tecoyah

I am seriously curious if something I noticed is accurate, and would appreciate the honest reply from our membership to verify my observation....if you dont mind.

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Charlatan

Liberalish atheist.

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ShaniFaye

I cant answer your poll because Im religious and conservative on some things and liberal on others

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Coppertop

Not religious, neither conservative nor liberal. I answered "I am not religious...and pay no attentiom to politics" even though it is not exactly accurate. More options would have been nice.

astrahl

Moderate who follows no one religion. If I HAD to classify myself, I would be more Buddhist than anything I suppose.

On some issues:

Abortion: pro-choice
Gun controls: against
Stem cells: pro
Term limits: pro
Religion in school: against
Evolution: no-brainer, pro
Creationism: literally...NO brainer, against
Right to die: pro
Drug legalization: pro
Death Penalty: pro
Media censorship: against
Political correctness: against

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Willravel

Religious liberal, here. Of course I'm not associated with any denomination of christianity, or for that matter a specific political party (maybe loosely associated with libertarian or green, but I do not follow either of their party lines).

maleficent

non-religious uber conservative here...

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StanT

Not religious and all over the place on an issue by issue basis.

I'd consider myself moderate, but I'm probably liberal by this board's standards.

Bill O'Rights

Extremely non-religious moderate. Although...if pressed...the scales would probably tip slightly to the left. Very slightly.

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FoolThemAll

Not-very-religious heretical Catholic. More conservative than liberal.

Abortion: anti-choice
Gun controls: anti
Fetal Stem cells: anti
Term limits: pro
Religion in school: anti, unless comparative class or in private school
Evolution: pro
Creationism: against classification as science
Right to die: undecided
Drug legalization: pro
Death Penalty: anti
Gay rights: pro
Hate Crime legislation: anti
Foreign Policy: largely neocon
Civil liberties: liberal
Scooby Doo: worst show ever. scientific Fact.

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Poppinjay

Religious and left of center.

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feelgood

Abortion: pro
Gun controls: pro
Stem cells: pro
Term limits: pro
Religion in school: against
Evolution: pro
Creationism: against
Right to die: pro
Drug legalization: pro
Death Penalty: against
Media censorship: against
Political correctness: against

Ain't religious and don't give a shit about politics

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absorbentishe

I am who I am. Religious, ultra conservative.

raeanna74

This is me as well.

There are some subjects on which I am conservative and won't budge on. Other subjects on which I'm extremely liberal and any pure conservative would gasp at my opinion. I think I'm conservative when it comes to subjects concerning children (and fetuses) and more liberal when it comes to lifestyle choices (these include sex partners, gay marriage, alcohol, some drugs, and smoking). Just don't push YOUR choices on me and I won't push MINE on you. When it comes to kids, they can't choose how they live so you better be careful how you treat them.

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MexicanOnABike

completely agree with everything. what does that make us? Buddhist ? interesting!

777

The way I see it, I leave religion to the religious, and voting to the voters. I see that they're there, and such things are important to a whole lot of people. In the end, they don't quite fit with me.

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fresnelly

I'm religious in the sense that I am a church (United) member and attend occasionally, but I value its place more as a community centre than as a dogmatic guiding institution. As such it doesn't really effect my views on politics. I would be considered liberal, especially by U.S. standards.

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connyosis

Not religious liberal here, and as raenna put it: Don't push your choices on me and I won't push mine on you.

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xepherys

I don't really fall into anything there... I'm a Libertarian spiritualist (though not really religious so to speak).

The_Jazz

Not religious at all really - I pretty much don't care to be honest.

I'm more of a centerist than anything else, but these days that puts me on the left of most issues with the skewing of the spectrum by the far right.

Daniel_

I am an atheist, and in US terms I am not a liberal, but in British terms I am.

There are many issues that don't match in a European Liberals views to an American Liberal's.

It's hard to explain, but I believe in Freedm of Choice, Freedom of Expression, and Support for the Poor and Sick.

The political movement that has most in common with my possition is the Fabians - almost socialist, but not in favour of collective ownership.

I believe that we all have rights (free expression etc) but with them comes a heavy burden of responsibilities (just because I CAN say that i think your {insert sacred cow of choice} is a cnut-bucket, doesn't mean that I SHOULD say it).

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Coppertop

Extremely non-religious? Isn't a whole lot of nothing... nothing? Or do you mean more anti-religious?

cyrnel

Religious? I won't say there isn't some rainbow-colored dude out there directing the tangling of my power cords and blooming of my flowers, but he/she/it hasn't yet deigned to leave a card. No imaginary friends, if that's what you mean. Conservative about things I've learned the hard way but very liberal in others. I do not identify with many polar positions other than knowing the fewer the better.

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Ustwo

My thoughts for these kind of polls to be meaningful is you have to define what is religious.

I have a good friend who is a liberal, and he made a crack about intelligent design, something I don't agree with at all, as a jab at us 'conservatives'.

I pointed out that his own wife believes in palm reading and power crystals. His response was that at least they weren't trying to get it taught in the schools and mine of course was 'yet'.

Now she wouldn't define herself as religious, but I see there being little difference in being a devote catholic or believing in the magical power of crystals and palm reading. Both require faith, and both require you turn off a portion of your brain where logic is processed.

To me both are religious, though only one would define themselves as religious.

I myself am a conservative atheist. I think reguardless, most people on this board are going to swing to the non-religious side, being that this board is not friendly to people who express opinion in terms of religious belief.

