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host · 05-23-2005, 01:11 AM

Is the "Bohemian Grove" elite positioning Arnold for US President?
Is Arnold a fascist? What is the purpose, activities, and the agenda of the Bohemian Grove Elite?

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http://politicalhumor.about.com/gi/d...d%2F2086742%2F
Arnold's Nazi Problem
Why won't he repudiate Kurt Waldheim?
By Timothy Noah
Posted Thursday, Aug. 7, 2003, at 3:46 PM PT

My friends don't want me to mention Kurt's name, because of all the recent Nazi stuff and the U.N. controversy, but I love him and Maria does too, and so thank you, Kurt.

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http://politicalhumor.about.com/cs/s...a/aa080703.htm

"My relationship to power and authority is that I'm all for it. People need somebody to watch over them. Ninety-five percent of the people in the world need to be told what to do and how to behave." –in a 1990 interview with U.S. News

"I was always dreaming about very powerful people - dictators and things like that. I was just always impressed by people who could be remembered for hundreds of years, or even, like Jesus, be for thousands of years remembered." –in the 1977 film "Pumping Iron"

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http://www.freepress.org/departments...003&strDept=20
.....Rove is a prime behind-the-scenes mover in the Schwarzenegger campaign. On May 1, 1939, a year after the Nazis took control of Schwarzenegger’s native Austria, his father Gustav voluntarily joined Hilter’s infamous Strumabteilung (SA), “brown shirt” stormtroopers. This was just six months after the brown shirts played a key role in the bloody Kristallnacht attacks on Germany’s Jewish community.

The Vienna daily Der Standard noted recently that “Gustav, a high-ranking Nazi, brought up the bespectacled, rather frail boy with an iron fist and quite a few slaps in the face.” Arnold’s father favored a Hitler-style mustache in photos.

On October 3, ABC News broke the story of Schwarzenegger’s 1977 interview in which he was asked whom he admired. Schwarzenegger replied, “I admire Hitler, for instance, because he came from being a little man with almost no formal education, up to power. I admire him for being such a good public speaker and for what he did with it.” .............

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http://www.libertythink.com/2003_09_07_archives.html
Excerpts from "The Hero of Perfected Mass," Rolling Stone June 3, 1976:

....Arnold grew up in Graz, Austria. His mother was a hausfrau; his father, now dead, a policeman . . .

"Around the time of grammar school, I had this incredible desire to be recognized. . . I got the feeling I was meant to be more than just an average guy running around, that I was chosen to do something special.

"At that point, I didn't think about money. I thought about the fame, about just being the greatest. I was dreaming about being some dictator of a country or some savior like Jesus . . .

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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...3/BA253080.DTL
........BEHIND THE COUNT: All eyes will be on the California secretary of state's office today for the big recall count -- but the real plays are going well behind the scenes.

The biggest question, of course, is whether Arnold Schwarzenegger -- who just got back from a European promo tour -- will make this the biggest story of the year by jumping into the fray. ...............

From what we've hear, the Republican hierarchy -- especially those close to former Gov. Pete Wilson -- would favor Schwarzenegger. At least that's the word that came out of the Bohemian Grove this past weekend, where a number of state and national GOPers, including presidential adviser Karl Rove, happened to have gathered at a club getaway.

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http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1489
The Story People Magazine Won't Let You Read
Inside Bohemian Grove:

Extra! November/December 1991

When Dirk Mathison, San Francisco bureau chief for People magazine, infiltrated the exclusive Bohemian Grove retreat this summer, he got a view into the U.S. elite that very few reporters have glimpsed. Unfortunately, that elite includes the management of Time Warner, the owner of People, which prevented Mathison from telling his story.

Bohemian Grove, a secluded campground in California's Sonoma County, is the site of an annual two-week gathering of a highly select, all-male club, whose members have included every Republican president since Calvin Coolidge. Current participants include George Bush, Henry Kissinger, James Baker and David Rockefeller -- a virtual who's who of the most powerful men in business and government..............

..........Time Warner is not the only media corporation with Bohemian connections. The list of Fourth Estate bigwigs who have been members or guests is extensive: Franklin Murphy, the former CEO of the Times Mirror corporation; William Randolph Hearst, Jr.; Jack Howard and Charles Scripps of the Scripps-Howard newspaper chain; Tom Johnson, president of CNN and former publisher of the Los Angeles Times.

When Associated Press president Louis Boccardi spoke at one of the Grove's "Lakeside Talks" about kidnapped reporter Terry Anderson (Spy, 11/89), he referred to his audience as men of "power and rank" and "gave them more details than he said he was willing to give his readers."

Walter Cronkite, now on the CBS board, hangs out at the same lodge atBohemian Grove as George Bush and the former chairs of Procter & Gamble and Bank of America; Cronkite's voice has served as the voice of the Owl of Bohemia, a fixture in the club's mock-druidic rituals.

