Cheney tried to kill Harry Whittington - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

Astrocloud · 02-13-2006, 04:59 AM

My guess is that Harry Whittington wanted a new appointment this time in the Federal Government. If you didn't know -Harry Whittington was W's appointment to the Texas Funeral Commission. This same commission then was involved in a coverup protecting a large Funeral company (SCI) in it's ability to violate federal law. His appointment is up in 2007.

So Whittington made the mistake of thinking that he could subtlely hint that he would write his "memoirs" unless a new appointment was forthcoming.

Cheney shot him on the spot.

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Cheney Accidentally Shoots a Fellow Hunter
By ANNE E. KORNBLUT
Published: February 12, 2006

WASHINGTON, Feb. 12 — Vice President Dick Cheney accidentally shot a prominent Austin lawyer while the two men were on a quail hunting expedition in South Texas on Saturday, firing shotgun pellets at the man while trying to aim for a bird, his spokeswoman confirmed today.

Mr. Cheney, a practiced hunter, sprayed the lawyer, Harry Whittington, with shotgun pellets on an outing on the Armstrong ranch in South Texas. Mr. Whittington, 78, was flown by helicopter to Corpus Christi Memorial Hospital, where he was listed in stable condition today, according to Michele Trevino, a hospital spokeswoman.

White House officials did not release details of the incident. But local news accounts in Texas suggested that Mr. Cheney fired his shotgun without realizing that Mr. Whittington had approached him from behind, spraying his fellow hunter on his right side, on his cheek, neck and chest.

"Nobody wants this to happen, but it does," Katharine Armstrong, the owner of the ranch, told The Corpus Christi Caller-Times according to an article on the newspaper's Web site. The Caller-Times, which first reported the shooting incident, said that Mr. Whittington was a friend of the Armstrong family and was a frequent visitor to their ranch, one of the largest private properties in Texas.

Mr. Whittington is a former member of the Texas Board of Corrections, which runs the state's prison and he was once chairman of the Texas Public Finance Authority Board. In 1999, Gov. George W. Bush appointed him to the Texas Funeral Service Commission. In August 2002, he was reappointed to the commission for a term set to expire in February 2007.

White House officials, who did not make public the shooting incident for 24 hours, did not say how Mr. Whittington and Mr. Cheney were acquainted, although both have longstanding ties to the Armstrongs, a prominent Texas family. The White House also declined to say who was on the hunting trip with the two men. Local news accounts said that Secret Service agents attended to Mr. Whittington until the medics arrived.

The Armstrong ranch is a familiar hunting venue for Republican politicians, including Mr. Cheney, who sometimes hunts there several times a year.

Mr. Cheney often goes on hunting outings with other political figures. Two years ago he went duck hunting with Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia in Louisiana, a trip that drew criticism because the Supreme Court had just agreed to hear a case involving Mr. Cheney's energy task force.

Anne Armstrong, the family matriarch, is a Republican Party stalwart who served in the Nixon and Ford administrations and also as ambassador to Britain. When her husband, Tobin Armstrong, died last October, Mr. Cheney and James A. Baker III, the former secretary of state, spoke at the funeral.

The 50,000-acre ranch, which features Spanish-style cottages on the property and usually has a full working staff, including a chef, was settled in 1882 by a Texas Ranger named John Armstrong III, who passed the land on to the family. It sits near the King Ranch, the legendary property settled by the Kleberg family, also in South Texas.

Katharine Armstrong was in the hunting party on Saturday.

The Associated Press reported that Mrs. Armstrong was watching from a car as the vice president, Mr. Whittington and another unidentified hunter got out of the vehicle to close in on a covey of quail. She said Mr. Whittington shot a bird and went to look for it in the tall grass, as his hunting companions walked to another spot where they found a second covey of quail.

Mr. Whittington "came up from behind the vice president and the other hunter and didn't signal them or indicate to them or announce himself," Mrs. Armstrong told the A.P. "The vice president didn't see him. The covey flushed and the vice president picked out a bird and was following it and show. And by God, Harry was in the line of fire and got peppered pretty good."

Campaign finance records show that Mr. Whittington contributed $2,000 — the maximum personal amount allowed — to the Bush-Cheney re-election campaign.

Mr. Whittington has been involved in a long-running dispute with the city of Austin, which is trying to condemn a block his family owns to build a parking garage. He has won several legal victories in the case, most recently last month in the Texas Supreme Court.

