ASU2003

I just had an interesting thought, what would have happended if Whittington had 'accidentaly' shot Cheney? Would the secret service shot back at Whittington? Would we be saying that Whittington was a sleper agent for al-Qa'ida? Would he have blamed Cheney for getting in the way? How long would it have taken for the White House to hear about it?

Astrocloud

None of the above.

Since Cheney has worn out any assumption of innocence -it should be automatically assumed that Whittington would be acting in self defense.

Ustwo

Well lets reverse the rolls. Cheney stupidly gets in the way and in the one injured. Logic would say if this was a friendly hunting trip the end result would be the same only with Cheney in the hospital saying he made a mistake. There of course would be a whole slew of conspiracy theories going the other way which would even be more entertaining than this one, and many left wing web sites would joking say Whittington should get a medal.

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WillyPete

Sorry to bring up bad blood, but I too would question whether you had been QUAIL hunting before Astro.
Not simply 'hunting'. I won't argue that.

If you have, you as well as the others here would know that whilst leading the bird, you are still focusing on it's flight pattern waiting for one of the more common ways that the bird will break in flight and hit them at the most critical part of that flight.

Therefore, your weapon is always pointed slightly AHEAD of the animal, where you expect them to fly, whilst your vision is focussed behind it's aimpoint. Unlike deer hunting where your aimpoint is the same as your point of focus. With this in mind I could easily imagine the accident taking place. Someone also mentioned his glasses, if Whittington was at the edge of the optics as he followed the target it would also make seeing him more difficult.
Also in a walking quail shoot there is much more chance of extending your arc to where it becomes dangerous, unlike a static shoot where the game is beaten toward you and you stand at a safe spot with flags marking the limit of your permitted firing arc.

That said, I believe people could still cast doubts on your claim to be hunting, but only in the aspect of type of hunting. I think the statements made were too general.
'Hunting' as a term is too braod and contains too many different disciplines to simply say that someone has once been hunting and can relate to the situation in hand. Just as I could not claim to ever understand what could cause a formula one racer to crash when I can claim to also have 'driven'.
It's not an attack on you, I just think some things needed to be clarified as to the way they appeared to me upon reading them. If I also got the meaning of the other folks wrong, I also apologise for putting words in their mouth.

Astrocloud

Again, you are giving Cheney the benefit of the doubt. He deserves no benefit -especially when there is an obvious coverup.

ubertuber

Obvious is in the eye of the beholder.

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Astrocloud

It's already been well documented that they did not report the crime in a timely fashion. It's also been well documented that "Turd Blossom" was involved making sure everyone got their story straight.

Ustwo

Well then obvioiusly it HAD to be a murder plot gone wrong. How could anyone doubt it with such evidence? No other rational explanation will suffice. You have won me over.

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WillyPete

I'm thinking they just wanted to make the story as simple as possible so that it would pass as 'clean' in all the papers.

If their testimonies DIDN'T match perfectly, you'd still be asking the same questions.

You've never screwed up?
Never been in or caused an accident?
Your story will change each time you try and analyse what happened. It's inevitable.
Eye witnesses are the most useless forms of evidence ever.

They probably got onto their lawyers and spin doctors before the cops. The people on the other side of the phone would have been the reason you have doubts.

xepherys

The argument that Ustwo is trying to make is valid... but I think he's going about it the wrong way. Perhaps instead of trying to apply Ockham's Razor, it'd be better to apply Hanlon's Razor:

Ockham's Razor (and yes, it is ACTUALLY spelled that way, and Occum/Occam is a phonetic corruption of the correct spelling) states: "Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate" or "Entities should not be multiplied unnecessarily".

Hanlon's Razor (possibly from Heinlein and the story "Logic of Empire") states: "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."

I think perhaps the latter is more applicable here?

Astrocloud

Stupidity and Malice are not mutually exclusive.

Since I will not actually read anything that UsTwo wrote I will refrain from commenting on it.

Bill O'Rights

And yet...you just did.

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Astrocloud

With regards to the legitimacy of these claims... Why not probe further?

gdurfor

It was an accident unlike Chappaquiddick where someone died.

Charlatan

Sorry but that's rather naive.

People die in accidents all that time.

Unless you're accusing Kennedy of premeditated murder at Chappaquiddick.

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Bill O'Rights

A. Are you implying that Chappaquiddick was not an accident?

B. The days of "Yeah, but your guy did..." are over around here. Find another argument.

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Ustwo

Of course the outcome of Chappaquiddick was far worse, and there are far more questions in terms of sealed and missing documents there, but your statement itself is kinda pointless.

Driving your car off a bridge into a river is almost as stupid as trying to kill someone with light bird shot in terms of a murder weapon.

Its a shame the outcome wasn't reversed as Cheney's 'target' was a lawyer

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Bill O'Rights

The title of this thread is "Cheney tried to kill Harry Whittington"
What do either of these two have to do with Chappaquiddick? Can we get off of it, now?

Or...oh, wait...I get it, now. It wasn't Kennedy driving that car at all...was it? It was Cheney. That's why Kennedy couldn't remember anything...he was never there! Whittington found out and was going to go public with it. Cheney couldn't allow that to happen. Now it all makes sense. Of course...

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Marvelous Marv

Thanks. I was wondering if no one else here had been quail hunting.

Timely fashion? You mean they didn't tell the Washington press corps as fast as you'd like?

According to this,

Link

The accident happened at 5:30 p.m., and Kenedy County Sheriff Ramon Salinas contacted Chief Deputy Gilberto San Miguel Jr. "at approximately 1830 hrs" (that's 6:30 pm). Considering the time spent administering to Mr. Whittington, and the time spent calling Sheriff Salinas, both of which had to take place before Salinas could call San Miguel, your conspiracy theory has more holes in it than Whittington.

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Astrocloud

As I said before -Certain people love Dick Cheney and they have their nose firmly planted between his buttocks. They are constantly making excuses for him. It really doesn't matter what he does.

Gee, Dick -why'd you let Enron rip off California?

'Thats none of your buisness'

Dick, why do you let Halliburton steal from the government

'The rules are different in a time of war'

Dick, why can't you shoot straight.

'It's the liberal medias fault'


As far as "my theory" goes:

http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/...ballistics.htm

Gee it doesn't take much hunting experience to realize that you don't shoot your buddy who is 10 feet away.

Marvelous Marv

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Charlatan

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