The media figures attending the retreat all agree not to report on what goes on inside. The prohibition seems to apply to reporters who are notguests or members as well: In 1982, NPR got a recording of Henry Kissinger's speech at the Grove -- but declined to air it (Spy, 11/89). Also in 1982, a Time reporter went undercover as a waiter in Bohemian Grove; like Mathison's People article, his story was killed.

http://www.sonic.net/~kerry/bohemian/index.html

http://baltimore.indymedia.org/newsw...6602/index.php
John DeCamp's book, The Franklin Cover-Up, includes Paul Bonacci's testimony about a snuff film of a child being murdered on July 26, 1984 in California in "an area that had big trees." At a meeting in Santa Rosa, DeCamp told a group that he had edited out Bonacci's references to an enormous, moss-covered owl and men in hooded red robes because he not know then about the owl at the Grove and thought it "too far fetched for people to believe." In the fall of 1992, Paul Bonacci was shown a black and white photo of the moss-covered owl at the Grove and quickly identified it as the site of the July 1984 snuff film described in DeCamp's book. Although this testimony has been available to law enforcement officials since mid-October 1992, no official investigation has been made.
The ceremony . . . involves the burning of an effigy named Dull Care, who symbolizes the burdens and responsibilities these harried Bohemians now wish to shed temporarily. More than 100 Bohemians take part in the ceremony as priests, acolytes, torch bearers, brazier bearers, boatmen, and woodland voices, but despite many flowery speeches, they can't get the fire started. . . the perplexed Bohemians must turn to the mighty Owl for advice: "O thou, great symbol of all mortal wisdom, Owl of Bohemia, we do beseech thee, grant us thy counsel," intones the High Priest. An aura of light creates a glow around the Owl's head, and then the big bird reveals its wisdom. The High Priest must light the pyre with the flame from the Lamp of Fellowship, located conveniently enough on the "Altar of Bohemia" at the base of the Shrine . . . -William Domhoff, The Progressive, January 1981
Bohemian Bigwigs Perpetuate Canaanite Cult

Antony C. Sutton, editor of an excellent monthly newsletter, Phoenix Letter, stated in the October, 1996 edition:
“Up to a few months ago, our knowledge of Bohemian Grove [was that it is] the exclusive elitist hideaway of supposedly adult wheeler dealers, a.k.a. Washington statesman and prominent people (all male).

We dismissed the behavior as immature, even pitiful, by emotionally disturbed juveniles and not worth attention. This is where Kissinger, Ford, Nixon, Bechtel, Bush, Cheney, Hoover and their friends (2600 members) hang out and “relax.” And if they want to behave as little boys that is their privilege, it is private property.

Recent information may radically change this perception of Bohemian Grove. Not merely drunkenness, unbounded use of alcohol and drugs with vague homosexual tones (confirmed by our sources) but reported activities much more serious – kidnapping, rape, paedophilia, sodomy, ritual murder. Investigation is blocked under the 1947 National Security Act.(!) and like the Omaha child abuse case, includes illegal detention of children.

For decades, there have been vague rumors of weird goings on in Bohemian Grove in more remote parts of its 2200 acres. Reliable reports claim Druidic like rituals - druids in red hooded robes marching in procession and chanting to the Great Owl (Moloch) - a funeral pyre with “corpses”. (Scores of men work in the Bohemian Grove as servants so this party is fairly well established.)

The chief feature of Moloch's worship among the Jews seems to have been the sacrifice of children, and the usual expression for describing that sacrifice was "to pass through the fire", a rite carried out after the victims had been put to death.
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MOLECH - Moloch, or Milcom, a god of the Ammonites Le 18:21 And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD. 2Ki 23:10 And he defiled Topheth, which is in the valley of the children of Hinnom, that no man might make his son or his daughter to pass through the fire to Molech. Jer 32:35 And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin. Am 5:26 But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves. Ac 7:43 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.

Fascists? Nazis? Naw......Just ordinary luminaries and world leaders enjoying good, clean, old fashion, aryan fun with satanic overtones.....

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http://www.infowars.com/exclusive_new_bg.htm
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http://www.amendforarnold.com/News/

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politic...mendment_x.htm
Posted 12/2/2004 10:59 PM Updated 12/3/2004 8:54 AM
Should the Constitution be amended for Arnold?
By Martin Kasindorf, USA TODAY

..............Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, a political ally of Schwarzenegger, introduced the Equal Right to Govern Amendment in July 2003, a few weeks before the actor declared his candidacy in the recall election in which Californians ousted Democrat Gray Davis as governor.

If Hatch's amendment is adopted, an immigrant who has been a naturalized citizen for 20 years could run for president or vice president.

Schwarzenegger, 57, has been a U.S. citizen since 1983. He has retained Austrian citizenship....................

..................So far, the most vocal opposition has come from people who simply don't like Schwarzenegger.

Alex Jones, an Austin-based host of a syndicated radio talk show, says he is a former Republican turned "libertarian and independent." His Web site, www.arnoldexposed.com, features negative stories about the celebrity governor that Californians heard during last year's recall campaign. They include allegations that Schwarzenegger sexually harassed women during his Hollywood days, and that his father was a Nazi.

"He's a bully and a preening peacock who is totally power-mad," Jones says. "For God's sake, don't let this megalomaniac become president."................

http://www.chron.com/content/archive...abases=2004%3B
12/01/04 WED California governor honored / Senior Bush suggests that Schwarzenegger could someday become president
CLAY ROBISON
COLLEGE STATION - Former President George H.W. Bush presented California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger an award for public service Tuesday and suggested the foreign-born, former action movie star could someday be elected president. "In regard to him ever being president of the United States, my advice to you Aggies and to any of those doubters, don't bet against Arnold Schwarzenegger," Bush told about 2,500 people attending the award ceremony at Texas A&M University.

Hardknock · 05-23-2005, 01:39 AM

This would be more acccurate...

Is the "Bohemian Grove" elite positioning Arnold for US Puppet?

Does the right really want a somebody in thie white house as a "symbol" of their party? A symbol complete with strings?

host · 05-23-2005, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Hardknock

This would be more acccurate...