Mr. Cheney visited Mr. Whittington in the hospital on Sunday, said the vice president's spokeswoman, Lea Ann McBride. After spending the weekend in Texas, Mr. Cheney was scheduled to return to Washington this evening.

balderdash111 · 02-14-2006, 12:36 PM

My guess is not that he wanted to kill Whittington (pretty dumb way to do it - ineffective weapon, lots of witnesses), but rather that he was liquored up when it happened and doesn't want to be found out.

samcol · 02-14-2006, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by balderdash111

My guess is not that he wanted to kill Whittington (pretty dumb way to do it - ineffective weapon, lots of witnesses), but rather that he was liquored up when it happened and doesn't want to be found out.

My best guess at the reason for the delayed reporting of this and the hush hush is due to alcohol being involved. Otherwise there's really no reason to be so quiet about an accident.

Astrocloud · 02-14-2006, 12:50 PM

Latest news... CIA will assassinate Whittington:

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Hunter Shot by Cheney Suffers Mild Heart Attack

By MARIA NEWMAN
Published: February 14, 2006

The 78-year-old lawyer who was accidentally shot by Vice President Dick Cheney on Saturday suffered a mild heart attack today after bird shot migrated to his heart, doctors in South Texas said, and he underwent a successful catheterization to determine the extent of the damage.

Doctors said Mr. Whittington had been moved back into the intensive care unit after undergoing the procedure at about 10 a.m. Eastern time, which showed that one BB-size pellet entered his heart. Peter Banko, the administrator of Christus Spohn Memorial Hospital in Corpus Christi, Tex., said Mr. Whittington suffered a minor and "asymptomatic heart attack" that was noted only after monitors picked up an irregular heart beat early this morning.

"Some of the bird shot appears to have moved and lodged into part of his heart in what we would say is a minor heart attack," Dr. Banko told reporters this afternoon at a news briefing outside the hospital.

Mr. Whittington's doctors, in consultation with White House doctors, determined that he should undergo the catheterization, which allowed doctors to send a dye into his arteries or veins all the way into his heart and helped detect the presence of the pellet, said Dr David Blanchard, the hospital's emergency room chief.

Mr. Whittington will remain in the hospital for at least another week to monitor his condition, the two hospital officials said.

"The BB is in a fixed position; it's not mobile," Dr. Blanchard said.

Mr. Whittington, a prominent Austin lawyer and long-time Republican supporter, has been described by family and friends as being in strong physical shape.

"We're dealing with an individual who has good coronary arteries," Dr. Blanchard said. "He is 78 years old. We know that."

But, the doctor said, the hospital is consulting with specialists, including those from the White House who first attended to Mr. Whittington when he was shot at a ranch in South Texas while hunting with the vice president, to make sure they detect any possible changes in his condition.

"We are very, very optimistic," Dr. Blanchard said.

Mr. Whittington suffered birdshot wounds to his face, neck, chest and rib cage from the pellets sprayed at him from 30 yards away by Mr. Cheney's shotgun.

The White House has been grappling with questions and criticism about why it took the better part of a day to disclose that Mr. Cheney had accidentally wounded his fellow hunter at the Armstrong Ranch in Texas and why even President Bush initially got an incomplete report on the shooting.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/14/po...rtner=homepage

Astrocloud · 02-19-2006, 04:25 AM

I like how he comes out of the hospital and appologizes to Cheney.

"I'm sorry for you Shooting Me" -It makes my case more clear. More like -"Please don't kill me, sir"

ASU2003 · 02-19-2006, 06:46 AM

Whittington found out too much information. You know when someone in the government says "I could tell you, but I would have to kill you." Well, Cheney told him too much.

Brewmaniac · 02-19-2006, 07:47 AM

Whittington Kicked Cheney's dog when he was young...

Charlatan · 02-19-2006, 08:29 AM

Cheney didn't take kindly to Whittington's Brokeback advances after several beers...

ubertuber · 02-19-2006, 09:56 AM

Or maybe he didn't take Whittington's rejection well... American Beauty anyone?

msh58 · 02-20-2006, 05:45 PM

lol. just lol. thanks i needed that.

brokeback excursions i guess don't always go well when eventually one of the lovers shows up on the cover of the new york post with a face full of birdshot still drunk days later.

Poppinjay · 02-21-2006, 05:37 AM

The post trauma apology was great. "I'm sorry for stepping in the line of your birdshot."

