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Thermopyle · 01-23-2005, 09:37 AM

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6852171/

I have a freind that claims that the “Hook ’em, ’horns” also is a secrete sign of the skulls and bones and that bush makes the sign at more occasions than at games. I think my friend is nuts but he has a lot of pics when bush makes the “Hook ’em, ’horns” sign at numerous occasions...

Anybody knows more of this

?

Hardknock · 01-23-2005, 05:26 PM

Makes sense. Bush couldn't care less about other cultures. He doesn't know he pissed off the Norwegian's nor does he care.

He's too busy trying to "spread freedom around the world!"

Fourtyrulz · 01-23-2005, 07:13 PM

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That’s what it means in the Nordics when you throw up the right hand with the index and pinky fingers raised, a gesture popular among heavy metal groups and their fans in the region.

Hell, I throw the horns instead of waving sometimes...maybe the Bush family are a bunch of closet metalheads?! Can you imagine Dick Cheney and Bush air guitaring to Rain in Blood on a little boom box in the Oval Office?

SSSLLLAAAYYYERRR!!!! |\m/| ( - - ) |\m/|

RogueHunter65 · 01-23-2005, 08:47 PM

I am not sure if the hook 'em horns has anything to with the Skull and Bones society. But regarding the organization I have an interesting link that you might find intriguing.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/...in576332.shtml

If the Skull and Bones society is present at that Texan school then I would say that maybe their use of the hand sign and saying has their origins in the Skull and Bones.

trickyy · 01-23-2005, 09:48 PM

skull and bones is certainly great for networking, but i think tales of world domination have been exaggerated a bit

Thermopyle · 01-24-2005, 09:30 AM

I've concluded...my friend is a nutcase. Even if it is a secret hand sign, waht does it matters? And why would he do it all the time if it's secret?!

Locobot · 01-24-2005, 10:35 AM

The Bush's are required to give this hand salute as part of their pact with SATAN!

c172g · 01-24-2005, 12:20 PM

It's long known that the Bush's are involved in Skull & Bones, but who cares? It's a secret society like the Masons or any frat. I was in a frat in college, we had a "secret" handshake, but anybody who saw us shaking hands could figure it out. Let them have their fun...

appleseed · 01-24-2005, 01:19 PM

We were nearly guaranteed a president who was a member of Skull and Bones in this last election as both Bush and Kerry were members at Yale.

drakers · 01-24-2005, 07:16 PM

Bush doesn't have the brains to know how to make a secret sign. He was probably trying to do the "shocker" and he failed horribly.

Redlemon · 01-25-2005, 09:22 AM

Do we have any examples of non-Texan Bonesmen throwing the devil horns?

Sargeman · 01-25-2005, 09:47 AM

I worry about some of you guys, that is the Hookem Horns sign and has been for the last hundred years or so. It didn't become a devil sign until what? the 60's?

Edit: Let me add that I don't know if any of this is correct but it serves my argument even if I did just make it up

Thermopyle · 01-25-2005, 10:00 AM

Well, you see what you wish to see.

Fourtyrulz · 01-25-2005, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Sargeman

I worry about some of you guys, that is the Hookem Horns sign and has been for the last hundred years or so. It didn't become a devil sign until what? the 60's?

Edit: Let me add that I don't know if any of this is correct but it serves my argument even if I did just make it up

I heard a good story about the devil horns in a speech someone gave once. Apparently Ronnie James Dio had this aunt who grew up in Italy and, whenever Dio was acting up, would flash him the "evil eyes" |\m/|. Dio was sick of throwing fists or peace signs or whatever crap he does it his concerts, and started throwing up the "evil eye"! It caught on...and now anyone from Britney Spears to Dubya does it.

I have no idea if it's true but it's still a pretty cool story.

archer2371 · 01-25-2005, 11:41 AM

Interesting...I didn't realize that my mom and millions of other UT grads were members of the Skull and Bones society...Oh, btw, since I heard that "Hook 'em" pisses off Norway, I do it more, just because they're being overly sensitive about a college handsign.

Another thing, my guess is that Norway rreeeaallllyyy hated the Rose Bowl, along with Michigan.

Redlemon · 01-25-2005, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Sargeman

I worry about some of you guys, that is the Hookem Horns sign and has been for the last hundred years or so. It didn't become a devil sign until what? the 60's?