Is the "Bohemian Grove" elite positioning Arnold for US Puppet?

Does the right really want a somebody in thie white house as a "symbol" of their party? A symbol complete with strings?

And.....from MSM San Francisco Chronicle website, Bohemian Grove photo album.
Who T-F are these bastards aligned with? Why the secrecy?

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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object...type=printable
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matthew330, I was one beneficiary of a blanket, anonymous pardon that was
28 years ago. It wasn't "recent", and this isn't about me. My comments that you reacted to several posts ago were in reference to my perception that I do not box my thinking and opinions in. This "material" and some of the other ideas that I have advanced on this thread are no more farfetched than the reports of what we are instructed to believe happened during the 9/11 attacks, and the sudden politic elevation of Arnold and of the wierdness of the annual Bohemian Grove retreat.

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The MacNeil/Lehrer Report -- January 21, 1977
CARTER'S PARDON
Just a day after Jimmy Carter's inaguration, he followed through on a contentious campaign promise, granting a presidential pardon to those who had avoided the draft during the Vietnam war by either not registering or traveling abroad.

The pardon meant the government was giving up forever the right to prosecute what the administration said were hundreds of thousands of draft-dodgers.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/asia/...m_1-21-77.html

ObieX · 05-23-2005, 06:39 AM

For those of us who are not familiar with the BC's good friend Mr. Molech (the guy they worship) here's some literature on the subject.

Leviticus

18:21 You must not give any of your children as an offering to Molech, 29 so that you do not profane 30 the name of your God. I am the Lord!

20:1 The Lord spoke to Moses: 20:2 “You are to say to the Israelites, ‘Any man from the Israelites or from the foreigners who reside in Israel who gives any of his children to Molech must be put to death; the people of the land must pelt him with stones. 20:3 I myself will set my face against that man and cut him off from the midst of his people, because he has given some of his children to Molech and thereby defiled my sanctuary and profaned my holy name. 20:4 If, however, the people of the land shut their eyes to that man when he gives some of his children to Molech so that they do not put him to death, 20:5 I myself will set my face against that man and his clan. I will cut off from the midst of their people both him and all who follow after him in prostitution, to commit prostitution by going after Molech.

Kings

23:10 The king ruined Topheth in the Valley of Ben Hinnom so that no one could pass his son or his daughter through the fire to Molech

Jeremiah

32:35 And they built the high places of Baal, which [are] in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through [the fire] unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.

Molech/Moloch references from the 'The English Dictionary' (http://www.yourdictionary.com/)

1, In the Bible, the god of the Canaanites and Phoenicians to whom children were sacrificed.
2, Something possessing the power to exact severe sacrifice.

Moloch reference from The Continuum Encyclopedia of Symbols (2000 Edition) - Book by Udo Becker

"Originally a Canaanite god to whom human sacrifices were offered. Later, he was a general symbol of authorities that corrupt or destroy humans, especially inhuman political systems"

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...background.htm

Ustwo · 05-23-2005, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ObieX

For those of us who are not familiar with the BC's good friend Mr. Molech (the guy they worship) here's some literature on the subject.

Hmmmmm maybe THIS explains why I've always had a soft spot in my heart for Baal, its a neo-con thing!

You know I came very close to naming my son Hannibal and would have except for that damn movie?

Hannibal stems from 'Mercy of Baal'.

Well I guess that is all figured out now

moosenose · 05-23-2005, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by host

Is the "Bohemian Grove" elite positioning Arnold for US President?
Is Arnold a fascist? What is the purpose, activities, and the agenda of the Bohemian Grove Elite? Fascists? Nazis? Naw......Just ordinary luminaries and world leaders enjoying good, clean, old fashion, aryan fun with satanic overtones.....

Odd...The "Bohemian Grove" is supposed to be an offshoot of Skull and Bones...Wasn't another Candidate for President in 2004 affiliated with them? I wonder why there were no allegations of fascistic or Nazi tendencies bandied about regarding him prior to the election....oh, wait, is this a Senator Byrd moment?

ObieX · 05-23-2005, 01:41 PM

There was quite a bit of discussion about how Kerry was also in Skull & Bones during the election.

What I found interesting is that *immediately* following this line from the bible about Molech:
Leviticus

18:21 You must not give any of your children as an offering to Molech, 29 so that you do not profane 30 the name of your God. I am the Lord!

.. is the sentence that Bush seems to hold so dear to his heart that he wants to change the constitution over it.

Leviticus 18:22

You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; such a thing is an abomination.

I guess he just skimmed that chapter.

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Well I guess that is all figured out now

Basically. This is America, however, and they can practice whatever they want. It doesn't mean i have to be comfortable with it. The idea of my president prancing around in robes doing sacrifices to a horned beast doesn't inspire my patriotism.

Lebell · 05-23-2005, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ObieX

There was quite a bit of discussion about how Kerry was also in Skull & Bones during the election.

What I found interesting is that *immediately* following this line from the bible about Molech:
Leviticus

18:21 You must not give any of your children as an offering to Molech, 29 so that you do not profane 30 the name of your God. I am the Lord!

.. is the sentence that Bush seems to hold so dear to his heart that he wants to change the constitution over it.

Leviticus 18:22

You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; such a thing is an abomination.

I guess he just skimmed that chapter.

Basically. This is America, however, and they can practice whatever they want. It doesn't mean i have to be comfortable with it. The idea of my president prancing around in robes doing sacrifices to a horned beast doesn't inspire my patriotism.