Honestly, I think this was all done to send a message to Fidel Castro - old people wandering around with guns tend to get shot.

tecoyah · 02-23-2006, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Astrocloud

My guess is that Harry Whittington wanted a new appointment this time in the Federal Government. If you didn't know -Harry Whittington was W's appointment to the Texas Funeral Commission. This same commission then was involved in a coverup protecting a large Funeral company (SCI) in it's ability to violate federal law. His appointment is up in 2007.

So Whittington made the mistake of thinking that he could subtlely hint that he would write his "memoirs" unless a new appointment was forthcoming.

Cheney shot him on the spot.

Oh please....Cheney was just drunk....no need for conspiracy theories when you have lots of beer.

Ustwo · 02-23-2006, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by tecoyah

Oh please....Cheney was just drunk....no need for conspiracy theories when you have lots of beer.

Maybe it was beer provided by the stone cutters.

Hell you don't even have proof Cheney was drunk. Believe it or not, accidents happen while sober too

Astrocloud · 02-23-2006, 04:23 PM

It was no accident. The guy was wearing a bright orange hat and vest.

Ustwo · 02-24-2006, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Astrocloud

It was no accident. The guy was wearing a bright orange hat and vest.

You ever been hunting?

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MONDAY, Feb. 13 (HealthDay News) -- As the White House continued to deflect questions about why it took 24 hours to acknowledge that Vice President Dick Cheney had wounded a companion during a weekend quail-hunting trip, all involved agreed it was an unfortunate accident.

And though not commonplace, such accidents can -- and do -- happen, experts say.

"There are about 700 nonfatal hunting accidents each year in the United States and Canada," said Jim Wentz, a spokesman for the International Hunter Education Association. "In addition, there are about 75 fatal hunting accidents each year. That's out of the 15.7 million people who hunt."

On Saturday, Cheney wounded another hunter in his party -- Harry Whittington, a 78-year-old Texas lawyer and Republican fundraiser -- while they were pursuing quail at a south Texas ranch.

The mishap is being chalked up to carelessness on Whittington's part, and a case of a hunter concentrating on his target -- in this case a bird as it was flushed from cover and started to fly off.

Fortunately for Whittington, the ammunition used in quail hunting is small pellets that spray over a wide area at low velocity and lose momentum fairly quickly.

http://12.31.13.175/healthnews/healt...13HD531014.htm

Only someone who knows NOTHING about firearms would use bird shot to kill a man at 30 yards and Cheney being the evil neo-con mastermind that he is would know how to kill a man, most likely using only a chewing gum wrapper and a breath mint.

Poppinjay · 02-24-2006, 06:18 AM

He was out of chewing gum and breath mints. He used them all to cover up the smell of Kentucky Gentleman on his breath.

Ustwo · 02-24-2006, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Poppinjay

He was out of chewing gum and breath mints. He used them all to cover up the smell of Kentucky Gentleman on his breath.

At least you HOPE thats what it was.

Poppinjay · 02-24-2006, 06:54 AM

It may have been bootleg liquor he got from his mafia connections.

Astrocloud · 02-24-2006, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Ustwo

You ever been hunting?

Yes, Have you "Dr."?

Ustwo · 02-24-2006, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Astrocloud

Yes, Have you "Dr."?

Aye, and I've fired the weapons in question.

You don't kill a man with birdshot from 30 yards. I'm not even sure if you COULD kill someone at that range with it without some luck. Full on in the face would be ugly, might blind you, but unless you got lucky and nailed a major artery/vein in the neck its not going to be fatal.

Astrocloud · 02-24-2006, 09:19 AM

Wow, "Dr" that's pretty ironic that you own a Perazzi Brescia 28 Gauge. Do you go hunting with Cheney too? I suppose you go quail hunting and shoot straight at those dayglo orange quail. I always wondered why it was considered safe to wear that orange color. I guess I'll never figure it out... perhaps you can explain it to us.

And it's great that you agree that a neck shot might be lethal.

That's where Cheney shot him -in the neck.

As far as Cheney being "30 yards away" that's what Cheney's lackeys agree on. However the pattern seems like it was more like 20 yards away:

Ustwo · 02-24-2006, 12:41 PM

And he is not dead, in fact he seems in pretty good shape.

Look at that scatter pattern, does that look like a good chance of a fatal shot?

Keep seeing what you want to see I guess.

