Crack

http://www.americanantigravity.com/index.shtml

Looks really cool, they claim to have built antigravity devices. Can someone who is smarter than me please explain WTF are these things and how do they work?
...Cool videos on the site as well.
~Crack

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mastboy4

are you for real, ive got to check this site up

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geodaro

Anti gravity is just othe opposite of gravity. In other, simpler, words.....it's simply the deacceleration of a body with mass at a rate equal to the inverse of 9.81 meters per second (squared). With that in mind, remember if gravity meets anti-gravity in a head on collision at the speed of light, absolutely nothing happens! Chew on that for awhile!

Crack

Yeah, thanks, I know what Anti-gravity is... (there's one in every thread...) I want to know how these things work, the on-line documentation dosen't really say much.

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sipsake

Wired had a great article on lifters...

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/1...ic=&topic_set=

What makes lifters fly?

The simplest answer comes from antigravity debunkers. When I call university physicists to ask how these things work, they bark with laughter at the idea that it's antigravity.

The propulsive force, they say, has a simpler explanation: ion wind.

When the current enters the wires ringing the top of the lifter, electrons race off to ionize the surrounding air. The ions are attracted to the foil skirt and race down, smacking into neutral molecules and generating a downward-moving breeze.

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Journeyman

Yeah I read that article back when it first came out (I think on /.). The part that sticks out in my mind: Anti-gravity should function regardless of atmosphere. These anti-gravity contraptions do not (experimented with in a bell jar vacuum).

geodaro

Think about it crackprogram, if the on-line documentation (ie. advertisement) doesn't say much, there probably isn't much to say (your right...there is one in every thread, sometimes they even start one!)

Crack

Ouch, that was cold... I don't think the site sells very much stuff, it's mostly a look what I did! site... and I am sure there IS much to say, just read the posts above, (geez, I got 2 in this thread) I am not being mean, I am just making a point of not being "slamed" about asking a question... enough of that rant.
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Thanks for the article sipsake, this passage kinda sums up the site (www.americanantigravity.com)
Quote:
Until the late '90s, when Brown's work was revived by Jeff Cameron, a NASA subcontractor in Huntsville, Alabama. He'd noticed similar twitching movement in capacitors and, recalling a mention of the Biefeld-Brown effect in a college physics class, hunted down some of Brown's patents. Cameron wanted something that would fly, to dramatically illustrate the force. He chose balsa wood for lightness and a three-sided shape for sturdiness. When he fired high voltage through it, it jumped into the air, and the lifter was born. In June 2001, Cameron posted pictures of his setup online.

Which is how Tim Ventura heard about it - and turned lifters into a global phenomenon.

"I think that being slightly nuts is part of this whole subculture," Ventura says.

He sits at his workbench amid a pile of electronic parts, squinting at a burnt fuse. We're in his garage near Seattle, the world headquarters of the lifter movement. Ventura - a squat 27-year-old computer engineer who favors cowboy boots - runs AmericanAntigravity.com, a Web site devoted to collecting flight videos and theorizing about lifters. While unemployed last summer, he built "probably more lifters than anyone on the planet" and wrote a step-by-step guide to constructing the toys (see "How to Build Your Own Lifter" on preceding page). More than a million fans have flocked to his site, and hundreds have contacted him to report their own successful flights. News crews from the Discovery Channel to Nippon TV have traveled here to film Ventura's lab, making him the public face of antigravity - the Linus Torvalds, as it were, of lifters.

~Crack

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Okay, are we really talking about anti-gravity here or is this just a form of weightlessness. Anti-gravity is impossible on Earth right? My understanding was that the Earth has to much mass for any man made object to cancel out the pull that Earth has.

If this is just weightlessness than that can be simulated fairly simply.

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Antigravity is not impossible. You just need to generate a magnetic field powerful enough to counter balance the 9.8m/s that is constant from earth's field.

I'll do some searching-- they have already levitated plastics and organics. Things no bigger than spiders baby frogs, ping pong balls, etc. The main thing being that the machine is as big as a factory yet creates a void of gravity the size of a 12 oz can of coke.

The amount of energy with current technology to lift non metallics such as plastics and organics is some absurd high amount in the area of powering a small city.

MSD

I remember an article years ago in Popular Mechanics about an antigravity device that reduced gravity above the spot where the device was tested by spinning a ceramic magnet disc over a superconductor coil.

The interesting thing that they found was that, in addition to reducing gravity immediately above the device, it effectively "blocked" part of the earth's gravitational pull in a column dircetly above the device as high as they could measure.

Another interesting effect was that the effect could be multiplied by stacking more then one of the devices.

erion

I remember seeing something about those gravity-defying superconductors on one of the discovery-type channels a few years ago. They're extremely cool, except for the fact that once you get the superconductors more than a few degrees above absolute zero they crash to the ground like lead weights.

Now, if someone were to develop an ambient-temperature superconductor that would kick ass.

As for that website in the first post, I call bullshit. Ion drive <> Antigravity.

skier

I think i'm going to build one of these lifters, the cells are quite simple and i have a few old monitors kickin around. Pictures when i;m done!

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sipsake

You seem to be confusing gravity and a magnetic field. They are two separate and distinct forces. 9.8 m/s/s is the acceleration of a falling body due to the force of gravity, it has nothing to do with the earth's magnetic field.

