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Old 11-25-2004, 01:34 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Read Rolling Stones 500 Greatest Songs...

Lose Yourself = # 166
Hey Ya = # 180

If you knew all the songs that came after these songs on the list you may very well want to burn down Rolling Stones headquarters. I will say this though

#167 = Marvin Gaye - Let's Get It On (Yeah)

#183 = B.B. King - The Thrill Is Gone

Not to mention songs that didn't make the freakin list out of 500 lil dissappointing but overrall pretty good list...lots of worthy songs made it but some of the guys at RS are out of their fuckin minds.

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Old 11-25-2004, 01:39 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Top ten was fair. Dunno if it woulda been MY top ten but yeah. I can't remember all of the songs on the list caus 500 is a lot to keep track of but I'm pretty sure I didn't see November Rain, Father & Son, don't remember if I saw Stairway.

Top Ten
10. Ray Charles - What'd I Say?
9. Nirvana - Smells Like Teen Spirit
8. The Beatles - Hey Jude
7. Chuck Berry - Johnny B. Goode
6. The Beach Boys - Good Vibrations
5. Aretha Franklin - Respect
4. Marvin Gaye - What's Goin On?
3. John Lennon - Imagine
2. Rolling Stones - I can't get no satisfaction
<b>1. Bob Dylan - Like A Rolling Stone</b>

I hate that Smells Like Teen Spirit is always the highest rated Nirvana song on any list. Lithium is so much better to me.

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Old 11-25-2004, 04:59 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I dont think Good Vibrations is teh best Beach Boys song or Satisfaction is the best Stones song. Personally I think Surfing USA best symboilzes the BVeach Boys and Brown Sugar is my personal favorite stones song with Ruby Tuesday right up there
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Old 11-25-2004, 05:29 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Those lists always seem to suck.

I agree with Satisfaction being a bad Stones pick. Probably would pick Sympathy for the Devil, Gimme Shelter, or Paint it Black as my favorite (or countless others before I'd pick Satisfaction).
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Old 11-25-2004, 06:05 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Their lists always have some pretty terrible picks, unfortunately. I guess that's because we all have our favourite, which is often based on musical merit, while they seem to rank all of their lists based on social effect or innovation.

For example, there were plenty of guitarists that could play much more technically difficult licks than Jimi Hendrix could have, but he was their No. 1 guitarist because they think he changed modern guitar playing more than anyone. Similarly, there are countless albums, including others by the Beatles, that have more creative melodies and complex harmonies than Sgt. Pepper's, but they considered it the No. 1 album based on its influence and innovation.

I think you just have to accept the fact that these lists will never have your favourite whatever at the top. Rolling Stone just wants to get their name out, and top 100 or top 500 lists circulating around create controversy. And controversy is the best way to publicize.
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Old 11-25-2004, 06:07 PM   #6 (permalink)
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And K-Wise, Stairway is #31.
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Old 11-25-2004, 07:43 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Someone needs to put together the top 100 most fucked up top N lists of all time. This one makes the top 10 of that list.
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Old 11-25-2004, 08:09 PM   #8 (permalink)
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People, people, people...

These lists are made to get people to talk about the magazine. Of COURSE they are going to put controversial choices in there. If the list is totally obvious, why would it generate any conversation?
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Old 11-25-2004, 08:22 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I there a link to the list?
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Old 11-25-2004, 11:03 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Not that I know of. I listed them straight from the mag itself.

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Old 11-25-2004, 11:57 PM   #11 (permalink)
 
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" " " " " " " "best" " " " " " " " " " " :
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/sto...6661/sort/rank

recent songs:
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/sto...ear/pagenum/10

didn't list because it doesn't paste cleanly
most songs are singles, because we all know overplayed = greatness


mandatory reactions as if list meant anything:
hey ya and lose yourself are the best songs in the last 2 years. neither are remotely classics, although hey ya is an okay song.
beck and the verve awarded for their least interesting material
bonnie raitt - more like booorrrriinnng raitt
critics just love nirvana, which isn't bad, but they do it at about the same level as kids in high school
jeff buckley and pavement...nice try but this list still has little credibility
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Old 11-26-2004, 08:24 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I pretty much hate #'s 2 and 3. But in general, I think the Rolling Stones are wildly overrated. They make nice background music.

#1 isn't even in Dylan's top ten. I would've gone with "It's All Over Now, Baby Blue" or "Tangled Up in Blue".