Astrocloud · 02-24-2006, 12:48 PM

Not dead yet. -Your answer means nothing.

Considering that a pellet travelled to his heart -my answer is that YES there was a good chance of a fatal shot.

Here you caught me answering your questions when you haven't answered mine. Why did Cheney fire at a man wearing a dayglow orange vest and hat?

Ustwo · 02-24-2006, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Astrocloud

Not dead yet. -Your answer means nothing.

Considering that a pellet travelled to his heart -my answer is that YES there was a good chance of a fatal shot.

Here you caught me answering your questions when you haven't answered mine. Why did Cheney fire at a man wearing a dayglow orange vest and hat?

I would have thought those answers were abundently clear in the accounts (they were when I had read) and since I was not there I would just have to repeat those accounts.

Cheney was focusing on prey being flushed.

Lawyer walks into the line of fire.

Both were at fault.

Astrocloud · 02-24-2006, 01:09 PM

You didn't answer my question. How did Cheney not see that he was firing his gun at another human wearing a Bright orange hat and vest.

Saying that he was "focusing on prey being flushed" is a pretty weak argument because he was supposedly pointing his weapon at what he was focusing on. In this case his weapon was pointing at a target wearing a bright orange hat and vest.

Ustwo · 02-24-2006, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Astrocloud

You didn't answer my question. How did Cheney not see that he was firing his gun at another human wearing a Bright orange hat and vest.

Saying that he was "focusing on prey being flushed" is a pretty weak argument because he was supposedly pointing his weapon at what he was focusing on. In this case his weapon was pointing at a target wearing a bright orange hat and vest.

The fact you ask this makes me think you have never been hunting or fired a weapon.

Seriously.

700 hunting accidents and 75 fatalities a year hunting. My guess is many of those guy had on orange vests too.

Astrocloud · 02-24-2006, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Ustwo

The fact you ask this makes me think you have never been hunting or fired a weapon.

Seriously.

So just to clarify -if someone doesn't agree with your viewpoint -then you question what they say as a lie... Nice -perhaps you should read the rules of this board before you post here.

MSD · 02-24-2006, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Astrocloud

You didn't answer my question. How did Cheney not see that he was firing his gun at another human wearing a Bright orange hat and vest.

Saying that he was "focusing on prey being flushed" is a pretty weak argument because he was supposedly pointing his weapon at what he was focusing on. In this case his weapon was pointing at a target wearing a bright orange hat and vest.

Considering the glasses that guy wears, his depth of field probably isn't particularly good. When firing at a target moving at the speed of a bird that has been flushed out of a bush, a 28-gauge at full choke (probably tighter than what he was using,) with the shot measured at 20 yards is not simply going to fire a nice circle of shot, but rather leave a trail about 15 feet long in which a target may be hit.

edit: I should also mention that a shotgun is much more precise and accurate than the general population believes (you cannot simply point it in the general direction of the target.) While entertaining, the "Cheney Shotgun Experiment" neglects the fact that the gun was in motion, and does not take into account the fact that shot distribution is not uniform and is not consistent from shot to shot (multiple shots with a more accurate recreation of the circumstances of the accident/conspiracy would settle this.) I would say that the most certainty I could put behind an analysis is that it is 90% likely that the distance between the gun and Mr. Whittington was between 10 and 60 yards at the time he was shot.

I'm not saying you're definitely wrong, but I'm saying that the official explanation is possible and that I consider it probable, while I consider your version of events to be highly unlikely. Neither is entirely implausible, and I would not rule out incompetence/drunkenness or malice based on my knowledge of Cheney. Before arriving at certainty, I think it would be wise to wait and see if any more facts or bits of information surface, that is, if the mainstream media outlets don't forget about it and move on to whatever shiny object catches their attention next.

Bill O'Rights · 02-24-2006, 10:12 PM

The snide comments, the overt baiting, and general disrespect that is rampant in this thread, ends...NOW!

Ustwo · 02-25-2006, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Astrocloud

So just to clarify -if someone doesn't agree with your viewpoint -then you question what they say as a lie... Nice -perhaps you should read the rules of this board before you post here.

Your whole argument seems to focus on an orange vest. I've worn those orange vests, I've hunted, and I know that mistakes can still be made. This leads me to question your veracity in this matter. You seek the most unlikely explanation.

The distance (reguardless if it were 20 or 30 yards) the type of weapon, the type of ammo, and the location of the shot would all point to Cheney either being a very dumb criminal or not guilty as you charge.

