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pai mei · 07-16-2010, 10:28 AM

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Praise, flattery, exaggerated manners and find high-sounding words were not part of Lakota politeness. Excessive manners were put down as insincere, and the constant talker was considered rude and thoughtless. Conversation was never begun at once, or in a hurried manner. No one was quick with a question, no matter how important, and no one was pressed for an answer. A pause giving time for thought was the truly courteous way of beginning and conducting a conversation.

--Chief Luther Standing Bear

Why "no matter how important" - nobody was in a hurry ? Because they knew they were mortal. "Nothing matters" So - instead of acting like us (savages, afraid of everything, hiding from the fact that one day we will die, inferior - because we live in our box and we can't "grow up" in a box) - they acted - like "civilized" people. The same thing we can say about the Japanese and their behavior. "Form" before "content" ? The thing is, their "form" was not false. It was - the real exterior of the content. They were polite - because that's how they were. Not because they lied.

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REMARKS CONCERNING THE SAVAGES OF NORTH-AMERICA

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The politeness of these savages in conversation is indeed carried to excess, since it does not permit them to contradict or deny the Truth of what is asserted in their Presence. By this means they indeed avoid Disputes, but then it becomes difficult to know their Minds, or what Impression you make upon them.

- it's almost like this quote is about the Japanese.

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Jinn · 07-16-2010, 10:37 AM

Have you ever have a conversation with a real person, you know, in real life?

Like where they say something coherent, maybe even ask you what you think?

And then they respond, and you, hearing something you agree/disagree/understand in their response, return in kind?

The reason we can't "discuss" this random spewing of shit is that it does not make sense. It does not pose a question, does not even a demonstrate a belief that might be challenged. It's a random quote from a Native Ameican and a couple links, interspersed with the type of english sentences that come out of someone high on mescaline. I seriously cannot make heads or tails of what you're saying. Is it about Native Americans? Japanese people? They don't talk much?

The_Jazz · 07-16-2010, 10:39 AM

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Jinn Lover - Protector - Teacher Location: Seattle, WA	Have you ever have a conversation with a real person, you know, in real life? Like where they say something coherent, maybe even ask you what you think? And then they respond, and you, hearing something you agree/disagree/understand in their response, return in kind? The reason we can't "discuss" this random spewing of shit is that it does not make sense. It does not pose a question, does not even a demonstrate a belief that might be challenged. It's a random quote from a Native Ameican and a couple links, interspersed with the type of english sentences that come out of someone high on mescaline. I seriously cannot make heads or tails of what you're saying. Is it about Native Americans? Japanese people? They don't talk much? __________________ "I'm typing on a computer of science, which is being sent by science wires to a little science server where you can access it. I'm not typing on a computer of philosophy or religion or whatever other thing you think can be used to understand the universe because they're a poor substitute in the role of understanding the universe which exists independent from ourselves." - Willravel