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jumpingbeans · 01-10-2004, 06:18 AM

Did we evolve here or end up here? Think about it, a lot can be possible over a million years, look at the 20th century. In a span of 100 years we accomplished SOOOOO much.

tecoyah · 01-10-2004, 08:00 AM

If you were born in Ohio, but moved to California when you were Three months old. Would you, at age 20, consider yourself to be from Ohio? All evidence suggests we have been here a very long time, and if we were indeed transplanted, or if we migrated here, we were a completely different entity when we moved.
I would say at this point we are native Terran, But ask me again in3010 and I will probably say "Native Martian" or something to that effect.

jumpingbeans · 01-10-2004, 09:32 AM

No question we have been here a long time. I have brought this up before and I have had some interesting replies ( not in this forum ). One reply I get a lot is, if we were dropped off at some point why are we more technically advanced?...My answer to that is....what if we dropped some poeple off on Mars with nothing but shelter food and basic knowledge of farming & survival skills. ( yes you cannot live on Mars without a suit, but assume you could). The people there would "Know" what a computer, microwave, car, plane, & nuclear power was but, without tools and the specific knowledge they could not produce it. They would concentrate on the present and how to stay alive. Now fast forward only 200 yrs and a few generations and whala....stories of what was once first hand knowledge is now Myth......add another 100 yrs and those stories get diluted even more. Until 5000 years later they expierence a 100 year leap in knowledge and you have.........well, what we have..........!!!

Mantus · 01-10-2004, 10:38 AM

Well I suppose the evidence that we evolved on this earth comes from all the fauna. It is clear that animals inhabited this planet for billions of years. Humans are very similar to other mammals on this planet. We share characteristics such as skeletal structure, organs, and tissues. We share 99% of our genes with chimpanzees and baboons; mice share around 95% of our genes. Hence we can show that humans are a part of the animal life on earth.

Humans are mammals, yet reptiles share many characteristics with mammals including genetics and body structure. Further more there are 200 million old fossils of mammal-like reptiles that are believed to be the evolutionary link between the two classes. Even fish and non-vertebrate animal share certain similarities in organs, genes and cell structures. A single celled organism has DNA and other characteristics that are very similar to the cells that animals are composed off.

While fossil evidence that all species came from the same ancestor dwindles as we go backwards though time, by seeing similarities between all life on earth we can infer that they all share a common design and hence a common ancestor.

It is always possible that life did not originate on earth. Such a seeding could be an accident or a conscious act. I believe it is quite likelly that we are the result of whatever began life on earth in the first place.

Mantus · 01-10-2004, 10:39 AM

oops double post

jumpingbeans · 01-13-2004, 08:35 AM

This is a good point. I do not know if it the culture that we have grown up in or the mind just dreaming but for some reason, I have always felt that something is ......well just not what we think to be our past....Most data supports us originating here and why not. Do I belive that we are a lucky species to gain "intellegence" & "Consciousness"...yes but why are we the exception? There are soo many unaswered questions from life to artifacts that just seem not to fit.
Not to sound like a whack job about all of this. I do not belive all the abduction stories or "little green men" but I just think there is more to our past then what we know "or are being lead to believe"

Mantus · 01-13-2004, 09:49 AM

I think you give humans way too much credit. Consciousness is not some mystical property. Examine a dog, it has emotions, communicates, has a memory, dreams, problem solves and is self-aware. In all ways a dog has a lesser human mind. A dog is certainly conscious, though at a much lower level then a human being. Some would say that humans are the only animals that are aware of our consciousness. I have to admit that this is most likely true but I do not believe it to be the major leap that most people take it to be.

I don’t think that there is a fine dividing line between us and them (humans and all the other animals). I believe that most animals are at various stages of having a mind equal to a human being.

If you have doubts I encourage you to read about the topic, you will find allot of very interesting material about the human animal as well as all the others.

PS. I am not a vegetarian. Moo-moo’s are yummy.

01-13-2004, 11:54 AM

all beings- all of life that is on this earth is not just on this earth- and not just here and then will someday stop existing. It is our temporary- our illusional, physical home, yes- pit stop? You can look at it that way- only this pit stop you can choose to walk out of with much change and valuable messages.

jumpingbeans · 01-13-2004, 12:21 PM

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Originally posted by Mantus
I think you give humans way too much credit. Consciousness is not some mystical property. Examine a dog, it has emotions, communicates, has a memory, dreams, problem solves and is self-aware. In all ways a dog has a lesser human mind. A dog is certainly conscious, though at a much lower level then a human being. Some would say that humans are the only animals that are aware of our consciousness.

Yes..I agree with that....I should have clarified better.....! Here is another twist........if we as humans have been here for a long time then why are there not different species of us...( not monkeys )? Look at Dogs, monkeys, whales ect...........they all have variances..why not us...?
If carbon based life follows a certain evolutionary path then of course we will have many similarities with other animals ( DNA ). Hiding the fact that we may have evolved somewhere else in a similar environment or that most life elsewhere ( not discovered ) is carbon based.

Mantus · 01-13-2004, 01:07 PM

Oh that’s easy, you see we are the variance. Darwin’s theory of evolution did not state that humans evolved from apes. It states that humans and apes likely share the same ancestors. Therefore humans are a variance of that ancestor and guerillas are another variance, and chimpanzees are yet another.

While humans are generally the same there are some minor variations. We have different skin tones, different facial features as well as genetic variance in height, build and muscle structure. There are many different looking humans on this earth, but the one thing we have in common is our highly developed minds.