Logic pionts directly to an accident. Perhaps due to intoxication, perhaps due to simple error, but an accident.

Astrocloud · 02-26-2006, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Ustwo

This leads me to question your veracity in this matter. You seek the most unlikely explanation.

I'm sorry if I don't grovel at certain people's self professed expertise in this field ie. that those people are experts on hunting safety. -It seems that certain people write posts proclaiming to be allround experts on anything. When someone challenges their 'authority' -the personal comments come out. I can cite example after example of this. It's one of the reasons that people don't post on the politics board -for example.

People posting on the Paranoia form shouldn't need to explain their history and be able to post without being "mocked, called names or ridiculed". By saying that I mean that calling me out as a liar is in fact a violation of this rule. Furthermore a tilted search will reveal that I have posted on this subject before -so if I am lying then I am at least consistent.

But one of the rules of the Paranioa board also asks for people to supply "some evidence" of their claims. Therefore, I will provide the names and contact information of several close personal friends of mine with whom I have been shooting and hunting. I will not provide this information to just anybody but rather to one of the moderators of this forum. This should provide evidence that I am not lying.

Astrocloud · 02-26-2006, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by MrSelfDestruct

I'm not saying you're definitely wrong, but I'm saying that the official explanation is possible and that I consider it probable, while I consider your version of events to be highly unlikely. Neither is entirely implausible, and I would not rule out incompetence/drunkenness or malice based on my knowledge of Cheney. Before arriving at certainty, I think it would be wise to wait and see if any more facts or bits of information surface, that is, if the mainstream media outlets don't forget about it and move on to whatever shiny object catches their attention next.

In this case I think that the character of Cheney should be taken into consideration. Many people (especially his supporters) are too willing to give Cheney the "benefit of the doubt". I believe the opposite. This is a man who is drunk on his own power and has the belief that anything he does -is above the law. example 1, example 2, example 3.

Maybe I am wrong on Cheney's motives. Perhaps he just wanted to know what it was like to shoot someone. Perhaps he is a little irked of the Chicken Hawk label and wanted to privately feel the power of death over life. I don't put it past him.

Certainly if he was innocent of any wrongdoing he would've filed a police report immediately.

MSD · 02-26-2006, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Astrocloud

Certainly if he was innocent of any wrongdoing he would've filed a police report immediately.

If I accidentally shot a friend while drunk, I don't think I would be rushing to file a police report. I certainly don't think that what he did was the right thing, though. I stand by my position that this is what happened, but I understand where you're coming from, and agree that if your version of events is correct, that it fits perfectly. I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this point. I also think we need to see more concrete evidence (which I don't think we will) if either of us is going to budge.

As for your point that Cheney believes that he is above the law, I completely agree. He is not ethical or trustworthy, and has no regard for the law. I think that this might also be a factor in neglecting to file a report.

tecoyah · 02-26-2006, 11:59 AM

OK...first off....lets all remember this is the "Paranoia Forum"....if this thread were anywhere else..well..we would have moved it in here by now...heh. Secondly, it seems people are taking things a bit too seriously for the good of this thread, and maybe it would benefit everyone if I passed out a round of Chill Pills....thin skin is one thing, going off half cocked (pun intended) is another.

Yeah Yeah....it was a bad joke

Ustwo · 02-26-2006, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MrSelfDestruct

If I accidentally shot a friend while drunk, I don't think I would be rushing to file a police report..

If I accidentally shot a friend while sober, my first thoughts wouldn't be on the police report either.

squirrelyburt · 02-26-2006, 07:09 PM

Perazzi Brescia 28 Gauge... way too sweet a gun to whack a guy with. Even if he was a conservative attorney. Wheres the parnoia in this thread? Anyone afraid that Cheney will continue the shooting?

msh58 · 02-26-2006, 07:32 PM

i can see shotgun cheney on the white house roof drunkenly shooting at airplanes and crying because no one will hunt with him anymore. Wearing orange of course.

Astrocloud · 02-27-2006, 05:22 AM

Interesting Article:

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Media overlook unanswered questions and inconsistencies in Cheney shooting disclosure

Summary: Media reporting on the delay between when Vice President Dick Cheney accidentally shot one of his hunting partners and the public disclosure of that information have overlooked unanswered questions and inconsistent accounts of how the incident was revealed to the press.

