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Ustwo 02-22-2004 12:18 PM

So are you happy?
 
Are you happy with your life? Perhaps this is the most important question of all, that only you can answer.

For me I'd have to say yes, I'm happy.

CSflim 02-22-2004 01:36 PM

I am as happy as I can be. I do my best to be positive, but it is very difficult given all of the highly negative things that exist around us.

Being happy isn't easy...but I do my best!

Lebell 02-22-2004 01:53 PM

In the end, yes.

ARTelevision 02-22-2004 04:36 PM

totally man.
I don't see any sensible alternative either.

I've always thought it was suspiciously self-serving not to be...

WarWagon 02-22-2004 06:00 PM

No, I am not. Hopefully some positive change will come about. As of right now, it seems that I'm doing far too much to please others, rather than doing what will make me happy.

stuyguy24 02-22-2004 06:21 PM

Yes I am. Thanks for asking. :)

filtherton 02-22-2004 06:30 PM

I'm okay. Things could be better, they could always be worse. That being said it has been a long time since i've had one of those moments where i felt that everything was truly right in the world. That's probably more a matter of choice than anything else though.

prosequence 02-22-2004 06:32 PM

Yes, but not with some others.

sexymama 02-22-2004 08:15 PM

Absolutely yes! I love life -- even the hard times as that is the time I'm growing. But the memorable/fun times are best of all.

Anomaly_ 02-22-2004 08:29 PM

Nope, not at all. I only have myself to blame though.

KellyC 02-22-2004 09:43 PM

Not really happy yet...I'm sastisfied with my life though. I wish to find happiness real soon :D

iamnormal 02-22-2004 10:00 PM

There is no such thing.

Mephex 02-22-2004 10:04 PM

I am at a point in my life where I am on autopilot, waiting for the next great thing to take me away.

There isn't anything in my life that enables me to be truly happy right now. That's really all there is to it.

I mean, should I decide to lower my standards of life, I could be happy, but I feel I deserve more, and I refuse to accept the fact that what I am currently dealing with, is what I have been "dealt".

The_wall 02-23-2004 10:07 AM

As of right now I'm not. I'm a lonely person, however its my fault I'm not happy.

Mephex 02-23-2004 10:45 AM

Heh, what a depressing thread. Bleeeeeeeah.

mr sticky 02-23-2004 02:01 PM

I am, but I have a tendency to find happiness in the small things. Usually the large events that we normally think would ensure happiness, just add a different form of misery.

teflonian 02-23-2004 02:05 PM

I think Art and mr. sticky have something there... Though I am not a full time practicer of their beliefs quite yet... I am unsatisfied with my career, but very happy with most other parts of my life. Hopefully I can fully answer yes to this question soon...

Mantus 02-23-2004 04:07 PM

One can never have a happy life. It is the nature of happiness to always be beside sorrow. One can’t exist without the other therefore in order to experience happiness one must first experience a proportional amount of grief.

I believe that those who claim to have happy lives are are simply using selective memory or lying.

ARTelevision 02-23-2004 04:22 PM

No. I just have standards for the concept "personal happiness" that differ from yours.

Lebell 02-23-2004 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mantus
One can never have a happy life. It is the nature of happiness to always be beside sorrow. One can’t exist without the other therefore in order to experience happiness one must first experience a proportional amount of grief.

I believe that those who claim to have happy lives are are simply using selective memory or lying.

Or perhaps because you are not happy, you cannot stand the thought that someone else is, and therefore are trying to rationalize it away.

filtherton 02-23-2004 05:42 PM

I'm fairly certain that being happy is a choice. It just depends on whether you choose a perspective that allows you to be happy in the face of suffering or a perspective that forces you to suffer regardless of circumstances.

Mantus 02-23-2004 05:42 PM

I never said I wasn’t happy. I am happy, at the moment for example though yesterday was a rather depressing day for me. If I get laid on Wednesday as I hope too then ill be in an even better mood, though I will feel worse the next day because of my mixed feelings towards this awkward relationships, so perhaps ill just go and hang out with my friends instead which will make me happy.

That’s just the way things are. You can’t escape grief, without it there would be no joy. If everything made you happy the novelty of the feeling would soon wear off and you would become bored with it. Why do you think great artists and unimaginably rich people suffer from bouts of depression? There is no such thing as permanent happiness. There is no such thing as a mostly happy life.

Ustwo 02-23-2004 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mantus
One can never have a happy life. It is the nature of happiness to always be beside sorrow. One can’t exist without the other therefore in order to experience happiness one must first experience a proportional amount of grief.

I believe that those who claim to have happy lives are are simply using selective memory or lying.

Suddenly....feel.urge....to.wear....all.black.
(Note my Will Shattner cadence)

Perhaps you are just oversensative. My life hasn't been all Roses, but I'm still happy. I remember all the pain but pain is fleeting.

wilbjammin 02-23-2004 05:49 PM

Sounds like Mantus is talking about something we might relate to as the Greek tragic mode of existence. Living in the tension between the Dionysian and the Apollonian.