Now you're saying Bush is sacrificing children?

filtherton · 05-23-2005, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Lebell

Now you're saying Bush is sacrificing children?

I think he means that bush is ignoring the part about mixed fiber clothing, and eating unclean animals, and etc. If bush were going to be consistent he would keep a kosher kitchen.

Every sect of christianity picks and chooses which parts of the bible are important. The problem is that so many pick and choose from the same section without regard to any kind of consistence or reasoning.

Ustwo · 05-23-2005, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Lebell

Now you're saying Bush is sacrificing children?

After reading and rereading, thats exactly what he implied.

So lets see......

Moore is an agent of Bush. *check*

Bush believes in child sacrafice. *check*

ObieX · 05-23-2005, 02:27 PM

Mock sacrifice of a child, yes. That is what they do. Back in the early years of this "club" they very well may have actually sacrificed real people. Granted, they may not do the real thing anymore, but it is what it is. They prance aroundin robes sending a burnt offering to their horned beast.

moosenose · 05-23-2005, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ObieX

Mock sacrifice of a child, yes. That is what they do. Back in the early years of this "club" they very well may have actually sacrificed real people. Granted, they may not do the real thing anymore, but it is what it is. They prance aroundin robes sending a burnt offering to their horned beast.

We just like to dance
In our goatskin pants
around this ancient ruin!

Ustwo · 05-23-2005, 07:44 PM

You know I couldn't find any sources I would even dream of trusting on the whole 'Bohemian Grove' thing, but I did find something I had to share.

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13 May 1971 President Richard M. Nixon: "The Bohemian Grove -- which I attend, from time to time -- it is the most faggy goddamned thing you could ever imagine, with that San Francisco crowd. I can't shake hands with anybody from San Francisco."

smooth · 05-23-2005, 08:07 PM

Bill Domhoff has written on the Bohemian Grove and a slew of other books/articles regarding the concentration of power in this nation.

http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesam...ian_grove.html

EDIT: cool and intelligent guy, too

(albeit a bit polarizing in his views *chuckle*)

host · 05-23-2005, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Ustwo

You know I couldn't find any sources I would even dream of trusting on the whole 'Bohemian Grove' thing, but I did find something I had to share.

Here's GHWB in a photo (I enlarged/cropped it) from his own library's site:
(GHWB is standing to the left of the clock.)
http://bushlibrary.tamu.edu/photos/p...file=HS306.jpg
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/...in576332.shtml
Skull And Bones

June 13, 2004

Skull and Bones, with all its ritual and macabre relics, was founded in 1832 as a new world version of secret student societies that were common in Germany at the time. Since then, it has chosen or "tapped" only 15 senior students a year who become patriarchs when they graduate -- lifetime members of the ultimate old boys' club.

“Skull and Bones is so tiny. That's what makes this staggering,” says Robbins. “There are only 15 people a year, which means there are about 800 living members at any one time.”

But a lot of Bonesmen have gone on to positions of great power, which Robbins says is the main purpose of this secret society: to get as many members as possible into positions of power.

“They do have many individuals in influential positions,” says Robbins. “And that's why this is something that we need to know about.”

President Bush has tapped five fellow Bonesmen to join his administration. Most recently, he selected William Donaldson, Skull and Bones 1953, the head of the Securities and Exchange Commission. Like the President, he's taken the Bones oath of silence. Ron Rosenbaum, author and columnist for the New York Observer, has become obsessed with cracking that code of secrecy.

“I think there is a deep and legitimate distrust in America for power and privilege that are cloaked in secrecy. It's not supposed to be the way we do things,” says Rosenbaum. “We're supposed to do things out in the open in America. And so that any society or institution that hints that there is something hidden is, I think, a legitimate subject for investigation.”

His investigation is a 30-year obsession dating back to his days as a Yale classmate of George W. Bush. Rosenbaum, a self-described undergraduate nerd, was certainly not a contender for Bones. But he was fascinated by its weirdness. .................

“Prescott Bush, George W's grandfather, and a band of Bonesmen, robbed the grave of Geronimo, took the skull and some personal relics of the Apache chief and brought them back to the tomb,” says Robbins. “There is still a glass case, Bonesmen tell me, within the tomb that displays a skull that they all refer to as Geronimo.”.........

................Bones is not restricted to the Republican Party. Yet another Bonesman has his eye on the Oval Office: Senator John Kerry, Democrat, Skull & Bones 1966.

“It is fascinating isn't it? I mean, again, all the people say, ‘Oh, these societies don't matter. The Eastern Establishment is in decline.’ And you could not find two more quintessential Eastern establishment, privileged guys,” says Rosenbaum. “I remember when I was a nerdy scholarship student in the reserve book room at, at the Yale Library, and John Kerry, who at that point styled himself ‘John F. Kerry’ would walk in.”

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http://www.yaleherald.com/article.php?Article=2523
Of skulls and bones: More secrets of the tomb
Native Americans groups fight to recover lost skulls of Geronimo.

BY NOAM RUDNICK

Alexandra Robbins, ES '98, has researched Bush's secret society extensively. Her recent book, Secrets of the Tomb, has heightened interest in the activities of Skull and Bones. She attests to the legitimacy of the story, "The text looks to be an authentic Bones document describing Prescott Bush and other Bonesmen robbing Geronimo's grave and cleaning the skull with carbolic acid." In interviews with Robbins, Bonesmen have admitted that there is a skull in the tomb that they call Geronimo.

Current Members of Skull and Bones chose not to comment on the legitimacy of the allegations.

