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Old 08-19-2006, 08:58 AM   #1 (permalink)
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illegal claiming sanctuary

not sure if this should be in politics, if not then mods can move it.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,209442,00.html

CHICAGO — Immigration enforcement officers do not plan to enter a church where a single mother sought sanctuary rather than submit to deportation to Mexico, a government official said Friday.

But Elvira Arellano, 31, and her supporters say only a stay of deportation will ensure that she and her 7-year-old son, an American citizen, are not forcibly removed from the Adalberto United Methodist Church.

"The situation doesn't change," Arellano said in Spanish.

Arellano has been living in the church since Tuesday, when she was supposed to surrender to authorities for deportation.

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials had said they would apprehend Arellano at a time and place "of their choosing" and that nothing prevented them from going into the church.

But on Friday, a government official close to the case said immigration agents have decided against entering the church to remove Arellano.

The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because it is against ICE policy to discuss operational matters, said the Arellano case carries "no more priority than any of the other 500,000 fugitives nationally."

I know you all think i'm paranoid, but doesn't that number strike anyone else as way too high to feel comfortable about?
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Old 08-19-2006, 09:11 AM   #2 (permalink)
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If they are referring to illegal immigrints from Mexico, then that number is seriously lacking.
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Old 08-19-2006, 09:18 AM   #3 (permalink)
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no doubt, but I believe that the keyword is 'fugitives', not 'undocumented'. Fugitives implies that they are criminals wanted by law enforcement, does it not?
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Old 08-19-2006, 09:24 AM   #4 (permalink)
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no doubt, but I believe that the keyword is 'fugitives', not 'undocumented'. Fugitives implies that they are criminals wanted by law enforcement, does it not?
Yes, it does. This whole article makes me wonder if that is their attitude
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(said the Arellano case carries "no more priority than any of the other 500,000 fugitives nationally.")
Then why go after the "fugitives at all.

I do however agree with a church being sanctuary. They always have been and should always be.

As much as I believe criminals (and yes illegal aliens are criminals) should be brought to justice, but had they stormed the church that would be a far worse crime.
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Old 08-19-2006, 09:26 AM   #5 (permalink)
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.........But on Friday, a government official close to the case said immigration agents have decided against entering the church to remove Arellano.

The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because it is against ICE policy to discuss operational matters, said the Arellano case carries "no more priority than any of the other 500,000 fugitives nationally."

I know you all think i'm paranoid, but doesn't that number strike anyone else as way too high to feel comfortable about?
Well.......no, it isn't "way too high to feel comfortable about"....
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http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/press/p04pr.htm
...... As of December 31, 2004, there were 2,267,787 people behind bars in the United States, of which 1,421,911 were held in federal and state prisons (not including the 74,378 state and federal inmates incarcerated in local jails), 713,990 in local jails, 102,338 in juvenile facilities, 15,757 in U.S. Territory prisons, 9,788 in Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement facilities, 2,177 in military prisons and 1,826 in Indian country jails (as of June 30, 2003).

The Federal Bureau of Prisons operated the largest prison system at year-end 2004 (180,328 inmates), followed by Texas (168,105), California (166,556), Florida (85,533), and New York (63,751).

Ten states reported population increases of at least 5 percent during 2004. Minnesota led the nation with 11.4 percent growth, followed by Idaho (up 11.1 percent) and Georgia (up 8.3 percent). Eleven states experienced declines, led by Alabama (down 7.3 percent), followed by Rhode Island (down 2.8 percent) and New York (down 2.2 percent).

The nation's incarceration rate rose from 411 sentenced inmates per 100,000 U.S. residents in 1995 to 486 inmates per 100,000 at the end of last year - an 18 percent increase. (A "sentenced" prisoner is an inmate serving a sentence of more than a year.)

The states with the highest incarceration rates in 2004 were Louisiana (816 sentenced prisoners per 100,000 state residents), Texas (694), Mississippi (669), Oklahoma (649) and Georgia (574). The states with the lowest incarceration rates were Maine (148 sentenced inmates per 100,000 state residents), Minnesota (171), Rhode Island (175), New Hampshire (187) and North Dakota (195)..........
....it seems like it's "in line" with all of our other numbers, and there is nothing wrong with that.

We've spent billions.....and ramped the effort up, beginning five years ago, to find a 6' 4" kidney patient who is "on the run"....with five wives and sixteen kids. We put a $25 million reward, and a $2 million ALPA reward, on top of that, on this guy's head....and to date, no luck. So, we'll continue to chase down our #1 prority, and then work our way down the list.

IMO, we're running a "tight ship", domestically. Louisiana is in the lead, but New York, considering that it is nearly half the size of Texas, has some pretty pathetic numbers. We'll get 'em.....rest assured !

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Old 08-20-2006, 12:43 PM   #6 (permalink)
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My question in the matter is why the same attitude didn't prevail at Waco, or Ruby Ridge, or with Elian Gonzalez.

The answer would seem to be that Janet Reno had way too much testosterone.
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