In recent days, media reporting on the delay between when Vice President Dick Cheney accidentally shot one of his hunting partners and the public disclosure of that information have overlooked unanswered questions and inconsistent accounts of how the incident was revealed to the press. Many media outlets have uncritically repeated the White House claim that the Vice President's Office was solely responsible for the delayed announcement of the accident, without noting that White House senior adviser Karl Rove discussed the accident with his longtime friend Katharine Armstrong, the host of the hunting expedition, the night before she disclosed it to a Corpus Christi, Texas, newspaper. Other media reported that Armstrong said she conferred with Cheney before disclosing the story but failed to note that this account conflicts with initial reports that Armstrong said Cheney was not aware that she was going to contact the local media.

-Media overlooked Armstrong's conflicting accounts of whether she coordinated with Cheney

Many news outlets uncritically reported Armstrong's claim that she obtained Cheney's approval before revealing the story to the Corpus Christi Caller-Times on February 12, without mentioning that this version of events conflicts with initial reports that Armstrong said Cheney had been unaware that she was going to contact the local media about the accident. For example, a February 14 New York Times article reported that Armstrong "said Mr. Cheney participated in discussions on Sunday morning about disclosing the incident, agreeing that it should be made public but deferring to the Armstrong family on how to do so." A February 14 Washington Post article similarly reported:

In a telephone interview, Armstrong said that she, her mother and her sister, Sara Storey Armstrong Hixon, decided on Sunday morning after breakfast to report the shooting accident to the media. "It was my family's own volition, and the vice president agreed. We felt -- my family felt and we conferred as a family -- that the information needed to go public. It was our idea," Armstrong said.

As Media Matters for America has documented, CNN White House correspondent Suzanne Malveaux reported on February 13 that Armstrong "told CNN that she did not believe the Vice President's Office was aware that she was going to go to the local press." Malveaux challenged White House press secretary Scott McClellan to why Armstrong's account differed from that of the White House, which claimed that Armstrong had coordinated with Cheney before contacting the press. By contrast, National Review White House correspondent Byron York wrote that day that Armstrong told National Review Online that "she did not coordinate with the vice president's office before calling the Corpus Christi paper," but later simply printed an "author's note" relaying the administration's account without indicating any attempt to resolve the apparent discrepancy. Media Matters also documented that CNN White House correspondent Dana Bash -- while reporting the White House claim that Armstrong went to the press only after conferring with Cheney -- failed to note the apparent contradiction her colleague Malveaux had identified.

-Media ignored Rove's involvement while reporting that Vice President's Office was solely responsible for delayed disclosure

Several outlets reported that White House officials acknowledged that Rove, widely seen as the Bush administration's public relations and political guru, discussed Cheney's hunting accident with Armstrong the night before Armstrong told the Corpus Christi Caller-Times about it. For example, The New York Times reported on February 14 that Rove "called Ms. Armstrong to ask about the incident," while The Washington Post reported the same day that Rove was "told of the shooting Saturday night but deferred to Cheney on providing information to the public, White House aides said."

Another report, citing unnamed Republican officials, suggested that Rove was indeed involved in discussing how information about the accident would be released but ultimately deferred to Cheney. In a February 13 Web exclusive report for Time magazine, White House correspondent Mike Allen cited unnamed "Republican sources" to report that Cheney "overruled the advice of several members of the White House staff" -- including Rove -- by "insist[ing] on sticking to a plan for releasing information about his hunting accident that resulted in a 20-hour, overnight delay in public confirmation of the startling incident."

Other evidence suggests that Rove had an established personal relationship with the Armstrong family before his call to Katharine Armstrong over the hunting flap. According to an article in the May 12, 2003, edition of The New Yorker, Armstrong's father, Tobin Armstrong, was "an early financier" of Rove's first business venture:

Rove had the imprimatur of Texas's Republican aristocracy from the beginning, through his connection to the Bush family and to [Governor Bill] Clements. An early financier of Karl Rove + Company was Tobin Armstrong, the owner of a Texas ranch (it was on land leased from Armstrong Rove and Bill Frist were planning to go hunting) and the husband of Anne Armstrong, a former Republican Cabinet officer.

