Tully Mars

That's extremely insulting to people of the Muslim faith. We have members of this forum who are Muslim. I wouldn't let them call Jesus a pedophile any more then I will allow you to make such unsupported claims regarding Islamic teachings.

Consider this your one warning.

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dippin

Jews worship Jesus?

dlish

they do. those assholes loves little boys just a little less than priests.

its ironic that you think that christians that commit atrocities in the name of their religion are not christians, but muslims who do are fulfilling their their religious obligation.

if god didnt create homosexuality, then why are these muslims and priests boy-lovers then?

surely jesus, a loving, compassionate god, lord and saviour came to save all humanity and not just christians and jews. did he not?

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longliveusa

Buddy you need to go Read the Constitution and obey it.
Gun control is Anti Human Rights. Gun control lead to the slaughter of the Jews/Christians/NonAyrans and Non Muslims. Dictators world wide love gun control.
China has gun control and has run down students with tanks who were protesting for freedom of speech. Now China has banned tv shows with the time travel theme.
Gun control helped Syria gun down protestors.
Hitler and KKK both loved gun control. gun control made it easy for the kkk to lynch people who were not blond haired and blue eyed But its just Hope and Change.

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Its ironic you back gun control aka Jew/black control but you have a picture of a person with a gun in your avatar.

dlish

i can only assume he's talking about Jews for Jesus.

Jews for Jesus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

but then again, you cant assume anything here in this argument.

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longliveusa

i love when liberals Attack America and defend Islam but hey i cant wait to post these comments on Youtube

Tully Mars

You might find a larger audience over on youtube for your nonsense... I suggest you go there now. You could even stay there. Just a thought.

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Baraka_Guru

longliveusa, I thought you worshiped Jesus.... Don't you follow his teachings?

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longliveusa

the teaching of Jesus do not say be a slave

dlish

firstly im not your buddy.

secondly, im not an american so im not bound by your constitution. i have no reason to obey it. nor will i.

thirdly have you even been to Syria? or even know how it's government works and why things that are happening are happening? have you travelled outside of your state?

fourthly, if you really wanted security and safety, you should go live in the middle east. you have no idea what you're talking about. thats the safest area ive ever travelled to...and guess what? no guns!

fifthly, you shouldnt assume that im a pro or anti gun control because i enlighted you on a fact. GWB did some great work too. It doesnt mean i agree with everything he did.

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Tully Mars

Ok I'll bite... where did he say that?

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longliveusa

Tully Mars why do you Mexicans let the government ban guns yet let all the violence go on? Why is the Mexican Government trying to sue US Gun Manufactures but not fighting against the drug cartels

Tully Mars

Since I'm not Mexican, yet another conclusion you jumped to in error, I really can't answer that question.

Going tell me where and how "the teaching of Jesus do not say be a slave?"

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longliveusa

Gun control is slavery you are the one who need to go study History.
they had gun control at Va Tech and 32 students + a Jewish Professor as well as a survivor of the Holocaust died yep those gun free zones sure do work
Dad who split up fight MacDonald's shot dead - in UK
Dad who split up fight in McDonald's shot dead - mirror.co.uk More gun control
America has 20,000 Plus gun control laws and the most violent cities are the ones with gun control laws
Prohibition was supposed to stop crime and but it only increased crime and shootouts which killed police and civilians.
Swiss just recently had a Referendum about putting gun control in place and it totally failed
Japanese Admiral Stated you can not invade America cause behind every blade of grass their would be a gun
Canada has a Multi Billion gun registration program but its failing and the Canadians are Pi**ed off about the control freaks

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Funny your Profile Location says you are in Mexico
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Jesus was about freedom from slavery

dlish

i think he said it here

James 1:1 "...a SLAVE of God and of the Lord JESUS CHRIST...".

and here

Romans 1:1 "From Paul, a bond SLAVE of JESUS CHRIST (the Messiah)..."

and here

Ephesians 6:6 "..but as servants (SLAVES) of CHRIST, doing the will of God heartily and with your whole soul."

and here

Deuteronomy 23:15-16: "Thou shalt not deliver unto his master the servant which is escaped from his master unto thee."

and here

Luke 12:45-48: "The lord [owner] of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more."