Mantus 02-23-2004 09:06 PM

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Originally posted by Ustwo
I remember all the pain but pain is fleeting.
So is the happiness.

Why do you people find this prospect troublesome? If happiness was easy to attain and keep then it would have no value.

Ustwo 02-23-2004 09:25 PM

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Originally posted by Mantus
Why do you people find this prospect troublesome? If happiness was easy to attain and keep then it would have no value.
You could say the same thing about air, and it doesn't make air any less needed to be healthy.

Happiness has no value beyond the owner. I can't give you my happiness and you being happy doesn't make my happy supply worth less.

Its not supply and demand, it just is, and if you need pain to know when you should be happy thats kinda sad. (but I'll manage to stay happy and hope you find it someday too)

Mantus 02-23-2004 10:46 PM

En contraire,

Air is easy to get. When you wake up in the morning do you feel happy at your first conscious inhalation? No. But go snorkeling and stay bellow water for a minute. When you come up air never tasted so sweet. Now trying having an astma attack. What euphoria you feel when the lungs are clear at last and you are able to take a deep breath.

The two example of happiness mentioned above would have never happened if air did not become scarce. The person had to suffer in order to be happy. This happiness won’t last though. Air becomes a common substance once again and the novelty quickly wears off.

Further more.

You can give happiness. Haven’t you ever been happy for some one? Haven’t you ever been around a perky person and picked up their mood?

Now you say that you being happy doesn’t make my happiness worthless. That is wrong as well. Happiness may be just a byproduct but so is oxigen. Every human on this planet wants it and will do anything to make it happen. If you are happy I will envy you, I will want whatever it is that makes you happy and vice versa. If I am happy with my new car and find out that you have a better car my happiness will be diminished, because the value of the object which made me happy is lowered in my mind. If I am dating a girl and meet a more beautiful girl my happiness in the first relationship will diminish, this is why people break up, because they find some one better that will give them more happiness.

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Its not supply and demand, it just is, and if you need pain to know when you should be happy that’s kinda sad.
Let me ask you this: what was that last thing that made you happy that came without a price?

Any object you have you have only gave you happiness because you didn’t have it before. Most of those object you had to work hard for.

You lover had to be won. The relationship has to be sustained and allot of commitment has to be put into it. Further more you are always in fear of loosing the one you love.

A warm summer day is only made beautiful because one has to work in the office for 40 hours a week.

A walk bearfoot on the beech is wonderful because the weather wont permit it for the other half of the year.

A quiet morning is only blissful because you have to be driving though rush hour in an hour.

The first hot summer day brightens your mood because you just had to live though a bitter cold winter.

The first big snowfall make you giddy because you just had to live though a hot summer.

Everything comes at a price, the price is not always obvious but it’s always there. If happiness were as easy to get as air then you would not even know you had it. Like air and everything else the only way we can see the value of it is by feeling the lack of it.

CinnamonGirl 02-23-2004 11:50 PM

At the moment? No, I'm definitely not...but, changes are coming up, and I intend to make the best of them.

ARTelevision 02-24-2004 01:07 AM

Mantus, how is it that you are convinced you can tell someone else what is true for them?

We're talking about a subjective state here - and you're discussing it objectively.

Lebell 02-24-2004 01:14 AM

Perhaps he is being a buddhist: Life is suffering and all that.

Ustwo 02-24-2004 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mantus
En contraire,

Air is easy to get. When you wake up in the morning do you feel happy at your first conscious inhalation? No. But go snorkeling and stay bellow water for a minute. When you come up air never tasted so sweet. Now trying having an astma attack. What euphoria you feel when the lungs are clear at last and you are able to take a deep breath.
Having come close to drowning twice I know that feeling quite well but its really unrelated. I was very relieved to be back on dry land both times, and quite happy to be alive, but all it did was make me appreciate the air (and life) more, it did not change it.

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The two example of happiness mentioned above would have never happened if air did not become scarce. The person had to suffer in order to be happy. This happiness won’t last though. Air becomes a common substance once again and the novelty quickly wears off.
Suffering only makes you appreciate it more, and remind you of why you should be happy, but it does not bring happiness in itself.

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You can give happiness. Haven’t you ever been happy for some one? Haven’t you ever been around a perky person and picked up their mood?
No, I can't give you MY happiness. Maybe I can make someone happy, and in fact I do so almost every day in my work, but again its not a commodity. If I am happy, I can't transfer it directly to you. Maybe I can make you happy, but I could do the same even if I were unhappy by saying the same things.