Where I think they did reasonably well with their placement in the top 30:

13 Yesterday by The Beatles
17 Purple Haze by Jimi Hendrix
30 I Walk the Line by Johnny Cash

edit: Crap! Just looked at the list ordered by date. They put "All Apologies" on there? That might just be Nirvana's worst song. So conventional, so lyrically insipid, so boring.
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Old 11-26-2004, 09:34 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Just my own opinion, but putting Nirvana on that list of 500, let alone in the top 10 is scandalous. But then again this is Rolling Stone magazine. Ancient, out of date and irrelevant. Has been for about 25 years.

edit] And from a Canadian perspective. I might have missed it but I didn't see any Rush, Triumph, Max Webster, Five Man Electric Band, April Wine,Guess Who, BTO,...certainly those groups had songs a liitle more of substance than R.Kelly or Tupac. Just MO.
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Old 11-26-2004, 09:49 AM   #14 (permalink)
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paint it black is a better song than satisfaction.
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Old 11-26-2004, 07:23 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I didn't see Rush or Triumph either. I don't think Triumph will ever make any greatest list cause I guess they weren't as popular as I thought. Which sucks cause they really are a really really good band. Never Surrender is one of my moms favorite albums. And Rush? Shit they're one of the single greatest bands ever.

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Old 11-26-2004, 09:32 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I didn't see Rush or Triumph either. I don't think Triumph will ever make any greatest list cause I guess they weren't as popular as I thought. Which sucks cause they really are a really really good band. Never Surrender is one of my moms favorite albums. And Rush? Shit they're one of the single greatest bands ever.

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Let's just look at some of the Guess Who's greatest hits;

These Eyes
Laughing
No Time
American Woman
No Sugar Tonight/New Mother Nature
Undun
Bus Rider
Share the Land

These tunes keep getting played, why?,..cuz they're great tunes. Hate to bring it up but after decades people are still humming these songs. Will people be humming Tupac, R. Kelly, N.W.A.,Dr. Dre, and Salt-n-Pepa 40 years from now. Maybe. But I'll be listening.

Random site about one of Canada'a best bands.
http://www.guesswhofans.com/
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Old 11-26-2004, 10:39 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Share The Land...man that song is just too good.

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Old 11-26-2004, 11:31 PM   #18 (permalink)
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That list gets absolutely zero credit from me because of it's total absence of any jazz whatsoever.
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Old 11-27-2004, 06:38 AM   #19 (permalink)
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so Rolling Stone magazine votes a song as no 1 that has the words Rolling Stone in the title????

I see!
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Old 11-27-2004, 06:43 AM   #20 (permalink)
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hip hop and rap are very under-represented. Fuck Tha Police should be in the top 50, not 417.. to be honest it seems like a list written by 30-40 something middle class white guys. The 60's and 70's provide nearly all the songs they list.
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Old 11-27-2004, 06:28 PM   #21 (permalink)
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But, really is possable to put a list together of the 500 best songs with out pissing people off?
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Old 11-27-2004, 11:21 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I imagine yes if all 500 of them are actually the best 500 songs of all time and you make absolutely sure the song that precedes the other is actually technically better. Hey Ya is a fun song...technically better than a timeless classic like The Thrill is Gone, Dream On, or Bohemian Rhapsody? NO! Not even in the slightest. Unthinkable to even consider putting it there.

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Old 11-28-2004, 08:18 AM   #23 (permalink)
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I hate these top song lists - there different from every magazine depending on who's picking the songs. Rolling Stone magazine sucks - by the way.
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Old 11-28-2004, 07:03 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Old 11-29-2004, 01:49 PM   #25 (permalink)
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I imagine yes if all 500 of them are actually the best 500 songs of all time and you make absolutely sure the song that precedes the other is actually technically better. Hey Ya is a fun song...technically better than a timeless classic like The Thrill is Gone, Dream On, or Bohemian Rhapsody? NO! Not even in the slightest. Unthinkable to even consider putting it there.

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I'll have to go ahead and totally disagree with you here, Hey Ya is a great song! Just because it may currently be overplayed on the radio and TV doesn't mean it's not a pop masterpiece (excuse the oxymoron). A lot of people dismiss Outkast as just another toss-off rap group, but really it's quality music made by real musicians. Also there's a lot of blatent racism in the music industry still, especially regarding innovation. Hey Ya has a complex beat and those subtle keyboard scales, frankly it's an excellent song.