Apache tribal leader Ned Anderson was informed of the alleged theft in 1986. As an ancestor of Geronimo, Anderson petitioned the Federal Bureau of Investigations to force the return of the skull. Noting that Apaches have a "great fear and respect for death," Anderson said that he hoped to honor Geronimo's express wish to be laid to rest in "Arizona acorn country."

Unwilling to remove himself from the case entirely and yield all his evidence to the FBI, Anderson withdrew his request for action. Instead, he arranged to meet with George H. W. Bush's, DC '48, brother Jonathan in New York City. Anderson recounts that Bush sounded "very encouraging" during their initial meeting. Eleven days later, Bush presented the display case. Anderson refused to accept the skull because it appeared to belong to a small child. Bush acknowledged this fact but claimed that it was the only relevant artifact in the society's possession.

He urged Anderson to accept the display and sign a document verifying that the society was not in possession of Geronimo's skull. Anderson refused.

Since the meeting in Manhattan, no further efforts to recover the skull have been made. Anderson puts great faith in the Bonesmen. "I believe that those who are involved need to come clean on this," he said. "I think they'll come around and do what is appropriate." ............

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http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Ru...RuleWorld.html
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...07/ai_n6384699

Meet the Men Who Rule the WorId
by Alexander Cockburn
The Nation magazine, July 2, 2001

But comes next July 14 and every self-respecting member of the Secret World Government will be in a gloomy grove of redwoods in northern California, preparing to Banish Care for the hundred and twenty-second time, prelude to three weeks hashing out the future of the world.
If the avenging posses mustered by the Bohemian Grove Action Network manage this year to burst through the security gates at the Bohemian Grove, they will (to extrapolate from numerous eyewitness accounts of past sessions) find proofs most convincing to them that here indeed is the ruling crowd in executive session: hundreds of near-dead white men sitting by a lake listening to Henry Kissinger, plus many other near-dead white men in adjacent landscape in a state of intoxication so advanced that many of them have fallen insensible among the ferns, gin fizz glasses gripped firmly till the last.

These same gaping posses would find evidence of bizarre rites, though not perhaps the Satanic sacrifice of children, as proposed in one new documentary. Why so many games of dominoes? Why the evidence that a significant portion of the Secret Government appeared to be involved in some theatrical production involving the use of women's clothes and lavish application of makeup?

Many an empire has, of course, been run by drunken men wearing makeup. But a look at the Bohemian Club, its members and appurtenances, suggests that behind the pretense of Secret Government lies the reality of a summer camp for a bunch of San Francisco businessmen, real estate plungers and lawyers who long ago had the cunning to recruit some outside megawattage- Herbert Hoover, a Rockefeller, Richard Nixon-to turn their mundane frolics into the simulacrum of Secret Government and make the yokels gape.

The Bohemian Club began as a San Francisco institution in 1872, founded by journalists and kindred lowly scriveners as an excuse for late-night boozing. The hacks soon concluded that Bohemianism, in the sense of real poverty, was oppressive. So they pulled in a few wealthy men of commerce to pay for the champagne, and the rot set in. Within a very few years the lowly scriveners were on their way out- except for a few of the more presentable among them to lend a pretense of Boho-dom-and Mammon had seized power.
Near the end of the last century the cult of the redwood grove as Nature's cathedral was in full swing, and the Boho-businessmen yearned to give their outings a tincture of spiritual uplift. The long range planning committee of the club decided to buy a grove some sixty miles north of the city near the town of Monte Rio. Soon the ancient redwoods rang to the laughter of the disporting men of commerce.

The Bohemian Club is set up along frat house lines. Instead of Deltas and Pi Etas there are camps, some 120 in all, stretching along River Road and Morse Stephens canyon. Their names follow the imaginative arc of American industrialists and financiers over the past hundred years, from Hillbillies (George Bush Sr., Walter Cronkite, William F. Buckley) to Ye Merrie Yowls.
The waiting lists for membership are so long it takes years for the novitiate to be admitted. A friend of mine, big in Reagan's time, has been on the doorstep for fifteen years. He says he likes it that way. He's spared the sign-up fee of around $10,000 and annual membership dues and has to pony up only when he's invited, which is every two years. Particularly in the more sumptuous camps it takes plenty of money too, sharing bills for retinues of uniformed servants, vintage cellars, master chefs and kindred accoutrements of spiritual refreshment.

There are lakeside talks and increasingly popular science chats at the Grove's museum. There's skeet-shooting on the private range. There's endless dominoes-the Grove's board game par excellence. There's Not Being at Home With the Wife. But best of all, there are the talent revue and the play. Visit some corporate suite in San Francisco in June or early July, and if you see the CEO brooding thoughtfully before his plate-glass window overlooking the Bay Bridge, the chances are he is not thinking about some impending takeover or merciless downsizing. He is probably worrying about the cut of his tutu for the drag act for which he has been rehearsing keenly for many months.
In the nineties the Grove's reputation as the site of Secret Government was in eclipse. The young Christian zealots of the Newt revolution were scarcely Boho material, and Newt himself-he did give a lakeside talk one year-was a little too tacky in style for the gin fizz set. <h4>But here we are in the Bush II era, and the Bush Clan is echt Secret Government, all the way from the old Rockefeller connection to Skull and Bones and the Knights of Malta. Dick Cheney's a Grover.</h4>

So spare yourself the expense of traveling from Quebec to the next session of the WTO. Voyage to Sonoma County and muster against the Secret World Government. For details of the rally, call the Bohemian Grove Action Network, whose Mary Moore has been chivying the Grovers for twenty years, at (707) 874-2248 or check out www.sonomacountyfreepress.org..

