Evil Milkman

Willie Nelson, an American icon and prominent musician, goes on the Alex Jones show and says that the WTC towers were imploded.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1en0...wars.com/?p=81

"...I saw those towers fall and I seen an implosion in Las Vegas... There was too much similarities between the two. And I saw the building fall that didn't get hit by nothing. So, how naive are we? What do they think we'll go for?"

"...I saw one fall and it was just so symmetrical. And I said wait a minute I just saw that last week at a casino over in Las Vegas. And you see these implosions all the time... And the next one fell and I said, 'Hell, there's another one.' And they're trying to tell me that an airplane did that I can't go along with that."

What's everyone's take on this?

Willravel

I knew Willie Nelson was behind it.

Jinn

So he's crazy, too. Nothing new.

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Evil Milkman

Great, so let's start with ad hominem. JinnKai's got the right idea.

Willravel

Sorry about the first response, I couldn't resist.

In all seriousness, it looks like Willie Nelson is asking the right questions. At least he can be honest about it. The building 7 collapse was and is highly suspect and admitting that publicly is just honesty. Compare that to people who want to ask answers but who won't because they're afraid it'll hurt their careers.

sapiens

Why should we care about Willie Nelson's opinion on 9/11? Does he make any different arguments from those made in the existing threads about this topic? Is he qualified in any way to judge the evidence?

SSJTWIZTA

Your supposed to care about everyones opinions sapiens, didnt you pay attention in elementary school?

Who knows what happened, he might be right for all we know.

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samcol

Glad to see it. I value his opinion just because him saying it instead of someone who's not famous will expose the fraud of 9/11 to many more people. That's why it's so important for public figures to talk about such things. They have the ability to spread the message much faster because of who they are.

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sapiens

Thanks. I don't necessarily agree that 9/11 was a fraud or an "inside job", but I can see why you would appreciate his statements if you hold a similar viewpoint.

Plan9

Like Will, When I saw the title of this thread... I immediately thought:

"Shit, I KNEW that crazy old bastard was involved with the attacks."

...

He's a famous musician and owns a bio-diesel truck stop in Texas... he's not a genius, either.

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Polar

Yeah. Who cares that they have no proof and speak of their opinions as fact. Unless I missed something and he is a qualified metallurgist, trained in burn and melt variances.

Because the majority of those trained in such things disagree with ol' Willie.
But who cares. He famous.

MSD

He's entitled to his opinions, but just as unqualified to speak with authority on the subject as most others who do.

Ustwo

Well if our highly educated entertainers know something was wrong because they saw a controlled demolition in Vegas, who am I to call him a bitter old idiot who hasn't forgiven the government on that whole tax evasion thing.

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Evil Milkman

Sapiens, my goal here was to present an opinion of a world reknown entertainer, nothing else. Perhaps now that entertainers like Nelson and others are expressing their opinions the rest of this celebrity-obsessed culture will start asking questions. After all, if old Willie Nelson thinks there's something wrong then he agrees with a few engineers and scientists who don't buy all the dog and pony show, either.

The_Jazz

You've all missed the point. This is a door opener.

Soon, we'll all hear what Britney (when she gets out of the looney bin), Lindsy and Paris all have to say about it. They're equally qualified to make statements about this, I'm afraid.

Willy's a great songwriters and a pretty good musician. I have tons of his stuff on my iPod. I don't smoke pot or drive a biodeisel truck, though.

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Ustwo

Maybe they can do something like that useless 'We are the world' video but for the 9/11 conspiracy people.

There comes a time when we need a certain call
When the world must come together as one
There are people dying in Iraq
Oh and its time to lend a hand of TRUTH!
The greatest gift of all

We can't go on pretending day by day
That someone, somehow will tell the TRUTH!
We are all part of Bush America
And the TRUTH - you know love is all we need to be free

We are the world, we are the TRUTH!
We are the ones to shed the light of day
On Bush America
There's a choice we're making
We are not sheeple
We're saving your own life
Its truth to make a better day
Bush is Satan

Well, send'em to prison
So they know we know the TRUTH!
And they will be no longer free
To make war
By turning bombs to hugs
And so we must all spread the TRUTH!

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samcol

I guess they are equally qualified, however Willy is a highly respected individual not schizophrenic pyscho or a ditzy blond. I think most people would hold what he has to say in a much higher regard than those idiots.

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The_Jazz

"Much higher" regard? Probably not. "Higher" regard? Maybe.

Just to play devils advocate (because you all KNOW how much I love to do that), imagine the celebrity that best showcases the opposite side of the political spectrum from you, whether it's Alec Baldwin, Charleton Heston or Yahoo Serious, making a statement that you agree with on the theory. How would you react.