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Now you say that you being happy doesn’t make my happiness worthless. That is wrong as well. Happiness may be just a byproduct but so is oxigen. Every human on this planet wants it and will do anything to make it happen. If you are happy I will envy you, I will want whatever it is that makes you happy and vice versa. If I am happy with my new car and find out that you have a better car my happiness will be diminished, because the value of the object which made me happy is lowered in my mind. If I am dating a girl and meet a more beautiful girl my happiness in the first relationship will diminish, this is why people break up, because they find some one better that will give them more happiness.
Now this is shallow and petty. If you judge your happiness based on what others have you will always be miserable. Even if you reach great heights of wealth and power you will still be miserable. You will be filled with envy first at those richer and who have 'more' then you, and then at those who should be miserable by your definition but are somehow happier then you. Jealousy is a distructive emotion in the long run.

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Let me ask you this: what was that last thing that made you happy that came without a price?
First thing? Who knows, I was most likely soiling my diapers still, smiling at my mother from a bassenet. Currently I'd say my wife is the best example and before someone says something about women being expensive, I'd say you haven't found a good relationship yet. But even if she were out of the picture the saddness over losing her would be temperary, and I could still be happy again.

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Any object you have you have only gave you happiness because you didn’t have it before. Most of those object you had to work hard for.
Another thing that brings me a bit of joy is fishing. I love to fish. Fishing equpment does cost money I know, but its pretty minor. Monetary value alone doesn't bring happiness, otherwise I'd just love April 15th.

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You lover had to be won. The relationship has to be sustained and allot of commitment has to be put into it. Further more you are always in fear of loosing the one you love.
True but also false. Winning my wife wasn't work, it was fun, and sustaining my relationship isn't a chore. Fear of loss is always there, but once you come to accept your mortality, it too can be beared.

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A warm summer day is only made beautiful because one has to work in the office for 40 hours a week.
No, it will always be beautiful. Some may not recognize it, but such is their loss.

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A walk bearfoot on the beech is wonderful because the weather wont permit it for the other half of the year.
The same as above. Also you should go to Hawaii.

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A quiet morning is only blissful because you have to be driving though rush hour in an hour.
Nope again sorry.

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The first hot summer day brightens your mood because you just had to live though a bitter cold winter.
It again might make you appreciated it more, but its still a nice day all by itself.

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The first big snowfall make you giddy because you just had to live though a hot summer.
Nah, snow is fun.

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Everything comes at a price, the price is not always obvious but it’s always there. If happiness were as easy to get as air then you would not even know you had it. Like air and everything else the only way we can see the value of it is by feeling the lack of it.
This reminds me of the villian at the end of some movie saying 'You need me! What is good without evil?'. This is of course a false argument. While having contrast will help you define something, lack of contrast doesn't diminish. Lets pretend everyone was happy. We would not be having this debate since there would be no need to. Happiness would just be what we are, but it doesn't diminish the happiness. I couldn't look at someone and think how lucky I was to be happy while that poor slob of miserable, but that wouldn't make me any less happy. I wouldn't become unhappy because there was no one less happy then me.

tecoyah 02-24-2004 11:09 AM

True happiness is a state of mind, and an understanding of the reasons for adversity. I am happy with my life. If only because I know this is where I need to be.

thingstodo 02-25-2004 05:52 PM

Totally happy. I have been blessed with opportunities and sometimes the good sense to recognize them. This has all lead to having far more experiences and things than I ever would have thought possible. And the funny thing is that I appreciate everything more each day, even though I am getting older.

twilightfoix 02-25-2004 07:11 PM

when you've been arrested in the past 6 days, happiness isn't close in sight. but i gotta say that i was very happy until i was arrested, which is why i was arrested for in the first place. but i'll be back there soon, real soon.

Mantus 02-26-2004 08:56 PM

Well I finally came up with the appropriate response after all this time:

Whatever makes you happy. After all that is what is important, if what works for you does the trick then this is not the thread to push my ideas on you.

Perhaps I will make a thread on the concept of happiness later on and we can discuss it then.

Yakk 02-28-2004 12:56 PM

Remember, the most important part is to keep your endorphin levels high.

If reality is a viel of tears, simply close your eyes and smile.

Shpoop 02-28-2004 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mantus
One can never have a happy life. It is the nature of happiness to always be beside sorrow. One can’t exist without the other therefore in order to experience happiness one must first experience a proportional amount of grief.

I believe that those who claim to have happy lives are are simply using selective memory or lying.

Am I the only one who sees the inherent contradiction here? You say that one must experience grief before they can experience happiness. Then you say that anyone who claims to be happy is using selective memory? What? If they were to use selective memory, they would block out the bad memories (the grief), which would disable them from being happy. That being said, i disagree. I am, by most of your standards, a kid...still in high school, still mooching off of his parents. I probably been through alot less grief that a lot of people here, but I am happy. Perhaps getting over hard times in the future will eventually make me happier than I am now, but I am happy. Kind of a "one step backwards, two steps forwards" type of thing, I guess.


Wow that was a long post

Mantus 02-29-2004 11:44 AM

You are right, Shpoop that is a contradiction.

Grothendieck 03-05-2004 12:58 PM

It's getting better all the ti-i-ime.

http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip...better-ly.html

Tholo 03-05-2004 11:15 PM

yes.


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