Edit: Let me add that I don't know if any of this is correct but it serves my argument even if I did just make it up

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Originally Posted by archer2371

Interesting...I didn't realize that my mom and millions of other UT grads were members of the Skull and Bones society...Oh, btw, since I heard that "Hook 'em" pisses off Norway, I do it more, just because they're being overly sensitive about a college handsign.

Another thing, my guess is that Norway rreeeaallllyyy hated the Rose Bowl, along with Michigan.

Amazing to see how important Texas thinks itself is.

Do you really think Norway pays attention to US College football?

Willravel · 01-25-2005, 01:06 PM

http://skullandcrossbones.org/articl...llandbones.htm

Interesting page. I found it by googling "proof bush skull bones". Whether it is real, and whether it is important or not remains to be seen.

Carno · 01-25-2005, 07:53 PM

Who cares what the Norwegians think, his daughter flashed the horns in Washington, not Norway. I wouldn't say the gesture was inappropriate in the least seeing as how Jenna Bush made the gesture as the Longhorn marching band passed by, in Washington.

The Nords are just showing their ignorance by being offended by that.

Willravel · 01-25-2005, 08:35 PM

I'd like to see the Bush girls flash something else: a shread of intelligence. You thought I was going to say breasts? Nah, too obvious.

Fourtyrulz · 01-25-2005, 09:30 PM

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The Nords are just showing their ignorance by being offended by that.

Given the Norwegians history with church burnings, ritualistic killings, and satanic black metal nazis I would be offended too. It'd be almost like another country being oblivious to wearing klan robes, and the US being offended.

Redlemon · 01-26-2005, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Fourtyrulz

Given the Norwegians history with church burnings, ritualistic killings, and satanic black metal nazis I would be offended too. It'd be almost like another country being oblivious to wearing klan robes, and the US being offended.

Or, as a current example, people in the US being offended when a Hindu uses a swastika (see this NPR report). The Hindus used swastikas for thousands of years as a positive religious symbol, but everyone else associates it with the evil of the Nazis.

frogza · 01-26-2005, 10:56 AM

I imagine that the common Norwegian has enough sense to see this for what it was. The Bush family did it to support Texas State as their marching band went by, period, end of story. The article explains that the newpaper that ran the story explained what was happening and that it is a sign of support for a university, not a satanic sign. This is yet another case of media hype, MSN took a none issue and made a story of it.

There are so many cultures in the world that if a person decided to never do or say anything that could be interpreted in the wrong way, they wouldn't be able to do anything but stand in a quiet little corner with their hands to their sides. (Although that may offend someone as well)

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Or, as a current example, people in the US being offended when a Hindu uses a swastika (see this NPR report). The Hindus used swastikas for thousands of years as a positive religious symbol, but everyone else associates it with the evil of the Nazis

Another example: In Chile, holding your hand out in a cupped shape is very offensive, roughly equal to the middle finger here.

Fourtyrulz · 01-26-2005, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Redlemon

Or, as a current example, people in the US being offended when a Hindu uses a swastika (see this NPR report). The Hindus used swastikas for thousands of years as a positive religious symbol, but everyone else associates it with the evil of the Nazis.

In 5th grade I had a House of Blues shirt with all sorts of religious and spiritual symbols on the back, in addition to having the said "swastika". The administration made me turn the shirt inside out. What the fuck is up with that?? Even as a 5th grader I knew the difference.

It's amazing how one group of people can adopt such a positive symbol and make it cast in a negative light...IMO almost how Christianity is working the cross lately.

he_haha · 01-29-2005, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Hardknock

Makes sense. Bush couldn't care less about other cultures. He doesn't know he pissed off the Norwegian's nor does he care.

He's too busy trying to "spread freedom around the world!"

Is the President of the USA supposed to worry about how a non offensive had signal is recieved by the rest of the world?

I believe there are bigger things for him to worry about.

If you were to offer your left hand to a person from India they would be terribly offended even if you had no knowledge of their culture.

It is a harmless gesture, it doesn't mean anything offensive.

MSD · 01-30-2005, 07:57 PM

I missed something here. Why the hell are Norwegians offended by this?

Fourtyrulz · 01-30-2005, 08:43 PM

Not to trying to be a total bastard by quoting myself but....

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Originally Posted by Fourtyrulz

Given the Norwegians history with church burnings, ritualistic killings, and satanic black metal nazis I would be offended too. It'd be almost like another country being oblivious to wearing klan robes, and the US being offended.