Actors and musicians have no more or less inside knowledge of these things. I look at this just like any other celebrity endorsement - immaterial.

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Ustwo

"To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed . . ."

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sapiens

I understand that celebrities have loud voices and that they can shine a light on causes or positions that might not otherwise be considered. However, I can't see Willy Nelson stating his position on the events of 9/11 helping to forward that position. To some audiences, I suspect that him supporting a particular position might reduce support for that position.

Baraka_Guru

This, I think, is the key to politics, especially if you want to sleep at night. It is also why Orwell still matters.

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Miss Mango

It\'s good that a figure like that who can easily gain some spotlight on their views came forward. It increases the awareness of different theories/explanations and perhaps even more beneficial, initiates the general public to question what they\'ve been told. And let\'s face it, more of society tends to pay attention to celebrities rather than some expert they\'ve never heard of.

ottopilot

this topic gives me the willeys.

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Martian

I don't know about society, but in a situation where expert analysis is required to really grok what went down, I tend to trust the expert over the celebrity.

Also, I'm laughing that people are glad Willie Nelson is speaking out, because he's respectable.



This is clearly the man I want to represent my movement.

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Ustwo

So did anyone like my song?

I'm sending it to Green Day.

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Martian

You'll have better luck with U2.

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Evil Milkman

And this is exactly where I was trying to go with this topic. Nobody gives Willie Nelson any credibility to be able to scientifically derive that the official story is false; at the same time, I'm saying that he has the ability to reach a lot people and get them thinking about asking tough questions about why there were no tough questions asked during the official commission.

Crack

Why do "Stars" think people give a shit about their ideas and thoughts?

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Redlemon

Wrong question - why does the media report on what stars think?

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sapiens

Because people evidently give a shit about what stars think?

MSD

Ministry already released a video from their new album with a 9/11 truth intro, try them if Green Day don't get back to you.

Ustwo

Wait.... Ministry is still around?

I find that harder to believe than 9/11 conspiracy theories.

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Seaver

Sorry Willy, I love (most) of your music. I love your influence on Texas Country.

But I just don't think you're smarter than me. Sorry.

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Tully Mars

I really don't see where Willy Nelson's opinion is relevant to anything other then music. Even then I don't always agree. Just because he saw a building implode in Vegas doesn't convince me he's a expert on this subject.

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The_Jazz

Would you change your mind if he stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night?

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Tully Mars

Maybe if he spent the night in a Hilton, as long as it wasn't Paris.

Seriously, I can't understand why anybody would attempt to bolster their position on an issue simply because a celebrity agreed with them. I saw an interview a few years back where Brad Pitt, doing an interview for a movie, was asked who he supported in a campaign. His answer was some thing like "I put on make-up and play make believe for a living. Why would anyone care what I thought about a political issue?"

I agreed with him.

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MSD

The vast majority of people are really, really stupid.

Evil Milkman

I agree with you that a celebrity's opinion shouldn't matter more in substance than any average Joe or any expert on a particular subject. However, people tend to listen to the collective celebrity mouthpiece and conversations and debates spark. This is one of those instances where people who have never heard alternative views on 9/11 may be inspired to think more deeply about the subject than they might have otherwise.

Having said that, obviously it's most important for speculation to not be the end result in a formal decision-making process. People in this instance should not take Willie's word for it, while at the same time not take the EPA's word for it that the air was safe to breathe immediately following the attacks at ground zero.

George W. Bush puts on make-up and plays make believe every day. Why would anyone care what he though about a political issue? Well, 30% of people approve of his views, anyway.

Tully Mars

Listening to celebrities as a means to spark debates? Meh, I guess. Personally anytime any of them start talking about anything other then their latest movie I tend to tune them out.


I care about what GWB says and does because he's the POTUS. Like him or not, for the time being, he's the President and what he does and says matters greatly simply due to the office he holds. Personally I think he's taken the meaning of "Failed Presidency" to a whole new level. I'd even use the term incompetence but I'd hate to insult incompetent people every where by the comparison. But he holds the office of the President of the US and thus requires attention regarding his opinions. Now if he starts talking about Willies latest release I'll tune him out.

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Evil Milkman

I find it humorous that Bill O'Reilly, for example, covers the Nelson comments and can only reply by calling him a "pinhead" instead of debating him directly on his views.

Willie's comments may be conjecture, but damn it, isn't it time the official story scientifically explain why a 47-story steel framed skyscraper fell into a pile even when no plane struck it?

Nelson doesn't represent any movement. He's part of a larger truth movement.

Willie Nelson is respected, too.