Despite the fact that Rove -- who serves as President Bush's primary political adviser -- spoke with Armstrong before she notified the media of the shooting, many in the media have simply accepted the White House's claim that Cheney's office was completely responsible for determining when and how the press would be notified. For example, on the February 13 broadcast of CBS Evening News, White House correspondent Jim Axelrod neglected to mention Rove's involvement in the story while reporting that "the decisions affecting who knew what when" were "being made on the ground in Texas by the vice president," and that "the decision to have the ranch owner [Armstrong] call her local paper to let the general public know of the shooting, that was Mr. Cheney's choice as well."

—A.S.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200602140016

msh58 · 02-27-2006, 05:29 PM

the only thing this story, the hunting accident has shown me, is how bad a lot of people would like to take down this vice president, or if possible, the entire administration if possible, over an accident like this.

the entire thing has gotten my twisted sense of humor going more than anything in a long time and i've had a lot of fun with it and i'm glad it happened. But political fallout is going to be nothing, no matter how they handled it, its still a ridiculous accident.

Still i'd like cheney to wear orange at all times as a reminder not to accidently shoot himself in general or while hunting something. just as a somewhat attempt to keep that wreckage that is him alive. I think it would be good for him, the orange man.

Willravel · 02-27-2006, 05:31 PM

Whittington: "Hey, Dick, have you read that facinating thread on TFP about 9/11?"
*BAM*

Hunting accedent + irresponsible asshat = not a consipracy, but perhaps a failed coverup

02-14-2006, 12:36 PM	#2 (permalink)
balderdash111 Psycho	My guess is not that he wanted to kill Whittington (pretty dumb way to do it - ineffective weapon, lots of witnesses), but rather that he was liquored up when it happened and doesn't want to be found out. __________________ A little silliness now and then is cherished by the wisest men. -- Willy Wonka

02-19-2006, 07:47 AM	#7 (permalink)
Brewmaniac Searching for the perfect brew!	Whittington Kicked Cheney's dog when he was young... __________________ "That's a joke... I say, that's a joke, son"

02-19-2006, 08:29 AM	#8 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	Cheney didn't take kindly to Whittington's Brokeback advances after several beers... __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

02-19-2006, 09:56 AM	#9 (permalink)
ubertuber spudly Location: Ellay	Or maybe he didn't take Whittington's rejection well... American Beauty anyone? __________________ Cogito ergo spud -- I think, therefore I yam

02-21-2006, 05:37 AM	#11 (permalink)
Poppinjay You had me at hello Location: DC/Coastal VA	The post trauma apology was great. "I'm sorry for stepping in the line of your birdshot." Honestly, I think this was all done to send a message to Fidel Castro - old people wandering around with guns tend to get shot. __________________ I think the Apocalypse is happening all around us. We go on eating desserts and watching TV. I know I do. I wish we were more capable of sustained passion and sustained resistance. We should be screaming and what we do is gossip. -Lydia Millet

02-19-2006, 04:25 AM	#5 (permalink)
Astrocloud Apocalypse Nerd	I like how he comes out of the hospital and appologizes to Cheney. "I'm sorry for you Shooting Me" -It makes my case more clear. More like -"Please don't kill me, sir"

02-19-2006, 06:46 AM	#6 (permalink)
ASU2003 immoral minority Location: Back in Ohio	Whittington found out too much information. You know when someone in the government says "I could tell you, but I would have to kill you." Well, Cheney told him too much.

02-20-2006, 05:45 PM	#10 (permalink)
msh58 Crazy	lol. just lol. thanks i needed that. brokeback excursions i guess don't always go well when eventually one of the lovers shows up on the cover of the new york post with a face full of birdshot still drunk days later.

02-23-2006, 04:23 PM	#14 (permalink)
Astrocloud Apocalypse Nerd	It was no accident. The guy was wearing a bright orange hat and vest.

02-24-2006, 06:18 AM	#16 (permalink)
Poppinjay You had me at hello Location: DC/Coastal VA	He was out of chewing gum and breath mints. He used them all to cover up the smell of Kentucky Gentleman on his breath. __________________ I think the Apocalypse is happening all around us. We go on eating desserts and watching TV. I know I do. I wish we were more capable of sustained passion and sustained resistance. We should be screaming and what we do is gossip. -Lydia Millet

02-24-2006, 06:54 AM	#18 (permalink)
Poppinjay You had me at hello Location: DC/Coastal VA	It may have been bootleg liquor he got from his mafia connections. __________________ I think the Apocalypse is happening all around us. We go on eating desserts and watching TV. I know I do. I wish we were more capable of sustained passion and sustained resistance. We should be screaming and what we do is gossip. -Lydia Millet