Xenomorph · 01-30-2005, 11:28 PM

In Italy, the 'horns' is an obscene gesture that means something to the effect of 'bullshit'.

I hadn't heard the story about Dio, but that's possible.

ICER · 01-31-2005, 01:29 AM

I saw it when it happened. I didn't think anything about it. until today when my youngest son came up and told me that the hook'em horns sign was almost identical to a Satanic sign, you just have to hold the fingers farther apart. When I asked him where he heard such a lame story. he said (and I quote) "On TV"

Maybe there is something to the study that watching TV lowers your IQ. I know listening to the mass media does.

mmiller0617 · 01-31-2005, 11:50 AM

The problem with all of this is the simple fact that the Hook Em Horns and the metalhead Satanic hand thing are different hand gestures. The Hook Em Horns, you take your thumb and put it over your middle and ring finger to indicate the head of Bevo, the school mascot. Whereas the metalhead sign is thumb out, normally.
The picture they first showed in the paper talking about the Norway connection was not the Hook Em Horns. Although in the background someone was doing it properly.

Thermopyle · 01-31-2005, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MrSelfDestruct

I missed something here. Why the hell are Norwegians offended by this?

This is the stupid part: They didnt.

MSNBC blew up a quasi story from a norwegian newspaper. I doubt that any norwegian ever though Bush was saluting the devil.

Fourtyrulz · 01-31-2005, 04:56 PM

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Whereas the metalhead sign is thumb out, normally.

Whoa, whoa there....being a metalhead since 5th grade I can honestly tell you I have never known ANYONE who put the thumb out. Seriously man, gotta keep the thumbs in.

KCMadcow · 02-19-2005, 11:20 PM

thumb and pinky is "hang loose". I think it's originally Hawaiian, adopted into surf culture. I'm not sure, but I think the two fingers and thumb were from Beavis and Butthead. And I'm offended that someone talked about the devil. No, I'm not really. I just felt left out that I never got offended at any of this.

webfiend · 02-19-2005, 11:43 PM

index finger out, pinky out, thumb out = "I love you" in American Sign Language.

Hampshire · 02-24-2005, 09:33 PM

the movie, the skulls, is based on those dudes

byesman · 03-16-2005, 07:32 AM

I am going with John Lennon on being the inventor of the sign:

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/bla...wsitemID=32936

Stompy · 03-16-2005, 09:49 AM

Lennon is doing it backwards, and I don't think he's doing it in the "Heavy Metal!" sense.

Isn't that a symbol for love if it's done backwards?

cowgirl02 · 04-11-2005, 11:10 AM

I think that people take things the wrong way all the time just so it gives them a reason to start spreading rumors about someone, it even says in the article that the Texas marching band was walking by when they did it and hello....THEY ARE FROM TEXAS!!!! C'mon people need to stop critisizing(sp) others for little things, i mean do you really think that Bush is worshiping satan? Different countries have different meanings for a lot of things its just the culture and i think that if you dont know the REAL TRUTH and have proof of it then you need to just be QUIET and quit trying to make a big deal of NOTHING!!!!

Munku · 04-14-2005, 11:22 PM

http://www.prisonplanet.com/010104kerryadmits.html

http://www.prisonplanet.com/111803skullandbones.html

http://www.indybay.org/uploads/skullandbones56k.rm

01-23-2005, 09:37 AM	#1 (permalink)
Thermopyle Crazy Location: Top of the World, Mom!	GW Bush and "skulls and bones" http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6852171/ I have a freind that claims that the “Hook ’em, ’horns” also is a secrete sign of the skulls and bones and that bush makes the sign at more occasions than at games. I think my friend is nuts but he has a lot of pics when bush makes the “Hook ’em, ’horns” sign at numerous occasions... Anybody knows more of this ? __________________ Live life like you're gonna die, beacause you're gonna! - William Shatner.

01-23-2005, 08:47 PM	#4 (permalink)
RogueHunter65 Insane Location: Boston, MA	I am not sure if the hook 'em horns has anything to with the Skull and Bones society. But regarding the organization I have an interesting link that you might find intriguing. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/...in576332.shtml If the Skull and Bones society is present at that Texan school then I would say that maybe their use of the hand sign and saying has their origins in the Skull and Bones. __________________ I suffer from amnesia and deja vu at the same time... I think I have forgotten this before

01-24-2005, 09:30 AM	#6 (permalink)
Thermopyle Crazy Location: Top of the World, Mom!	I've concluded...my friend is a nutcase. Even if it is a secret hand sign, waht does it matters? And why would he do it all the time if it's secret?! __________________ Live life like you're gonna die, beacause you're gonna! - William Shatner.

