PHYcos

He is so short that its funny!

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mystmarimatt

nope. but then, i hate rap in general.

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Magpie0001

Youre entitled to youre opinion N'all that shit.
I really dont agree with you though. It looks like you contradict yourself too. "By those who dont dig deeper" Next sentence.. "as far as Im concernd rockers are all......"

he·don·ism:

Pursuit of or devotion to pleasure, especially to the pleasures of the senses

That right there is what most Rappers are about. They have a big car, bitches, drugs, money etc etc... Hedonism at its best. You say dig deeper & they you tell me to listen to Jay-Z?? C'mon, You dont even have to listen to his music to see that hes all about bitches cars keepin it real etc etc. Look at the cd sleeve. Pictures of him looking hard, with a car perhaps, a few women, a wad of cash maybe. I have one album on wax & its completely coverd with loads of pictures of him looking threatening, pouting, doing that stupid rapper hand dealy, standing beside his car. Its not deep, Its "look at me, Im so tough, check my wheels, playa playa, smack down! etc etc..."

If you want to be specific what youre listening to isnt Hip-Hop, its rap & there is a difference. Defenitions

Dont you think that alot of rappers rap about drugs & guns & money & then... That is the height of hypocricy.
You are of course entitled to your opinion, I dont wanna start flaming but are you really trying to tell me that Ja Rule is "deep" or "different" coz its plain as day that hes "keeping it real for the streets" just like the rest of them.

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LittleOralAnnie

"Between Me and You" I like because it reminds me of my sweetheart but other than that Ja is overplayed and isn't one of the most talented artists out there..

Glory's Sun

Ok I'm thinking deeper. "Words are powerful, and some people succumb to them and accept them as dire truth." This is your quote, yet you say it's ok to use words in a "fantasy" role and it's automatically ok. Why use the words I'll put 6 bullets in your brain and your blood will flow like rain if you think or know that words are so powerful? I'm all for people saying what they feel and I listen to some pretty heavy stuff, but rap seems to take it to a totally new level. They talk about "being real" but then again all they do is front right? They have to be if they aren't really doing what they are rapping about. How can you be real and live a fantasy at the same time? Doesn't make much sense to me .. think deeper man..

crow_daw

OK, Ja Rule is a goddammed poser.
Now, onto this little "subthread" thats gotten started about how rap is shit and all this.
I agree with Pyrate that most people who dis rap just dont listen to it. They hear retards like Ja Rule on the air, and just think thats all rap is. The real shit is the stuff that they never even release as singles. If you can listen to Changes by 2Pac, Slippin by DMX, or One Mic by Nas, and then look me in the eye and say that rap is "retards attempting poetry", then theres somethin wrong with you. DMX is the best rapper out there in my opinion, and Nas is frickin BRILLIANT, you guys just gotta sit down and actually LISTEN to them.
But dont get me wrong, I love all music, I find that in any genre, you'll find artists who do their music well. I'm actually a BIG rock fan. Seether, Linkin Park, Staind, Default, Fuel, Chevelle, Saliva, and Live are all really good bands.

Just do us all a favor, and actually LISTEN to an artist before you judge them.

Oh, and I've listened to Ja Rule. And yeah, he blows.

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Soothe

I think Deltron, The Roots and Hieroglyphics are pretty good hip hop artists with actual meaning to their lyrics. Deltron doesn't talk about the ghetto, hoes, drugs, money and all that shit he talks about life and humorous things, and he makes it sound good and doesn't follow the standard beat. I hate rap and hip hop but I love this guy.

A lot of mainstream rappers out there think they need to follow the path set before them by projecting themselves as hard and tough when they really aren't, most of them aren't even from the ghetto or have lived a hard life like they've said they have. They're just being told by industry to dress a certain way, act a certain way, etc because this will bring them more record sales.

Pyrate

Those of weak mind will succumb to 'powerful words'. Those who cannot keep reality and fantasy apart have problems. People live the fantsy in music, and live the real in life itself. Think video games. One minute you're enthralled and engrossed in an rpg of sorts then once you switch off the console and whoooosh!!! The real world is back. Only otaku carry on living fantasy once they've "switched off the console".

In digging deeper I meant in terms of music. Listen to some OLDER Jay Z music. Jay Z died a coupla years ago (metaphorically), but back in the start he was a very conscientious rapper.

Let's switch it and go to something innocuous, like love songs and the people who sing em. In reality, do you really thing these people run through the meadows, love of life in hand, spinning in the daisies? Nope. But they still constantly sing about there "one true love" in every song they sing. If this fantasy was reality, they would be whores, or sluts, or man-sluts, with hundreds of "one true loves". Once again, they are living their fantasy in their music. It's just a different and more bucolic fantasy than that of rappers.