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thebpem

Antigravitiy is impossible, since everything exerts a force on everything else in the universe. And the universal gravity constant is 6.67 x 10^-11, factor in masses of planets and you still get a large force.

fik

"Antigravity is impossible" I'm sorry but that is a very narrowminded statement. I can't go into all that scientific equation crap to prove you wrong, but.
We have and understand this technology and use it, and many other advanced energy and propulsion technologies. However it is being kept secret from the public to protect the oil, gas, coal, public utility and nuclear power industries, in which is VERY profitable.
http://www.seaspower.com/EnergyDisclosureDec122003.htm
http://www.disclosureproject.com/

Anti-gravity propulsion is the main technology to achieve instellar travel used by 'ET's'. Thousands of times faster than the speed of light. I have no idea how it works, becuase, well, it's being kept secret.

Now I can already tell some people are gonna post with another narrowminded statement, "ET's are not real you gullible half-wit" pfft prove it. Being too conservative won't get you anywhere, even if you are an Einstein.

Flame away...

BentNotTwisted

No flaming here, but I would like to see more information to back up your statements other than a couple of links to sites that advocate disclosure. Have you personally seen this technology in use? Do you have reference material with credible witnesses who have worked on or witnessed this technology? You say "We have and understand this technology and use it, and many other advanced energy and propulsion technologies." Please detail how you can state this as fact and not merely opinion.

fik

Please take a look into this link thats in my first post. It backs up everything I've said, and answers your questions. Cept for me actually witnessing myself, which I haven't.

http://www.disclosureproject.com/

"We have over 400 government, military, and intelligence community witnesses testifying to their direct, personal, first hand experience with UFOs, ETs, ET technology, and the cover-up that keeps this information secret." - From the front page

http://www.topsecrettestimony.com/npcc_full.wmv
Here is the very short version video of some testimonies (two hours), they have pictures, documents, etc.

Good stuff.

insidious_machinae

Lifters do exist, and they really do work.

Is it antigravity? No.

todd

This is pretty intersting stuff. I'm tempted to try out the tutorial they have on building one...seems too simple though... Has anyone tryed this? My only problem is getting ahold of a monitor that I can take apart, and I'm a little..scared..to mess with that amount of electricity. Also, does the PDF work for you guys? I'm having trouble viewing pictures on it. I wish he had it in something other than PDF format...

http://www.americanantigravity.com/lifterplans.html

-Todd

EDIT: nevermind, all I had to do was scroll down for additional formats

EDIT2: I've ben looking around a website linked to from that site:

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/lftbld.htm

I found a video of what your "lifter" should do that it explains how to build in about 20 minutes or so. The video looks pretty authentic....

http://jlnlabs.imars.com/lifters/videos/liftbas.rm

What do you guys think? I guess the only way to know for sure is to try it. Maybe I will

TheKak

Real anti-gravity flight is probably going to happen about the same time speed of light travel happens. Which means never. People have been claiming to have built anti-gravity machines for a long long time, and still zero proof has been put forth to show that it is actual anti-gravity and not some other phenominon (like ion wind). I am going to build a lifter though, neato~

And on a side note, the burden of proof lies on the person attempting to prove the existence of something, as it is impossible to prove the non-existence of anything.

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Raptor20561

oh man, i cant wait till they make skateboard like the ones in "Back to the Future" could they make those with "lifters" or watever u guys are talking about? that would be pretty crazy...

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Hey Raptor let me know how it works for you

www.futurehorizons.net/hoverboard.htm

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forgotten_dream

Freakin awesome! I want to build one of those now!

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iamnormal

Here is a product that works like the lifter http://www.sharperimage.com/us/en/ca...l?sku=SI637SNX

cait987

Anti-Gravity is an interested and complicated feet however my question is what will it be for? in the time it would take to finally get a decent anti-gravity machine working properly we could follow through with bushes moon base plans and not need it since the atmosphere is pretty thin on the moon.

Other then that what use is the machine?

oh ya btw the hoverboard looks sweet if I ever have 500 spare dollars im getting me one

Johnny Rotten

That second link sent me on a ride into the most bizarre reading I've done in quite a while. Illuminati, the reptile race, free energy, the holographic prison, all the hoary old campfire tales. This page, however, takes the cake. There's that classic picture, then the nidex on the middle left that reads like a condesation of completely delusion.

Plus, the Disclosure Project video wasn't "done" by the National Press Club. The NPC rents out conference rooms all the time to whoever wants one.

Oh, man, there's more classic material there. Take this wondrous account. Here's an excerpt:

"The reptilian millennial agenda, later written in the Protocol of the Learned Elders of Zion, is constantly refined and updated in high-level secret meetings, not covered by the media, such as the meetings of the Trilateral Commission and the G8. In its external manifestation this dark agenda is subtly translated or adapted to the masses as the social “norm” by which are conducted business, sciences, officially accepted religions, social relationships, and the international political conflicts. It underlines what is socially accepted, what is allowed to talk and write about, etc. This norm is continually presented and promoted by the news, the media in general, the education, etc., to continue perpetrating the virtual holographic reality, which resembles the “Holodeck” of the known television series Star Trek. The holographic reality is in the mind of the inhabitants of the planet throughout the continuous bombardment of the norm, I repeat, by experts approved by the establishment."

Oh, man. I love the Internet.

The lesson here? Putting one secret behind a door will convince people that all of their pet secrets are behind that door as well. And no one even knows what the original secret was, eventually, ruining the entire exercise.

NoseyJoe

that would be awesome! i wonder if they are thinking about it just to test what might happen on a mission to mars . . .

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