02-24-2006, 09:19 AM	#21 (permalink)
Astrocloud Apocalypse Nerd	Wow, "Dr" that's pretty ironic that you own a Perazzi Brescia 28 Gauge. Do you go hunting with Cheney too? I suppose you go quail hunting and shoot straight at those dayglo orange quail. I always wondered why it was considered safe to wear that orange color. I guess I'll never figure it out... perhaps you can explain it to us. And it's great that you agree that a neck shot might be lethal. That's where Cheney shot him -in the neck. As far as Cheney being "30 yards away" that's what Cheney's lackeys agree on. However the pattern seems like it was more like 20 yards away:

02-24-2006, 12:41 PM	#22 (permalink)
Ustwo Pissing in the cornflakes	And he is not dead, in fact he seems in pretty good shape. Look at that scatter pattern, does that look like a good chance of a fatal shot? Keep seeing what you want to see I guess. __________________ Agents of the enemies who hold office in our own government, who attempt to eliminate our "freedoms" and our "right to know" are posting among us, I fear.....on this very forum. - host Obama - Know a Man by the friends he keeps.

02-24-2006, 12:48 PM	#23 (permalink)
Astrocloud Apocalypse Nerd	Not dead yet. -Your answer means nothing. Considering that a pellet travelled to his heart -my answer is that YES there was a good chance of a fatal shot. Here you caught me answering your questions when you haven't answered mine. Why did Cheney fire at a man wearing a dayglow orange vest and hat?

02-24-2006, 01:09 PM	#25 (permalink)
Astrocloud Apocalypse Nerd	You didn't answer my question. How did Cheney not see that he was firing his gun at another human wearing a Bright orange hat and vest. Saying that he was "focusing on prey being flushed" is a pretty weak argument because he was supposedly pointing his weapon at what he was focusing on. In this case his weapon was pointing at a target wearing a bright orange hat and vest.

02-24-2006, 10:12 PM	#29 (permalink)
Bill O'Rights will always be an Alyson Hanniganite Location: In the dust of the archives	The snide comments, the overt baiting, and general disrespect that is rampant in this thread, ends...NOW! __________________ "I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." - Susan B. Anthony "Hedonism with rules isn't hedonism at all, it's the Republican party." - JumpinJesus It is indisputable that true beauty lies within...but a nice rack sure doesn't hurt.

02-26-2006, 11:59 AM	#34 (permalink)
tecoyah Illusionary	OK...first off....lets all remember this is the "Paranoia Forum"....if this thread were anywhere else..well..we would have moved it in here by now...heh. Secondly, it seems people are taking things a bit too seriously for the good of this thread, and maybe it would benefit everyone if I passed out a round of Chill Pills....thin skin is one thing, going off half cocked (pun intended) is another. Yeah Yeah....it was a bad joke __________________ Holding onto anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned. - Buddha

02-26-2006, 07:09 PM	#36 (permalink)
squirrelyburt Crazy Location: Central Wisconsin	Perazzi Brescia 28 Gauge... way too sweet a gun to whack a guy with. Even if he was a conservative attorney. Wheres the parnoia in this thread? Anyone afraid that Cheney will continue the shooting? __________________ If you've ever felt there was a reason to be afraid of the dark, you were right.

02-26-2006, 07:32 PM	#37 (permalink)
msh58 Crazy	i can see shotgun cheney on the white house roof drunkenly shooting at airplanes and crying because no one will hunt with him anymore. Wearing orange of course.

02-27-2006, 05:29 PM	#39 (permalink)
msh58 Crazy	the only thing this story, the hunting accident has shown me, is how bad a lot of people would like to take down this vice president, or if possible, the entire administration if possible, over an accident like this. the entire thing has gotten my twisted sense of humor going more than anything in a long time and i've had a lot of fun with it and i'm glad it happened. But political fallout is going to be nothing, no matter how they handled it, its still a ridiculous accident. Still i'd like cheney to wear orange at all times as a reminder not to accidently shoot himself in general or while hunting something. just as a somewhat attempt to keep that wreckage that is him alive. I think it would be good for him, the orange man.

02-27-2006, 05:31 PM	#40 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	Whittington: "Hey, Dick, have you read that facinating thread on TFP about 9/11?" BAM Hunting accedent + irresponsible asshat = not a consipracy, but perhaps a failed coverup