deserves to have the book thrown at her.

Ustwo 11-02-2006 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ratbastid
Well, the point is, that's a felony, no matter what county you're in. You can't pick and choose the laws you want applied. In this case, she has broken the law (and it appears deliberate based on my very little reading about it), and she's now actively impeding the investigation, which may be another felony. Sounds like she deserves to have the book thrown at her.

And if it were anyone else on the planet (well at least any liberal) this would be a non-issue I'm sure :lol:

ratbastid 11-02-2006 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Ustwo
And if it were anyone else on the planet (well at least any liberal) this would be a non-issue I'm sure :lol:

It's not her partisanship that makes me loath her. It's her stridency and intellectual sloppiness. I feel the almost the same way about Michael Moore that I do about Ann Coulter. Well... I'm more on the "embarrassed" end of the spectrum about Moore. Coulter puts me on the "enraged" end.

roachboy 11-02-2006 12:11 PM

poor victimized conservatives!
constantly put upon by the Forces of Evil!

poor poor conservatives, always martyred even when they are winning, always sacrificing themselves even when they are not...they give and give and give.....and the fallen world simply will not recognize them and acknowledge their Righteousness, their Exemplary Humanity.

poor ann coulter!

here she is being singled out by the Forces of Evil who want nothing other than to do Harm to the Righteous because they resent the fact that such beings walk the earth.

imagine what a burden she has taken on herself--it must be difficult for her to continually sacrifice any trace of intellectual credibility in the interest of the Cause of Righteousness...and for this dame edna self-sacrifice, what does she get?
adulation? no!
appreciation? no!
do the Forces of Evil even stop to say "thank you"? no, no and no!

instead they single her out wrongly and they do it in the press, the press which is dominated by the Forces of Evil, and they make mountains of molehills, of those oversights that Devotion to the Cause of Righteousness can cause one to make.....and what is worse, the Forces of Evil do not recognize these oversights for what they are: indicators of her Faith, her Devotion...and so they would hold them against her rather than seeing in them reasons to exalt her, to admire her, to see in her a Virtuoso of Belief....

poor ann coulter!
poor victimized ann coulter!
the travails of the Saints are never recognized by the Fallen...such is the martyrdom we conservatives take on...such are the Sacrifices demanded of us by our Higher Cause!

when the Rapture comes, things will be different, buddy.
you just wait.....

kutulu 11-02-2006 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Ustwo
Same name, they had him down as having voted, thought it was me, thought it was a mistake. Turns out I was not registered there anymore (goodness, I was in the wrong polling place! Alert the press!), but I voted for him, again.

Again, if it is an honest mistake, I'm sure the law can forget about it. The should not, however, allow someone to intentionally vote in the wrong district and then impede the investigation.

flstf 11-02-2006 03:54 PM

Seems like Ann is always in the news especially when she has a new book out.

NCB 11-02-2006 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by flstf
Seems like Ann is always in the news especially when she has a new book out.

Yeah, funny how that works

reconmike 11-05-2006 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ratbastid
Well, the point is, that's a felony, no matter what county you're in. You can't pick and choose the laws you want applied. In this case, she has broken the law (and it appears deliberate based on my very little reading about it), and she's now actively impeding the investigation, which may be another felony. Sounds like she deserves to have the book thrown at her.

So does this point of view also apply to illegal border crossers that march in the street, presidents who commit perjury, and lest not forget the ever popular treasonous candidates ?

If your going to take a stand on a felony like this the afore mentioned should be also.

Lynch her along with the others!!!!! :lol:

ratbastid 11-05-2006 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by reconmike
So does this point of view also apply to illegal border crossers that march in the street, presidents who commit perjury, and lest not forget the ever popular treasonous candidates?

I don't know who you're referring to by "treasonous candidates", but sure, I'd include the others.

Let's throw in presidents who routinely break the law, flout the constitution, commit war crimes, and lie to the American public.

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

hiredgun 11-05-2006 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by flstf
Seems like Ann is always in the news especially when she has a new book out.

That's interesting. I didn't think of it that way.

I wouldn't put it past her to do it as a publicity stunt. In either case, it really means very little politically.


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