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CSflim

Extremely non-religious, somewhat liberal.

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CSflim

I understand that you didn't want to describe what your observation was, lest you biased the poll, but could you share it now? Anyone reading this far down the thread probably has already voted.

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CSflim

I don't want to speak for BOR, but I used the same phrase (before reading the other posts).

But what I meant was that my lack of religion is not just a shoulder-shrugging case of not caring about "that sort of stuff"; I believe that religion is not only false in the claims that it makes, but that religions (all of them) are detrimental to society as a whole, and to the individuals living in said socities.

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SecretMethod70

Significantly religious and significantly liberal. And, btw, Ustwo is right. It makes a difference how you define "religious." I tend to agree with Ustwo's definition, but if you define it by "how often do you go to church/temple" that means an entirely different thing.

Based on the results so far, it seems as though there is no correlation amongst TFP members who frequent Tilted Philosophy between their religiousness and political leanings.

Religious liberal votes/total votes: 7/11 - 64%
Non-Religious liberal votes/total votes: 15/21 - 71%

Perhaps this is best for a different thread (and, tbh, it's more rhetorical than anything because I don't think a worthwhile discussion can really be had on the topic), but how is something like Zen Buddhism detrimental to society? I suppose one could argue that a good Buddhist would be detrimental to capitalism due to the lack of attachment to material things...but I'm not so sure that's a worthwhile argument to be made anyway.

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meembo

My experience is that this board is conservative and non-religious. I'm liberal and religious. I'm Episcopalian! (Gay bishops! Head for the hills!) I get more shit here about the religion than the liberalism, though.

If I could change one thing about this board? A respect for the religious that equals the respect I give to the non-religious among us. Over and over, I hear from people with no faith who seem to "know" that I don't think, that I don't use logic, etc. when it comes to faith, my religion, how I talk to my God. If you don't feel it yourself, why are you qualified to say what I feel is a delusion? What you lack in your life does not disprove what others have. Strange logic indeed.

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roachboy

i answered under the wrong rubric (someone had to, i suppose)
i am not religious in any conventional sense of the term (strangely, i almost agree with ustwo on something--the poll is a bit strange without a definition of the term "religious"---i took it in a narrow sense [are you part of an organized religion] because, well, i just did.)
i consider myself to be on the left politically.
liberal is somewhere in the middle, so far as i am concerned. dont like the term, dont identify in terms of it.

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msh58

i don't think i fit comfortably into any label, religious or political. just said religious liberal.

politically independent though when voting, religiously i'm working on it and its coming back.

tecoyah

My observation was based on comments in another board....pretty much stating it the Right was primarily religious (Christian) and the left was not. I found this to be unfounded, and a generalization based on a vocal minority in the conservative wing of republican supporters. It seems this poll validates my observation, that in reality there is no correlation between Faith and the conservative.

Thank you all for participating.

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snowy

I hear ya. I'm an ELCA (Evangelical Lutheran Church of America) Lutheran (mainline churches FTW!) but when I attend church, I attend the Episcopalian church (SO is coincidentally Episcopalian...I started attending long before I met him). And yes, I'm liberal, and religious!

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Tophat665

You missed "I am neither religious nor non-religious, and I am a political moderate."

On the other hand, since I merely disagree with atheism and assertive agnosticim, and yet positively LOATHE organized religions, one could, if one really wanted to, say that I was, on the balance irreligious (and I would say that the person needs to stop following a church and start following their religion). And, though I am most definitely a moderate, I have seen the center start to recede away to the past, and so I may, from the point of view of some reactionaries, be seen as a liberal.

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Trisk

Not to answer for him, but personally, I thought "religious" referred tothe degree to which you followed a certain faith. For example, some people identify with a religion, but aren't devout followers. They might say "I'm Catholic, but I'm not religious", where someone who goes to prayer services regularly or who really believes in their book of prayer would be more inclined to label themselves as religious.
With that mindset, I thought that "extremely non-religious" meant "I don't identify with any religious group, and I might even be against the idea of organized religion."

That said, although I consider myself Jewish, it doesn't affect my opinions/beliefs on things very much, so I voted not religious and conservative.
I describe myself as right-leaning to people, becuase there are a lot of issues that I'm very liberal on (moral issues, like gay marriage and abortion...many of the things that are associated with religion), but in terms of economics and some other things, I am extremely conservative.

raeanna74

I agree. It's why I don't frequent the philosophy board much. If it's a religiously charged issue I hear too many putdowns of the 'you're stupid, you aren't thinking, you aren't using your brain, etc.' sort. It's annoying and juvinile.

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pan6467

Religious/spiritual liberal.

I believe that the Religious Right are more aggressive, vocal and judgemental in thier views and also in politics. And thus the GOP is more easily labelled because of figureheads such as Falwell and Roberts.

Whereas, the Left religious are more apt to seperate thier religious beliefs form their politics and not to push one into the other, or be as aggressively pushing their religion into political platforms.

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Ustwo

Actually all you have shown is it doesn't matter on TFP

If you look at your numbers, TFP is by no means a reflection of the population as a whole. Your sample size of conservatives wouldn't even be a mote in a statisticians eye.

Don't overcome one generalization with another.

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tecoyah

Excellent point....but it still makes me feel better....heh

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LazyBoy

I, myself, am religious, and would be considered conservative...

-Will

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