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we may have evolved somewhere else in a similar environment or that most life elsewhere

Absolutely. One of our genetic ancestors could have been picked and then genetically modified into our current form, or at least genetically pushed to evolved in our direction. Or we could have been transplanted from another planet with very similar fauna.

01-10-2004, 06:18 AM	#1 (permalink)
jumpingbeans Tilted	Is earth our true home or a pit stop? Did we evolve here or end up here? Think about it, a lot can be possible over a million years, look at the 20th century. In a span of 100 years we accomplished SOOOOO much. __________________ USA, USA,USA, USA,USA, USA,USA, USA,USA, USA,USA, USA,USA, USA,USA, USA,USA, USA,USA, USA,USA, USA,USA, USA,USA, USA,

01-10-2004, 08:00 AM	#2 (permalink)
tecoyah Illusionary	If you were born in Ohio, but moved to California when you were Three months old. Would you, at age 20, consider yourself to be from Ohio? All evidence suggests we have been here a very long time, and if we were indeed transplanted, or if we migrated here, we were a completely different entity when we moved. I would say at this point we are native Terran, But ask me again in3010 and I will probably say "Native Martian" or something to that effect. __________________ Holding onto anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned. - Buddha

01-10-2004, 09:32 AM	#3 (permalink)
jumpingbeans Tilted	No question we have been here a long time. I have brought this up before and I have had some interesting replies ( not in this forum ). One reply I get a lot is, if we were dropped off at some point why are we more technically advanced?...My answer to that is....what if we dropped some poeple off on Mars with nothing but shelter food and basic knowledge of farming & survival skills. ( yes you cannot live on Mars without a suit, but assume you could). The people there would "Know" what a computer, microwave, car, plane, & nuclear power was but, without tools and the specific knowledge they could not produce it. They would concentrate on the present and how to stay alive. Now fast forward only 200 yrs and a few generations and whala....stories of what was once first hand knowledge is now Myth......add another 100 yrs and those stories get diluted even more. Until 5000 years later they expierence a 100 year leap in knowledge and you have.........well, what we have..........!!! __________________ USA, USA,USA, USA,USA, USA,USA, USA,USA, USA,USA, USA,USA, USA,USA, USA,USA, USA,USA, USA,USA, USA,USA, USA,USA, USA, Last edited by jumpingbeans; 01-10-2004 at 09:34 AM..

01-10-2004, 10:38 AM	#4 (permalink)
Mantus lascivious	Well I suppose the evidence that we evolved on this earth comes from all the fauna. It is clear that animals inhabited this planet for billions of years. Humans are very similar to other mammals on this planet. We share characteristics such as skeletal structure, organs, and tissues. We share 99% of our genes with chimpanzees and baboons; mice share around 95% of our genes. Hence we can show that humans are a part of the animal life on earth. Humans are mammals, yet reptiles share many characteristics with mammals including genetics and body structure. Further more there are 200 million old fossils of mammal-like reptiles that are believed to be the evolutionary link between the two classes. Even fish and non-vertebrate animal share certain similarities in organs, genes and cell structures. A single celled organism has DNA and other characteristics that are very similar to the cells that animals are composed off. While fossil evidence that all species came from the same ancestor dwindles as we go backwards though time, by seeing similarities between all life on earth we can infer that they all share a common design and hence a common ancestor. It is always possible that life did not originate on earth. Such a seeding could be an accident or a conscious act. I believe it is quite likelly that we are the result of whatever began life on earth in the first place. Last edited by Mantus; 01-10-2004 at 10:40 AM..

01-13-2004, 08:35 AM	#6 (permalink)
jumpingbeans Tilted	This is a good point. I do not know if it the culture that we have grown up in or the mind just dreaming but for some reason, I have always felt that something is ......well just not what we think to be our past....Most data supports us originating here and why not. Do I belive that we are a lucky species to gain "intellegence" & "Consciousness"...yes but why are we the exception? There are soo many unaswered questions from life to artifacts that just seem not to fit. Not to sound like a whack job about all of this. I do not belive all the abduction stories or "little green men" but I just think there is more to our past then what we know "or are being lead to believe" __________________ USA, USA,USA, USA,USA, USA,USA, USA,USA, USA,USA, USA,USA, USA,USA, USA,USA, USA,USA, USA,USA, USA,USA, USA,USA, USA,

01-10-2004, 10:39 AM	#5 (permalink)
Mantus lascivious	oops double post

01-13-2004, 09:49 AM	#7 (permalink)
Mantus lascivious	I think you give humans way too much credit. Consciousness is not some mystical property. Examine a dog, it has emotions, communicates, has a memory, dreams, problem solves and is self-aware. In all ways a dog has a lesser human mind. A dog is certainly conscious, though at a much lower level then a human being. Some would say that humans are the only animals that are aware of our consciousness. I have to admit that this is most likely true but I do not believe it to be the major leap that most people take it to be. I don’t think that there is a fine dividing line between us and them (humans and all the other animals). I believe that most animals are at various stages of having a mind equal to a human being. If you have doubts I encourage you to read about the topic, you will find allot of very interesting material about the human animal as well as all the others. PS. I am not a vegetarian. Moo-moo’s are yummy.

01-13-2004, 11:54 AM	#8 (permalink)
:::OshnSoul::: Guest	all beings- all of life that is on this earth is not just on this earth- and not just here and then will someday stop existing. It is our temporary- our illusional, physical home, yes- pit stop? You can look at it that way- only this pit stop you can choose to walk out of with much change and valuable messages.