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filtherton 02-04-2006 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Marvelous Marv
Maintaining morale is one of the most important jobs of any military leader.

Where does actually having a post invasion plan, or supplying and adequate number of troops to do the job come into maintaining morale?



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If only everyone subscribed to that general philosophy.
Yeah, fuck everyone and their stupid uninformed opinions that aren't like my, correct, informed opinions.

shakran 02-04-2006 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimellow
How can you be sure you are interpreting the cartoon correctly? Is there only one interpretation that is "right"?

To me, the cartoon is showing a doctor, in this case Rumsfield, making glib of the soldiers injuries and sacrifices.


Sorry, but you're wrong. There's no wiggle room here, you're just simply wrong. Look at the chart. It doesn't say "Soldier" it says "US Army." Editorial cartoon people are usually used to represent something or some concept. The cartoonist will label it so you know what it represents. The next time you see a cartoon with an elephant squashing a donkey, you would do well not to immediately start contacting animal rights groups to complain.

The picture of the wounded soldier is labelled US Army because it is representative of the US Army. Not a soldier. It is saying the US Army is horribly wounded and not in good enough condition for the task it has been set with.

Willravel 02-04-2006 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Halx
Why oh why are you getting so worked up over someone's opinion? WHY?!!?

Personally, I'm kinda frustrated that so many are being hurt or killed for oil and for the sake of campaign contributors making an extra billion. Like I said above, a good friend of mine, someone I've known almost all my life, is in a hospital right now with only one leg. It really hits home for me because I am an anti-war perosn that comes from a military family. This alone is horrible beyond words, let alone the terrible losses of Iraqi civilians over the last decade. Bewteen embargos, daily bombing runs, and invasion and occupation, the Iraqi people have had a terrible time.

And now these gnerals and admirals, who are charged with the defense of the US (which includes our soldiers), and writing letters because either they don't understand political cartoons or they want to defend Donald Rumsfled. :( It's all a bit much to just sit around and say nothing, speaking for myself.

Dyze 02-04-2006 09:12 AM

Ha. Ha. Thatīs one funny satire there. HAHAHAHA!

Poppinjay 02-04-2006 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by willravel

And now these gnerals and admirals, who are charged with the defense of the US (which includes our soldiers), and writing letters because either they don't understand political cartoons or they want to defend Donald Rumsfled. :( It's all a bit much to just sit around and say nothing, speaking for myself.

The Verbatim section of the lastest issue of Time is instructive, and at least helps me believe that the generals aren't interested in defending Rumsfeld.

"Anyone with an ounce of sense would see that it's the opposite" - Rumsfeld on the charge that the troops are over-stretched.

The next day:

"The forces are stretched, I don't think there's any question to that." - General George Casey, commander of US forces in Iraq.

Willravel 02-04-2006 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Poppinjay
The Verbatim section of the lastest issue of Time is instructive, and at least helps me believe that the generals aren't interested in defending Rumsfeld.

"Anyone with an ounce of sense would see that it's the opposite" - Rumsfeld on the charge that the troops are over-stretched.

The next day:

"The forces are stretched, I don't think there's any question to that." - General George Casey, commander of US forces in Iraq.

Oh, General George Casey is an excelent military commander. I suspect he is the buffer between the ignorance from above and the innocence from below. He keep the idiots in the white house happy, but he does his best to protect the troops. I've never heard a bad word about him. Not all generals are ignorant, that's for sure.

The fact remains, either the generals and admirals that signed that letter are ignorant or they are covering for Rummy. THOSE military leaders are the ones that piss me off. It's the same deal with King George the Dubeyuh; he's either monumentally stupid, or he is extreemly corrupt. Neither choice is all that favorable.

Marvelous Marv 02-05-2006 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimellow
I would think it would help the morale of the troops greatly to see their leaders defending them and the war they are fighting for, by opposing cartoons in mass media that could be considered in poor taste, even mocking their efforts and resulting injuries.

And you would be right, but good luck convincing military-haters of that.

pan6467 02-05-2006 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Halx
Why oh why are you getting so worked up over someone's opinion? WHY?!!?

Because everyone wants to believe their opinion is the right one and that those who oppose may threaten those beliefs.

That's why logical debates 99.9% of the time breakdown into fights, threats, insults and so on. And it's not so much a conscious decision, I think it is more a defense mechanism so that one does not have to re-evaluate their beliefs and what they have believed.

And then there are those that may feel the same way personally, but play devil's advocate on here to see how others may defend their same belief systems.

The human psyche and the defense mechanisms each individual uses should never be underestimated.

smooth 02-07-2006 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill O'Rights
Tweeeeet!
Flag on the play.
Who is going back to war...missing limbs? They may believe in the war. Hell, I'll even go so far as to say that they received excellent care from the VA (wouldn't happen in Omaha, but I'll bite). But noone, that is missing a limb(s), is going back to war. If they are, then our military is stretched far thinner than I ever imagined.

I'm still laughing over this response :D


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