I don't feel "Lose Yourself" is at all as good as "Stan" in the full unedited version, but Stan relies perhaps too heavily on the Dido sample to be considered an original.

The list is so obviously weighted towards 60s and 70s material that anything contemporary is going to be welcomed by me.
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Old 11-29-2004, 03:26 PM   #26 (permalink)
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that is a pretty ridiculous list, i think they really need to think about songs before they throw them on a top n list.
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Old 11-29-2004, 03:30 PM   #27 (permalink)
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See I never said "Hey Ya!" was a bad song. I like Outkast. I pretty much always have but do I think "Hey Ya!" is better than Thrill Is Gone, Fuck The Police, FREE BIRD!, Fire & Rain, Planet Rock, Ain't No Sunshine, Walk This Way, Get Up-Stand Up, Comfortably Numb/Wish You Were Here/Another Brick In The Wall Part 2, Fight The Power, Unchained Melody, etc.etc. that were also on the list behind it, not to mention songs that didn't even make the list? No absolutely not. When I think about it that way it doesn't even deserve to be on this list regardless of whether it's good or not. It's not THAT good man. I'm not saying it because it's recent either and I certainly don't think it shouldn't be there because I'm a racist. I think more often than not people feel obliged to put a recent artist on a list to please some stupid middle aged man going through a midlife crisis and suddenly wants to be hip to the times. I can hardly think of any songs from the past 4 years that deserve to be in Hey Ya's place let alone on the list at all. Give the music time to see if it stands the test of time. I already forgot about Hey Ya.

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Old 11-29-2004, 08:12 PM   #29 (permalink)
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How any musical top ten list can omit Bohemian Rhapsody is just shocking.
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hip hop and rap are very under-represented. Fuck Tha Police should be in the top 50, not 417.. to be honest it seems like a list written by 30-40 something middle class white guys. The 60's and 70's provide nearly all the songs they list.
Fuck Fuck Tha Police.
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The 60's and 70's provide nearly all the songs they list.
That's because music hasn't really been as good since then.
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Old 11-30-2004, 12:25 PM   #32 (permalink)
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See I never said "Hey Ya!" was a bad song. I like Outkast. I pretty much always have but do I think "Hey Ya!" is better than Thrill Is Gone, Fuck The Police, FREE BIRD!, Fire & Rain, Planet Rock, Ain't No Sunshine, Walk This Way, Get Up-Stand Up, Comfortably Numb/Wish You Were Here/Another Brick In The Wall Part 2, Fight The Power, Unchained Melody, etc.etc. that were also on the list behind it, not to mention songs that didn't even make the list? No absolutely not. When I think about it that way it doesn't even deserve to be on this list regardless of whether it's good or not. It's not THAT good man. I'm not saying it because it's recent either and I certainly don't think it shouldn't be there because I'm a racist. I think more often than not people feel obliged to put a recent artist on a list to please some stupid middle aged man going through a midlife crisis and suddenly wants to be hip to the times. I can hardly think of any songs from the past 4 years that deserve to be in Hey Ya's place let alone on the list at all. Give the music time to see if it stands the test of time. I already forgot about Hey Ya.

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Sorry, but yes it's THAT good. Thats all we can really say that I feel it belongs and you don't. I'm fine with that. I didn't mean to imply that you personally were being racist. I'm sorry if you took what I said that way.

If you were to suggest say, a 5 year grace period before a song could be eligible for the list I would have to agree.
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Old 11-30-2004, 05:58 PM   #33 (permalink)
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The list is a joke. I mean, there are obviously great songs on there. But these are all either oldies or Big 5 (now Big 4) artists. Anyone who likes The Wrens (who sacrificed themselves to avoid selling out, and Creed got their contract instead - oh sweet irony) or The Flaming Lips or Broken Social Scene or Yo La Tengo or a million different indie label bands would probably disagree with a lot of the choices.
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Old 11-30-2004, 08:16 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Sorry, but yes it's THAT good. Thats all we can really say that I feel it belongs and you don't. I'm fine with that. I didn't mean to imply that you personally were being racist. I'm sorry if you took what I said that way.

If you were to suggest say, a 5 year grace period before a song could be eligible for the list I would have to agree.
Call it 10 and I'm sold!

(Hey Ya may be that good. Certainly Outkast is heir to Stevie Wonder in some way.)
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