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filtherton · 05-07-2004, 11:49 AM

This is not an attack on people who like music. I just have to get this off my chest.

I can't stand music. All of it, and I know alot of it. Underground, aboveground. I hate it all. Several people whip up musical sounds using instruments and various devices, and then vocalists come in with some nonsense lyrics and just sing over it. Nothing is being said or created. It's just garbage. I hate tool. The write bad middle-school poetry and are proud of that fact. They talk about how they are metal. Avril Lavigne has a band that plays instruments too. Then there is so much hype surrounding music. Words like greatest and incredible are used to describe musicians all the time. I don't think I've ever called NPR incredible, but it is certainly better than all music. Musicians are obsessed with image, themselves, fashion, slang. It just sucks. I'm just getting started. I have some great rants about music. Wait until I'm less intoxicated on my own misunderstanding about the nature of art.

My friend plays guitar and everyone is constantly saying how great he sounds and how incredible he is at playing guitar, but then so is his brother. What are the chances of a sophmore and a senior in highschool in the same family with no musical training having such prodigious guitar playing talent? 100%, because it takes no talent at all to play guitar. I can pick apart that crap in a minute. It might sound like I'm jealous, and I am, but I don't care.

Name one song with no extraineous lyrics that has a single well constructed idea. Not a theme with a bunch of random statements about the theme.

Speaking of a theme with a bunch of random statements about the theme, check out:
http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...threadid=53113

filtherton · 05-07-2004, 11:51 AM

Believe me. I'm familiar with most music. I've seen the tool, britney spears, mozart, korn, and others that you probably haven't heard of. I have something against all of them. Disturbed is really the only group I like.

filtherton · 05-07-2004, 11:54 AM

It has the potenial to be something special. When musical artists start coming up with original ideas, writing their own music, and giving some meaning to their lyrics, music will improve.

Right now every songs is about non-passionate sex, breaking up with a girl, being a misunderstood teenager, breaking up with a girl, being sad, breaking up with a girl, being a misunderstood teenager, breaking up with a girl, being a misunderstood teenager, breaking up with a girl, being a misunderstood teenager, breaking up with a girl, being a misunderstood teenager, breaking up with a girl, being a misunderstood teenager, breaking up with a girl, being a misunderstood teenager.

Just my 2 cents anyway

Redlemon · 05-07-2004, 11:57 AM

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Originally posted by filtherton
Name one song with no extraineous lyrics that has a single well constructed idea. Not a theme with a bunch of random statements about the theme.

I will take that challenge.

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Da Vinci's Notebook - "Title Of The Song"

Declaration of my feelings for you
Elaboration on those feelings
Description of how long these feelings have existed
Belief that no one else could feel the same as I
Reminiscence of the pleasant times we shared
And our relationship's perfection
Recounting of the steps that led to our love's dissolution
Mostly involving my unfaithfulness and lies
Penitent admission of wrongdoing
Discovery of the depth of my affection
Regret over the lateness of my epiphany

(Chorus)
Title of the song
Naïve expression of love
Reluctance to accept that you are gone
Request to turn back time
And rectify my wrongs
Repetition of the title of the song

Enumeration of my various transgressive actions
Of insufficient motivation
Realization that these actions led to your departure
And my resultant lack of sleep and appetite
Renunciation of my past insensitive behavior
Promise of my reformation
Reassurance that you still are foremost in my thoughts now
Need for instructions how to gain your trust again
Request for reconciliation
Listing of the numerous tasks that I'd perform
Of physical and emotional compensation
CHORUS
Acknowledgment that I acted foolishly
Increasingly desperate pleas for your return
Sorrow for my infidelity
Vain hope that my sins are forgivable
Appeal for one more opportunity
Drop to my knees to elicit crowd response
Prayers to my chosen deity
Modulation and I hold a high note...
CHORUS

filtherton · 05-07-2004, 12:02 PM

See, I don't think it's all bad music, but I hate it all with the exception of tool. I went to a musical concert, and I enjoyed it, but I hate how everyone likes it, and blows all musical acts out of proportion like they are gods, and how everyone acts like they are so into it, and all the popular kids from the school are there. Tool thinks they are so great because they write cryptic lyrics, and other musical groups don't. They constantly call attention to the fact that they do, and like all singers, maynard talks about himself the whole time, and hardly any of what he says has meaning.