01-25-2005, 09:22 AM	#11 (permalink)
Redlemon Devoted Donor Location: New England	Do we have any examples of non-Texan Bonesmen throwing the devil horns? __________________ I can't read your signature. Sorry.

01-25-2005, 09:47 AM	#12 (permalink)
Sargeman Insane Location: Texas	I worry about some of you guys, that is the Hookem Horns sign and has been for the last hundred years or so. It didn't become a devil sign until what? the 60's? Edit: Let me add that I don't know if any of this is correct but it serves my argument even if I did just make it up __________________ ...because there are no facts, there is no truth, just data to be manipulated. I can get you any results you like, what's it worth to you..... Last edited by Sargeman; 01-25-2005 at 10:22 AM..

01-23-2005, 05:26 PM	#2 (permalink)
Hardknock Republican slayer Location: WA	Makes sense. Bush couldn't care less about other cultures. He doesn't know he pissed off the Norwegian's nor does he care. He's too busy trying to "spread freedom around the world!"

01-23-2005, 09:48 PM	#5 (permalink)
trickyy ►	skull and bones is certainly great for networking, but i think tales of world domination have been exaggerated a bit

01-24-2005, 10:35 AM	#7 (permalink)
Locobot is awesome!	The Bush's are required to give this hand salute as part of their pact with SATAN!

01-24-2005, 12:20 PM	#8 (permalink)
c172g Crazy Location: Michigan	It's long known that the Bush's are involved in Skull & Bones, but who cares? It's a secret society like the Masons or any frat. I was in a frat in college, we had a "secret" handshake, but anybody who saw us shaking hands could figure it out. Let them have their fun...

01-24-2005, 01:19 PM	#9 (permalink)
appleseed Tilted Location: Wisconsin	We were nearly guaranteed a president who was a member of Skull and Bones in this last election as both Bush and Kerry were members at Yale.

01-24-2005, 07:16 PM	#10 (permalink)
drakers Psycho Location: IOWA	Bush doesn't have the brains to know how to make a secret sign. He was probably trying to do the "shocker" and he failed horribly.

01-25-2005, 10:00 AM	#13 (permalink)
Thermopyle Crazy Location: Top of the World, Mom!	Well, you see what you wish to see. __________________ Live life like you're gonna die, beacause you're gonna! - William Shatner.

01-25-2005, 11:41 AM	#15 (permalink)
archer2371 Sarge of Blood Gulch Red Outpost Number One Location: On the front lines against our very enemy	Interesting...I didn't realize that my mom and millions of other UT grads were members of the Skull and Bones society...Oh, btw, since I heard that "Hook 'em" pisses off Norway, I do it more, just because they're being overly sensitive about a college handsign. Another thing, my guess is that Norway rreeeaallllyyy hated the Rose Bowl, along with Michigan. __________________ "This ain't no Ice Cream Social!" "Hey Grif, Chupathingy...how bout that? I like it...got a ring to it." "I have no earthly idea what it is I just saw, or what this place is, or where in the hell O'Malley is! My only choice is to blame Grif for coming up with such a flawed plan. Stupid, stupid Grif." Last edited by archer2371; 01-25-2005 at 11:53 AM..

01-25-2005, 01:06 PM	#17 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	http://skullandcrossbones.org/articl...llandbones.htm Interesting page. I found it by googling "proof bush skull bones". Whether it is real, and whether it is important or not remains to be seen.

01-25-2005, 07:53 PM	#18 (permalink)
Carno Junkie	Who cares what the Norwegians think, his daughter flashed the horns in Washington, not Norway. I wouldn't say the gesture was inappropriate in the least seeing as how Jenna Bush made the gesture as the Longhorn marching band passed by, in Washington. The Nords are just showing their ignorance by being offended by that.

01-25-2005, 08:35 PM	#19 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	I'd like to see the Bush girls flash something else: a shread of intelligence. You thought I was going to say breasts? Nah, too obvious.