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America: what do Boy George and John Kerry have in common? What keeps Bill Clinton close to the richest Republicans? All are members of secret societies practising astonishing rituals
New Statesman, August 16, 2004 by Andrew Stephen

It does not augur well for this country, I fear, that both George W Bush and John Kerry are members of the same tiny, highly secretive club. The Skull and Bones society of Yale University each year recruits 15 undergraduates who are in their senior year--and members retain a lifelong loyalty to their fellows, helping smooth each other's way through the networks of privileged America. They revel in the mystique around the club, especially in the initiation rite that has recruits recounting their sexual history while lying in a coffin.

I thought of all this nonsense a few days ago, at a Washington lunch. Two of the men there told me, separately and furtively, that they had just returned from "Bohemian Grove"--yet another secret little gathering that meets for 16 days every summer among the redwood trees of northern California. The vast majority of Americans do not even know that such a secret society exists, though every Republican president since Calvin Coolidge has been a member. The combined wealth of the 2,500 or so members, I am told, is roughly $100bn; its membership is all-male, nearly all-white, and mostly Republican.

These exclusive societies flourish in the land of the free. Skull and Bones was started in 1832, the Bohemian Club in 1872. Every college
university in the United States is ridden with fraternities, clubs that often have bizarre initiation rites, and which are formed expressly for the purpose of denying membership to others.

Perhaps it is a hidden effect of living in so competitive a society: those who belong to such bodies need to reassure themselves that they are still members of a group that others cannot join. Even successful men still feel the need to indulge themselves in this way.

Bill Clinton, a Democrat deemed sufficiently successful to be allowed into Bohemian Grove, has flown into Sonoma County airport to spend time amid the 2,700 acres 70 miles north-west of San Francisco. Last year, Dick Cheney also went on a private duck-hunt in Louisiana with Antonin Scalia, who sits on a Supreme Court that is still deliberating on whether Cheney can keep secret the business contacts of his energy task force. ("I do not think my impartiality could reasonably be questioned," said the right-wing Scalia. Oh yeah?)

Everything about the operation of Bohemian Grove reinforces feelings of elitism and exclusivity. The surrounding areas are festooned with road signs that warn "No Thru Traffic ... No Trespassing ... Members and Guests Only ... No Turnaround". Sentries scan the outside areas with binoculars looking for those who might want to penetrate such a gathering, while infra-red sensors protect the perimeters.

What really takes non-members such as me aback is the infantilism of Bohemian Grove. When alone with each other, the men apparently dress up in ridiculous costumes. Their motto is "Weaving spiders come not here" and one of their first rituals at each annual gathering is the "cremation of care", whereby an effigy of an owl, symbolising their careworn lives in the outside world, is ceremoniously lit and consumed by fire. Peeing on trees is supposed to represent the club members' liberation from the outside world--and, most of all, from women.

Ustwo · 05-23-2005, 11:40 PM

You know host, I was in a frat in college.

We had...ok I gotta tell this story...in general....

Hardknock · 05-24-2005, 01:17 AM

But not a frat bent on.....

WORLD DOMINATION!!

hahahahaha

host · 05-24-2005, 01:24 AM

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4179618/
Russert: This is what John Kerry had to say last year. He said that his colleagues are appalled at the quote "President's lack of knowledge. They've managed him the same way they've managed Ronald Reagan. They send him out to the press for one event a day. They put him in a brown jacket and jeans and get him to move some hay or move a truck, and all of a sudden he's the Marlboro Man. I know this guy. He was two years behind me at Yale. I knew him, and he's still the same guy.”

Did you know him at Yale?

President Bush: No.

Russert: How do you respond to that?

President Bush: Politics. I mean, this is — you know, if you close your eyes and listen carefully to what you just said, it sounds like the year 2000 all over again.

Russert: You were both in Skull and Bones, the secret society.

President Bush: It's so secret we can't talk about it.

Russert: What does that mean for America? The conspiracy theorists are going to go wild.

President Bush: I'm sure they are. I don’t know. I haven't seen Web pages yet. (Laughs)

Russert: Number 322.

President Bush: First of all, he's not the nominee, and — but look, I look forward —

Russert: Are you prepared to lose?

President Bush: No, I'm not going to lose.

Russert: If you did, what would you do?

President Bush: Well, I don't plan on losing.

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/Default.aspx?id=3080246&p1=0
MR. RUSSERT: You both were members of Skull and Bones, a secret society at Yale. What does that tell us?

SEN. KERRY: Not much, because it’s a secret.

MR. RUSSERT: Is there a secret handshake? Is there a secret code?

SEN. KERRY: I wish there were something secret I could manifest there.

MR. RUSSERT: Three twenty-two, a secret number?

SEN. KERRY: There are all kinds of secrets, Tim. But one thing is not a secret. I disagree with this president’s direction that he’s taking the country. We can do a better job. And I intend to do it.

MR. RUSSERT: And we’ll be watching. Be safe on the campaign trail. John Kerry, thanks for joining us.

SEN. KERRY: Thank you, sir.

MR. RUSSERT: And we’ll be right back.

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http://www.ctrl.org/boodleboys/boodleboys1.html
What is Skull and Bones?

The Order of Skull and Bones is the oldest of several senior secret societies that are unique to Yale University. The "Order" was founded in 1832 by William Huntington Russell and Alphonso Taft. Many historians claim the group appeared as a direct result of the de-secretizing of America's oldest Greek-letter college secret society, Phi Beta Kappa.