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Tully Mars

Ok I get it... It's opposite day! Yeah! Could explain why you need to the learn and follow the US Constitution and I'm Mexican.

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longliveusa

More liberal lies

dlish

and here

Ephesians 6:5-9: "Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ; Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart; With good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men: Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free. And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him."

the way i see it, jesus is telling his followers to BE slaves. make up yor mind longliveusa

i could go on, but knit-picking textural references is asinine.

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Tully Mars

I've also lived in Japan, Hong Kong, Africa, Korea, Indonesia and have spent considerable time in several other countries. Doesn't make me Asian, African or Mexican.

So if Jesus was about freedom from slavery, being all knowing about history and religions, you should have no problem finding some quotes to source.

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longliveusa

Poor liberal who hates freedom and loves White Power started gun control

Tully Mars

More ill informed, uneducated conservative misinformation.

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longliveusa

no that's liberal misinformation.
Buy Liberals loved Racist gun control laws Like Robert Byrd/Ted Kennedy but he also loved abusing women. But that's not a shocker a kennedy was booted out of England for aiding Hitler.
Gun control really works so well in fact that All Dictators started with the aid of gun control. And the Swiss loved gun control much they voted against the recent Proposal to control guns

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Baraka_Guru

I think Jesus would disagree with your position on Islam, loveliveusa.....

But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

—Matthew 5:44

For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

—Matthew 7:2

Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

—Matthew 7:12

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Tully Mars

An ambulance rolled up - a state trooper close behind
Tweeter took his gun away and messed up his mind...

Elvis has left the building.

Night all.

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longliveusa

how am i flaming people?????? explain

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well its apparent this forum hates freedom why waste time on this topic when the people have already formed their opinion from the liberal media!!!!

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Thus far you haven't -that's why I said you're bordering on it. But you've gotten close. You've made derogatory comments that are close to the line but don't cross it. So long as you continue to stay on the right side, you'll be able to continue the discussion. Fail in that task and you'll quickly find yourself outside.

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dlish

wasnt jesus a muslim? i could have sworn they taught you that in Quran sunday school in the Madrassas of Rajastan

longliveusa, the aim isnt to win people over to 'your side'..we're not the lost sheep of the house of Israel that jesus refers to. its all about discussion and an exchange of ideas. if you have another topic we would be happy to discuss

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Willravel

I like to think if Jesus existed he was a Buddhist, but that's not important.

Getting back on track, the NRA has to bear some serious responsibility for the unnecessary armament of American conservatives by scaring up paranoia every time a Democrat gets elected president. Despite evidence to the contrary, they insist that fundamental changes in gun control, perhaps even outright bans, are just around the corner (and insinuate that following the gun control, the government will do something terrible like interning citizens or political killings), and so gun culture people go out and buy a ton of ammo and guns. It's likely amazing for arms traders and retailers, but for the rest of us, the people who aren't in gun culture, it's disconcerting.

Beyond that, there's revolutionary talk in the dialog that comes and goes. Because lunatics like Beck and his ilk that have a lot of attention, we're hearing a lot about armed resistance against some vague oppressor. Obama getting elected coincided with a massive increase in American militia activity, take from that what you will. We have people showing up to town hall meetings heavily armed. Politically motivated crimes, including domestic terrorism, are up.

There's an element of paranoia to the threat topic, but it's not entirely disconnected from reality.

Baraka_Guru

You mean like this, Will?

NRA chief says Obama re-election threatens guns rights|Arkansas News(Emphases mine)

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KirStang

Jesus, owning guns doesn't automatically equate to 'red-neck-rise-up-against-oppressor-with-my-kalashnikov-ness'

The Constitution reflects a healthy distrust against the concentration of power. The Second Amendment is just a further reflection of that.

