zenmaster10665

http://washingtontimes.com/upi-break...2755-6408r.htm

This is all getting a bit strange for me.

If the US Government actually was involved in 9/11 in some way, what would happen to the USA? Would the fabric of our government stay intact? Would our values swing radically to the left?

I dont think we will ever know what truly happened on 9/11, but I ahve to say, I am starting to feel like a conspiracy theorist for the first time in my life...

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pan6467

If proof truly came out that it was our government that caused 9/11.....

well if no proof could pin it to Bush but that it was a "rogue" action taken by a few.... the GOP would blame Clinton.... the Dems would blame Bush and I think we'd have investigations but nothing would happen.... just the "a rogue group did it and the gov't truly knew nothing".

If it could be proven Bush or someone inside Bush's admin had some knowledge of it coming or did it..... I think that would end the GOP as we know it. They would never again (or at least in a lifetime or two) have any power. And the Dems would suffer also, just not to the same degree.

But if it got too close to proving Bush's admin was involved..... I think the investigation would stop and both parties would work to cover it up so that both parties would keep the power.

I think people are so distrusting of government and the parties anyway that it would pretty much destroy our country as we would look for a savior who would probably be worse.

I find that people just thinking that it was possible is scary. Of course our country's nature is such that we are always distrusting of the government in some way.

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Ustwo

Personally I think its about as likely as me turning spontaniously into a woman today.

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zenmaster10665

While surfing, I came across this:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0505/S00295.htm

Some more good information debunking the 9/11 report.

Ustwo:
Why do you feel that it is unlikely? Do you think that governments always act in the most morally correct way? Do you have complete faith in the way that the US government is run?

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Ustwo

Why do you feel it is likely?

One requires a pretty obvious train of thought.

Hijackers take over some planes. (easy)

They fly planes into buildings (easish)

Buildings fall down go boom (hard to fully explain but its not like we have ever had a building that tall attacked to learn from).

Or the other side of the coin...

Hijackers are somehow in league with or pawns of the evil Neocons/illuminati/trilateral commission.

Since someone thinks planes are not enough, they decide to rig these gigantic and occupied 24/7 buildings for demolition, without alerting anyone like the well trained maintenance people who would need to run such a building. They would then have to use them at the right time, in a non-obvious way (no secondary visible explosions) and hope this secret demolition work works 100% because if they don't bring down the building, they will be left as visible evidence.

Then these people involved (and there would need to be several) would have to all keep quiet about what would be the greatest crime against ones own people in a democracy of the modern age.

So basically we are talking about a team of evil geniuses doing this for vague motives, able to fool everyone, and having an absolute strict code of silence.

At least with Pearl Harbor the conspiracy aficionados only try to say that FDR knew it was going to happen, not that we planted bombs on our own ships!

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Windbreaker

It would be extremely easy for the government to rig a building with explosives and then keep all the people who could possibly know about it quiet.. Look at area 51, heard anything coming out of the thousands of workers that work there recently?

Would also like to add, where is the proof terrorist ever hijacked the planes? Where is the evidence people were even on these planes? Please do some research sir because there is PLENTLY of evidence that debunks 9/11. BTW, there is a (i think) 50,000 dollar reward for anyone who can prove jet fuel could burn through all 4 beams in one of the buildings, so far that reward is still there, 4 years later.

As for motives, its obvious. As told by scientists etc, the "WORLD" will run out of crude oil within the next 10 years. There is no way in hell we (the united states of america) can get all of our citizens onto a alternative fuel source. Since most of the world is catching upto us we are competeing for the remaining fuel. Think of what will happen when we have no fuel. No one will be able to go to work, trucks will no be able to transport stuff to stores. A LOT of bad shit WILL happen. It will likely be total anarchy. Thats the problem, solution.. TAKE THE BIGGEST FUCKING OIL FIELD IN THE WORLD (AKA IRAQ)

How do you do this... You can't just go over there and say your liberating them so what did the government do, they told us we were being attacked by terrorists who are actively looking for WMD meanwhile we tell everyone iraq is building WMD's and, oh no! They could give them to terrorists who could attack us! So what do american people want? Revenge, and safety!

Meanwhile the government is just looking out for our ass's (in effect) and is secureing ourselfs for the future with plently of oil.

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powerclown

The key word here is..."Former", as in overlooked, as in eventually fired, as in bitter and alienated, as in Anakin, as in Revenge of the Sith.

pan6467

"former" could be retired, quit whatever, doesn't automatically = bitter and alienated. Not nice to jump to conclusions especially if there is no foundation. (He probably is a disgruntled employee, but until proven so I reserve judgement.)

Hiding something like this would not be hard for the government.... anyone involved was probably threatened wiith their families lives and look how we do accept people who come forward.... we tear them apart, smear their names and laugh them off, how do we know they aren't telling the truth. It's one of those items that is so unbelievable you don't want to even consider the possibilities.

Plus, unless you are a demolitions and explosives expert, I am sure you could hide anything very very well, especially when only those involved would in fact do the investigating.

As for the government not bombing its own..... hmmmm 3 initials and 1 word.... USS MAINE.

Do I believe our government had anything to do with this.... there's good arguments to, but I cannot fathom Bush and company being that evil. I do however believe that they used this to further their agendas and power, and that if they were to plan some huge event, they probably would have planned something on a lesser level, that didn't affect so many lives.

Although, the government paid out money by the buttloads, unlike any other incident (the previous WTC bombing, OKC, etc.), which who knows everyone paid.... could have been hush money and not to look suspicious they paid everyone off.

And it is very questionable how 3 jets could be hijacked at the exact same time.... but security was pretty lax, and hijackings have happened for years.

I'm sure the conspiracy theories and so on will continue for a very, very long time.

I do think there is more to all this but as far as our government and Bush.... I highly doubt it.

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