And.....on the "fringe".....(as if this thread isn't looking that way, too?)

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D. Conclusion
The book ASE and the Boodle Boys article prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Skull and Bones are the most influential group in controlling the American government and directing changes in all segments of society toward a New World Order.
This lecture shows that the morals and education of America is not degenerating by accident, but is part of a planned agenda. As the Skull and Bones have literally taken over America, this a physical reflect of Lucifer taking over heaven. (Isa. 14:12)
This shows that these secret societies are the Mystery of Iniquity working in our era. The Apostle John referred to them as Mystery Babylon, the Mother of Harlots, Abomination of the Earth.
This is a spiritual battle, fought with words of truth vs. lies (Eph. 6:12)

host · 05-24-2005, 02:32 AM

The conservative, "New American" on March 8, 2004, is apoplectic over this issue, and their writer has not even commented on the Washington Post's choice of a reporter, Dana Milbank, to cover the news reporting of the presidential race. I love the way this article accuses author Alexandra Robbins of downplaying Skull and Bones:
<h4>"Much of what Robbins disingenuously dismisses as legend is verifiable fact, and much else is very probably fact, based on what can be determined from available evidence."</h4>

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http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/20...4/bonesmen.htm
Bipartisan Bonesmen
by William F. Jasper

We have no proof that Skull and Bones enforces its equivalent of omerta with similarly severe means, but there is no question that Bonesmen take it very seriously; members are instructed never to mention or discuss S&B with any "barbarian," which means all the rest of us outsiders — including Bonesmen’s own spouses and biological family members. If barbarians ever broach the subject in their presence, Bonesmen are instructed to turn on their heels immediately and leave.

This kind of secrecy by men in positions of power should be a natural magnet to investigative reporters and members of the Fourth Estate who posture as the watchdogs of our political system. But it would seem that our media mavens, who insist on prying into every other private crevice of politicians’ lives, have a curious lack of curiosity when it comes to The Order. Like NBC’s Russert, the denizens of the controlled elite media tend to laugh off the S&B connection as something that would only concern paranoid "conspiracy theorists." Thus, Elizabeth Bumiller began her February 2 New York Times column on the Bonesmen election race with this opening line: "It will be a field day for conspiracy theorists."

Bones of Contention

After noting that a Kerry-Bush race would be "the first skull-to-skull match-up of Bonesmen in history," the Times’ Bumiller asks: "Does this mean anything at all?"

What it means, the Times would have us believe, is that we will be fortunate if either of these elite Bonesmen helms our ship of state. "Historically, Yale’s best and brightest — only 15 a year — were tapped for Skull and Bones," an approving Bumiller tells her readers. "The larger question is whether Skull and Bones inculcated values of leadership … in Mr. Kerry and Mr. Bush, beyond what was already driven home by Yale." Then she follows a familiar pattern of quoting sympathetic sources who extol S&B as a training ground that transforms callow, shallow youth into men of caliber dedicated to higher purpose and the public good.

Bumiller continues:

Skull and Bones has, after all, a particularly illustrious alumni roster: two previous presidents (Mr. Bush’s father and William Howard Taft), Averell Harriman, McGeorge Bundy, Henry Luce, Potter Stewart, the writer John Hersey and numerous officials in the Central Intelligence Agency, a traditional career path for Bonesmen.

U.S. presidents, Supreme Court justices, senators, governors, university presidents, foundation presidents, business titans, banking barons, media moguls, CIA spooks. S&B’s history indicates that it has long been a prime recruiting ground where candidates are "tapped" and groomed for future service to The Order. The organization uses its connections to advance its members into positions of power and influence to an inordinate degree. In addition to its high-profile members in government service, Skull and Bones is intimately tied to semi-secret globalist organizations such as the Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission and the Bilderbergers, which have so come to dominate U.S. political and economic policy as to constitute a separate American government. Bonesmen have played prominent roles in leading these groups for the past several generations.

Yes, The Order boasts a membership roll that elicits oohs and ahs. Speaking of ahs, the most widely quoted so-called critic of the S&B likens the secret group to the beneficent and mysterious Wizard of Oz. In her highly praised 2002 "exposé," Secrets of the Tomb, Alexandra Robbins writes: "If the Wizard of Oz can represent Skull and Bones, then one must point out that, for a while, Oz needed its Wizard to provide balance and a constant current of reassurance." (Emphasis in the original.) You see, according to Robbins, we silly little Munchkin mortals need the paternalistic ministrations of The Order’s superior Wizards.

Alexandra Robbins has been much quoted and interviewed as a leading authority on S&B. Her book’s first chapter, "The Legend of Skull and Bones," begins with this description:

Sometime in the early 1830s, a Yale student named William H. Russell — the future valedictorian of the class of 1833 — traveled to Germany to study for a year. Russell came from an inordinately wealthy family that ran one of America’s most despicable business organizations of the nineteenth century: Russell and Company, an opium empire.... While in Germany, Russell befriended the leader of an insidious German secret society that hailed the death’s head as its logo. Russell soon became caught up in this group, itself a sinister outgrowth of the notorious eighteenth-century society the Illuminati.

According to Robbins, this is all lurid legend, much of it invented and spread by the Bonesmen themselves to enhance the sense of mystery and importance surrounding Skull and Bones. Ms. Robbins’ opening chapter combines descriptions of The Order’s bizarre initiation rituals with stories and rumors of the group’s wealth and power in a way calculated to discredit the most serious concerns about the group. Sure, it’s the ultimate "old boys network," with lots of juvenile mumbo-jumbo, but nothing to get worked up over.