And I'm not okay with random diplomats 5,000 miles away agreeing to take away my small arms over some vague notion of 'guns are bad.' Just like how the First Amendment must entail assholes like the Westboro Baptist Church poo-pooing over peoples' funerals, the Second Amendment also comes with its costs. There is also yet to be a conclusive study of gun bans and decrease in violent crime.

Many gun owners are moderates who won't scream 'hitler,' but realize injustices when they see one.

I'd also like to add that the right of self-defense transcends all this hoopla, and is supported by the UN Charter.

Finally, I'm disappointed that people will use such imprecise thinking as to equate guns = 'Right Wing Nutjob.'

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Willravel

I mean exactly like that. It's baseless fearmongering in an attempt to scare people into voting Republican and buying more guns and more ammunition. I find it deplorable, dishonest, and most of all, entirely dishonorable.

Baraka_Guru

Which post(s) are you referring to, KirStang?

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Walt

Sorta. The "Trinity" thing causes problems as does JC's death.

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Tully Mars

My point was, basically, if Jews and Christians believe in the same God so do Muslims. I think you're right to some degree but those issues arise after God creates everything. Stuff like who is the chosen messenger of God et el come in at later dates depending on the religion. And the "Trinity" thing is really only a Christian thing.

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roachboy

for what it's worth, i hardly think it's fair to assume that responses to a sequence of kinda wacky posts about from someone who appears to write from deep within the strange lands inhabited by the black helicopter set was intended--by anyone---to refer to all gun owners.

at the same time, it's also not correct to assume that simply because most folk who are in favor of few-to-no limits on gun rights are not of the black helicopter set that therefore there is no black helicopter set.

conservatives are stuck with the black helicopter set in the way others of us are stuck with the sparts.


and this is not to even begin talking about the unfortunate decision on the part of the nra to shift hard to the right for fundraising and mobilization purposes, which folk who are interested in gun ownership and belong for that reason to the nra are also stuck with.

unless you quit. which seems to me only sensible. i mean, if you want to distance yourselves from the far right. but i digress.

as for the theological questions of the differences between islam christianity and judiasm with respect to the prophet vs hypostasis question---one line is that islam came later and was able to learn quite a bit from theological incoherences of post-nicean christianity. it's closer to some of the more logically consistent "alternative" versions of christianity like pelagianism, which dispatched with all the original sin foolishness which, in turn, undercut the need for that incoherent business of the incarnation. so human beings are in control and can shape their own destinies by playing by the rules and atoning when they fuck up. not a whole lot different.

the nicean thing resulted in a conception of human beings as well-and-truly fucked because they carried around with them this nasty adam-chip and so were somehow or another responsible for original sin as a matter of essence. of course, there was no philosophy of essence without plato at the least and, as time went on, aristotle as well. the problem there is that they were also well-and-truly fucked and were therefore burning in hell. whence the harrowing, which is still my favorite little story of the easter season.

compare the versions of the fall story in the qu'ran and old testament. the former is more interesting. things follow in a straight line from there, theologically.

of course, this says little about the ways in which any of the main three book-religions have been made over culturally in order to hold together normative systems of varying degrees of repressive Achievement. but to talk about that would be, again, to digress.

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Walt

Agreed. I didn't mean to nitpick. I just had the sudden urge to contribute something to the thread without feeding the troll.

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EventHorizon

Disclaimer: i love guns and everything about them

if gun control begets violence, how is it that the US has 11,000+ gun deaths every year as opposed to Japan, which has single if not barely double digit gun deaths every year?

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Tully Mars

I really don't want to debate gun control but... everything can't just be about numbers. There are cultural differences too. Plus the Japanese, not to mention many, many other countries do not have the right to bear arms written in their constitution.

I seriously think we'd be better off focusing our efforts on factors leading to violence rather the choice of tool people choose to use when acting violently.

I'm hoping that's the last time I feel like posting on this subject here.

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