I'll say it now, don't think I'm defending rappers here; I'm sick to my back teeth of all the gun talk and all that shite, I probably hate it more than any other rap fan out there. But I understand that as long as it's on wax and doesn't spill out into reality, it's just entertainment. Not exactly moral or good, but harmless al the same. Unless you succumb to it. Why should anyone compromise what they are doing just because some stupid wayward butthole accepts their words as "dire truth?". That's their problem. If someone was to hand to my every statement and follow my words to the letter, I wouldn't give a flying fuck. That's their problem. I say what I please, they do what they please. Simple as that.

I can understand where you're coming from though. Rap is in a state of fuckeries, even if it IS very popular. It has become commercial, and the COMMERCIAL rap image can be summed up in one word. BLING.

And bling is an ugly, ugly word indeed.

btw, I'll check up on some rock music, do a bit of exploration...

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Pyrate

Thanks for the link! I never really thought about it before...

I though hip hop and rap were same thing, different names.

Kinda like "Pop" and "Utter Crap"...

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jwoody

Even 'Ja' himself has admitted to being a bit of 'rent-a-rapper' recently and has vowed to keep out of our faces for a while.

Personally I think he's a watered down DMX for the pop charts.

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Ja Rule used to be off and on with me. On one hand, there was "Put It On Me", "Between Me And You", "I'm Real", "Always On Time", and "Down-Ass Bitch", all of which are songs of his I enjoy. The other hand, you have every song he's been a part of that I left out. Lately, the songs I listed above are the only things keeping him from the bottom of the barrel, for me. Even then, a recent diss-rap against 50 Cent he made has completely made me turn my back on anything that man does...it's called "Loose Change", and here's the one lyric that's convinced me he's retarded:

"50 you gon' get shot again by tha M-U-R-E-D-R Inc.!"

MurEDr?!? *sigh* I hope Eminem lyrically destroys him repeatedly for the rest of Ja's career.

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Eiresol

Ja Rule is crap. Venni Vetti Vicci had a couple of ok songs, well er one, Story To Tell. Then he went completly pop.
That's what he is, a pop star.
But one thing I find funny from reading through this thread is, people are saying Ja Rule is shit but DMX is good.
For fucks sake, DMX is about as credible a rapper as Ja Rule.
He growls in his songs.
Uh X goin give it to ya. No thanks buddy.

This is going to sound terribly condescending and patronising. Also it'll make me look like a dick but, go look at the recommend at a rap song thread, and after you have been educated come back and tell me how credible a rapper DMX and his pop brethern are.
About as hardcore as playboy.

evo_schen

blah, ja is so damn played out

Zyeox

I think is way overated he has maybe one or to good songs but thats about it. To busy trying to get up JLo ass look at where he is now. On the sideline. He is a joke!!!

nico

sparkle rap sucks

Zoom

Hey I like big asses and I LOOOOOVE Ashanti

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NotoriousX

Ja Rule is just a nobody, no-talent wanna-be rapper who got lucky. This fool thinks he can take on the arsenal of rappers that Shady/Aftermath has, well he's got another thing coming. He has no respect inside the music buisness and no respect out in the streets. The faster Ja rule is irradicated from the rap scene the faster rap can have a more decent reputaiton.

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darksparkles

i don't have a preference one way or another.

i think its pretty funny that 50 cent is questioning his streed cred when he's on the cover of tiger beat, though.

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SecretMethod70

How about do I like rap, period?

Actually, I'd say yes, but I like old school rap. If a person is a gangsta rapper, then the answer as to if I like them or not will ALWAYS be no.

And what the HECK is street cred? Since when is it a GOOD thing when rappers have actual connections to gangs and drugs and pimps? I'd rather have a rapper that's a poser than one with actual "street cred." There was a panel discussion by one of the african american groups at my school this past year about how today's rap music was portraying blacks in a bad light and leading them in the wrong direction. The more I think about it the more I agree.

I wouldn't be very mournful if they all happened to disappear today.

Go to quannum.com and check out the Lifesavas. Now there's some good music. Love the bassline on Hellohihey.

And, yes, I know it's actually Hip-Hop, but most rap is the sorriest excuse of entertainment I've ever been forced to hear.

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docbungle

Uh, back to the theme of this thread guys: Ja Rule blows. He's not even a rapper, really. He just seems to kind of...I don't know...but it's not rap.

attercop1

Nope...he sux, bites and blows!

CSflim

Shakespeare made up DOZENS of words for use in his plays. All of these words are now "real" words, and are simply part of the english language. "Bling Bling" can be now found in the OED. hmmmm....

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realneiga

Ja-Rule is garbage. Em and 50 are killin his ass with the new songs. I hope ja-rule just disssapears and no one get killed over this

TheComingCurse

I'd like to see him under my tire.