Truth Behind the "Legend"

Much of what Robbins disingenuously dismisses as legend is verifiable fact, and much else is very probably fact, based on what can be determined from available evidence. Skull and Bones founder William H. Russell did indeed come from a wealthy opium-empire family. He did found S&B at Yale after spending 1831-32 studying in Germany. From S&B’s own documents, it seems that The Order may be but a U.S. chapter of a German secret society. And it is quite possible that the German society was (is) directly connected to the infamous Order of the Illuminati, which was founded in Germany in 1776. The Illuminati, which played a central role in the French Revolution and in spreading subversion and revolution throughout Europe, actually sent agents to the United States to overthrow our republic while it was still in its infancy. In a 1798 letter to Rev. G. W. Snyder, President George Washington acknowledged that these agents were then active here, spreading the Illuminati’s "diabolical tenets."*........

Not to worry.....the press will keep an eye on these secret society nutjobs:

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Dana Milbank

Dana MilbankBorn: c. 1968

Gender: Male
Ethnicity: White
Sexual orientation: Straight
Occupation: Journalist

Level of fame: Niche
Executive summary: Washington Post White House reporter

The most hated man in the White House press corps.

In July 2001, Milbank filed a pool report which managed to incense the White House. The summary of the President's morning, never meant to be read by the general public, was then leaked to National Review who promptly published the thing in an effort to shame the reporter. Instead, Milbank responded by producing a series of even more grandiloquent memos.

A member of Yale's secret society Skull and Bones, in March 2004 Milbank allegedly confided to Washington gossip columnist Lloyd Grove: "I have been assigned to monitor all secret hand signals during the debates. [...] I have it on good information that if this one gets tied up in a recount, Potter Stewart will return from the grave to write the majority opinion."

Oopsie.....maybe not !

05-23-2005, 06:39 AM	#4 (permalink)
ObieX Pickles Location: Shirt and Pants (NJ)	For those of us who are not familiar with the BC's good friend Mr. Molech (the guy they worship) here's some literature on the subject. Leviticus 18:21 You must not give any of your children as an offering to Molech, 29 so that you do not profane 30 the name of your God. I am the Lord! 20:1 The Lord spoke to Moses: 20:2 “You are to say to the Israelites, ‘Any man from the Israelites or from the foreigners who reside in Israel who gives any of his children to Molech must be put to death; the people of the land must pelt him with stones. 20:3 I myself will set my face against that man and cut him off from the midst of his people, because he has given some of his children to Molech and thereby defiled my sanctuary and profaned my holy name. 20:4 If, however, the people of the land shut their eyes to that man when he gives some of his children to Molech so that they do not put him to death, 20:5 I myself will set my face against that man and his clan. I will cut off from the midst of their people both him and all who follow after him in prostitution, to commit prostitution by going after Molech. Kings 23:10 The king ruined Topheth in the Valley of Ben Hinnom so that no one could pass his son or his daughter through the fire to Molech Jeremiah 32:35 And they built the high places of Baal, which [are] in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through [the fire] unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin. Molech/Moloch references from the 'The English Dictionary' (http://www.yourdictionary.com/) 1, In the Bible, the god of the Canaanites and Phoenicians to whom children were sacrificed. 2, Something possessing the power to exact severe sacrifice. Moloch reference from The Continuum Encyclopedia of Symbols (2000 Edition) - Book by Udo Becker "Originally a Canaanite god to whom human sacrifices were offered. Later, he was a general symbol of authorities that corrupt or destroy humans, especially inhuman political systems" http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...background.htm __________________ We Must Dissent.

05-23-2005, 02:27 PM	#11 (permalink)
ObieX Pickles Location: Shirt and Pants (NJ)	Mock sacrifice of a child, yes. That is what they do. Back in the early years of this "club" they very well may have actually sacrificed real people. Granted, they may not do the real thing anymore, but it is what it is. They prance aroundin robes sending a burnt offering to their horned beast. __________________ We Must Dissent.

05-23-2005, 08:07 PM	#14 (permalink)
smooth Junkie Location: Right here	Bill Domhoff has written on the Bohemian Grove and a slew of other books/articles regarding the concentration of power in this nation. http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesam...ian_grove.html EDIT: cool and intelligent guy, too (albeit a bit polarizing in his views chuckle) __________________ "The theory of a free press is that truth will emerge from free discussion, not that it will be presented perfectly and instantly in any one account." -- Walter Lippmann "You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists." -- Abbie Hoffman Last edited by smooth; 05-23-2005 at 08:15 PM..

05-23-2005, 11:40 PM	#16 (permalink)
Ustwo Pissing in the cornflakes	You know host, I was in a frat in college. We had...ok I gotta tell this story...in general.... __________________ Agents of the enemies who hold office in our own government, who attempt to eliminate our "freedoms" and our "right to know" are posting among us, I fear.....on this very forum. - host Obama - Know a Man by the friends he keeps.

05-23-2005, 01:39 AM	#2 (permalink)
Hardknock Republican slayer Location: WA	This would be more acccurate... Is the "Bohemian Grove" elite positioning Arnold for US Puppet? Does the right really want a somebody in thie white house as a "symbol" of their party? A symbol complete with strings?

05-24-2005, 01:17 AM	#17 (permalink)
Hardknock Republican slayer Location: WA	But not a frat bent on..... WORLD DOMINATION!! hahahahaha