01-30-2005, 07:57 PM	#25 (permalink)
MSD The sky calls to us ... Super Moderator Location: CT	I missed something here. Why the hell are Norwegians offended by this?

01-30-2005, 11:28 PM	#27 (permalink)
Xenomorph Crazy Location: St. Louis, MO	In Italy, the 'horns' is an obscene gesture that means something to the effect of 'bullshit'. I hadn't heard the story about Dio, but that's possible. __________________ The facehugger is short-lived outside the egg which normally protects it. Armed with a long grasping tail, a spray of highly-concentrated acid and the single-minded desire to impregnate a single selected prey using its extending probe, it will fearlessly pursue and attack a single selected target until it has succeeded in attachment or it or its target is dead

01-31-2005, 01:29 AM	#28 (permalink)
ICER Chilled to Perfection Location: Dallas, TX	I saw it when it happened. I didn't think anything about it. until today when my youngest son came up and told me that the hook'em horns sign was almost identical to a Satanic sign, you just have to hold the fingers farther apart. When I asked him where he heard such a lame story. he said (and I quote) "On TV" Maybe there is something to the study that watching TV lowers your IQ. I know listening to the mass media does. __________________ What's the difference between congress and a penitentiary? One is filled with tax evaders, blackmailers and threats to society. The other is for housing prisoners. ~~David Letterman Last edited by ICER; 01-31-2005 at 01:31 AM.. Reason: spelling

01-31-2005, 11:50 AM	#29 (permalink)
mmiller0617 Upright Location: Silver Spring, MD	The problem with all of this is the simple fact that the Hook Em Horns and the metalhead Satanic hand thing are different hand gestures. The Hook Em Horns, you take your thumb and put it over your middle and ring finger to indicate the head of Bevo, the school mascot. Whereas the metalhead sign is thumb out, normally. The picture they first showed in the paper talking about the Norway connection was not the Hook Em Horns. Although in the background someone was doing it properly.

02-19-2005, 11:20 PM	#32 (permalink)
KCMadcow Upright	thumb and pinky is "hang loose". I think it's originally Hawaiian, adopted into surf culture. I'm not sure, but I think the two fingers and thumb were from Beavis and Butthead. And I'm offended that someone talked about the devil. No, I'm not really. I just felt left out that I never got offended at any of this.

02-19-2005, 11:43 PM	#33 (permalink)
webfiend Insane Location: Seattle?	index finger out, pinky out, thumb out = "I love you" in American Sign Language.

02-24-2005, 09:33 PM	#34 (permalink)
Hampshire Crazy	the movie, the skulls, is based on those dudes

03-16-2005, 07:32 AM	#35 (permalink)
byesman Crazy Location: Byesville	I am going with John Lennon on being the inventor of the sign: http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/bla...wsitemID=32936 __________________ If after I depart this vale you ever remember me and have thought to please my ghost, forgive some sinner, and wink your eye at some homely girl. H.L. Mencken

03-16-2005, 09:49 AM	#36 (permalink)
Stompy Banned from being Banned Location: Donkey	Lennon is doing it backwards, and I don't think he's doing it in the "Heavy Metal!" sense. Isn't that a symbol for love if it's done backwards? __________________ I love lamp.

04-11-2005, 11:10 AM	#37 (permalink)
cowgirl02 Tilted Location: Dallas, Texas	I think that people take things the wrong way all the time just so it gives them a reason to start spreading rumors about someone, it even says in the article that the Texas marching band was walking by when they did it and hello....THEY ARE FROM TEXAS!!!! C'mon people need to stop critisizing(sp) others for little things, i mean do you really think that Bush is worshiping satan? Different countries have different meanings for a lot of things its just the culture and i think that if you dont know the REAL TRUTH and have proof of it then you need to just be QUIET and quit trying to make a big deal of NOTHING!!!! __________________ "If you judge people, you have no time to love them"- Mother Theresa No man or woman is worth your tears, and the one who is, won't make you cry. Never frown, even when you are sad, because you never know who is falling in love with your smile. *Don't waste your time on a man/woman, who isn't willing to waste their time on you.

04-14-2005, 11:22 PM	#38 (permalink)
Munku Lost Location: Florida	http://www.prisonplanet.com/010104kerryadmits.html http://www.prisonplanet.com/111803skullandbones.html http://www.indybay.org/uploads/skullandbones56k.rm Last edited by Munku; 04-14-2005 at 11:26 PM..