Then I go see a local band, and they just rock so hard, and are so talented, and don't call attention to themselves at all, but rather what they have to say. No ego you know. All their songs are about breaking up with a girl, or being a misunderstood teenager, but noone is there, noone likes them, and I'm sure I'll never hear them refered to as incredible.

Then there is dredg. The best band ever. I couldn't tell you why, since any criticism that i have had so far can actually be applied to most all music in general. Just suffice to say, i don't hate them despite the fact that their lyrics and music are inherently derivative and they probably aren't really bringing anything new to the table as far as mind-blowing music goes.

filtherton · 05-07-2004, 12:02 PM

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Originally posted by redlemon
I will take that challenge.

Score, my good man.

filtherton · 05-07-2004, 12:04 PM

I hate it, but it gets the ladies dancing *sigh*. Why can't i want to stick my dick in people who don't like music?

filtherton · 05-07-2004, 12:10 PM

Anyway, I never said the musicians weren't talented. I only said that they are proud of the fact that their music is "acoustic" rather than "electric" like most music. Is that really something to be proud of? I mean music has only been played on instruments for like uh thousands of years, and I didn't compare their talent or sound to avril, only the fact that they both play instruments, and one is obsessed with themselves because it makes them different. Hello?!?!? Musicians have been using instruments for thousands of years. Instruments are derivative, just like all music written since the the middle ages. All these jeks think that they are special, just because they make music. It's silly. They teach you how to make music in elementary school, why should i be impressed with grown adults playing with children's toys?

noahfor · 05-07-2004, 12:13 PM

Hey. I hate all music too. It's just that people liking rap is just so in my face that I have to respond. People like you that rush to its defense, singing its praises, I just feel the need to shut it down. I don't like Tool that much by the way. I'm assuming you think I like them from looking at my other posts. That's just an assumption on my part. I did like them. That's why alot of my posts have something do do with them. That was before I realize all music sucked.

filtherton · 05-07-2004, 12:16 PM

Well alot of songs are a description of something, and all the lines work to describe, or they all work to prove a point, but most songs are just like a stew of random shit that pertains to a theme, but the lines don't really have anything to do with eachother other than the fact that they are about the theme, like there is no harmony, or synergy. One exception I can think of is skater boi, by avril lavigne.

People talk about what they like and don't like. It's natural.

filtherton · 05-07-2004, 12:19 PM

yea, thats something i hate about it too, the hype around singing and playing instruments, since when is singing and playing instruments so cool and difficult, its singing and playing instruments. They teach you how to do it in elementary school for chissakes!

noahfor · 05-07-2004, 12:20 PM

You are bothering me with this thread. It is a direct attack on me, and I can't handle it. I have very low self esteem. Just because you disagree with some ignorant comments I made about something doesn't mean you have you go and be a prick. The ferocity with which you attack me is just mind blowing. I haven't been keeping that other thread alive.

filtherton · 05-07-2004, 12:28 PM

I never said all music was shit, i just implied that position by claiming that i hate it all. There is a difference, although it can only be measured in degrees. I do generalize, because I hate music in general, but then you make assumptions like assuming I think I know music because I am speaking like i do know music. We're not perfect. All hatred is pointless, anyway. If I were designing humans I'd probably leave it out, but whoever designed me didn't, and here I am ranting about how much I hate music. In other words: My hatred is not my fault, it is just the way i was created(I am unwilling to accept responsibility for my hatred). While i admit that it is pointless, i can't help allowing my opinions to be influenced by it. All music is music, and I hate music. I have no cause by the way. I'm not trying to persuade anyone not to like it. In fact, there is no point to this thread at all, other than to incite a pointless argument about something that is purely a matter of opinion. I've said it many times in this thread: there are many musical acts that I like, but in general I hate it. I'm not saying it's bad. Alot of it is probably good, but I hate it for reasons other than the quality of the sound. In fact, there is no consistent, qualifiable reason behind my hatred. Like all hatred, it is based on prejudice, misunderstanding and a lack of perspective.

noahfor · 05-07-2004, 12:28 PM

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Originally posted by filtherton
yea, thats something i hate about it too, the hype around singing and playing instruments, since when is singing and playing instruments so cool and difficult, its singing and playing instruments. They teach you how to do it in elementary school for chissakes!

The thing is there is no hype around it, unless of course you are in a rap group. Then, for some reason playing an instrument inspires a certain awe.

"Hey. Were the roots. We play instruments, and other rap groups don't, so let's rub it in everybody's face. Let's name an album after the fact that we do. Let's sing about it in concert, and constantly use the word organic to make it seem even more special."

This thread is going to get locked, because I am too childish to resist arguing with you, so why don't you PM me or AIM me, noahfor123. I'm sure I can come out on top with my arsenal of defense mechanisms.

noahfor · 05-07-2004, 12:31 PM

Oh, I realize that I am responding to you as though you are serious. I'm not that dense.

filtherton · 05-07-2004, 12:33 PM

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Originally posted by noahfor
You are bothering me with this thread. It is a direct attack on me, and I can't handle it. I have very low self esteem. Just because you disagree with some ignorant comments I made about something doesn't mean you have you go and be a prick. The ferocity with which you attack me is just mind blowing. I haven't been keeping that other thread alive.

Its not personal, really. I'm just pointing out that all of the criticism in your thread against rap could be expanded to music as a whole. I apologize if you feel attacked. If it helps any, i can relate to how you feel. It's just a matter of realizing that it is not worth it to hate anything(sound cheesey, i know). Hate is a defect, it is the direct result of a lack of rational thought. If you feel hate for anything you must first realize that hate is irrational and extremely selective, and should not be an acceptable motivation for any action.

noahfor · 05-07-2004, 12:36 PM

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Originally posted by filtherton
In fact, there is no consistent, qualifiable reason behind my hatred. Like all hatred, it is based on prejudice, misunderstanding and a lack of perspective.

The first statement seems to imply that there are hatreds driven by consistant qualifiable reasons, but then the second one says all hatred is based on prejudice, misunderstanding and a lack of perspective. Are you saying that prejudice, misunderstanding and a lack of perspective can be qualifiable reasons to hate?

filtherton · 05-07-2004, 12:44 PM

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Originally posted by noahfor
The first statement seems to imply that there are hatreds driven by consistant qualifiable reasons, but then the second one says all hatred is based on prejudice, misunderstanding and a lack of perspective. Are you saying that prejudice, misunderstanding and a lack of perspective can be qualifiable reasons to hate?

Ooooh, ignore my point and try to get me on a grammatical technicality. Bravo!

If it is really that unclear to you, pretend that the period is a comma.

GuttersnipeXL · 05-07-2004, 12:50 PM

filtherton sez..." Musicians are obsessed with image, themselves, fashion, slang."

Two words my friend, Frank Zappa.

noahfor · 05-07-2004, 12:50 PM

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Originally posted by filtherton
Its not personal, really. I'm just pointing out that all of the criticism in your thread against rap could be expanded to music as a whole. I apologize if you feel attacked. If it helps any, i can relate to how you feel. It's just a matter of realizing that it is not worth it to hate anything(sound cheesey, i know). Hate is a defect, it is the direct result of a lack of rational thought. If you feel hate for anything you must first realize that hate is irrational and extremely selective, and should not be an acceptable motivation for any action.

Right, It's how I feel, which I cannot help. I'm sure I could work around it until I doncau't feel that way, but I just don't care enough to do so.

I think there are lots of hatreds that are natural. Hate exists because in the past it has helped our species out-survive. That is why all human traits exist. That is the only reason hate exists, just like all human traits. I realize this. I realize there is no point to hating. I'm just having fun with it. There is no consequence to posting about how I hate it just to get it off my chest. Anyway, It is natural to hate what is different, because in the wild hatered would probably drive us to kill what is different, and those who hate would have less competetion. I'm trying to get all philosophical or anything because I feel like my intelligence is being attacked. I realize these things about hatred, and I would never act on a hatred that I thought would hurt other people, but it's there in my brain and I can't help it, so I make the I hate rap post. I admit, it wasn't my best moment, and yea alot of it seems contradictory, and like I'm scrambling to find reasons to hate it. I'm not scrambling. The reasons are carved in stone.

The problem with your post is that at times I have ranted about how I hate all music, so it's not like it was a shock.
I'm a confused kid. I attack everything, and when I have to listen to my best friend and girlfriend talk about rap all day long. It's number one on my list of things to attack.

noahfor · 05-07-2004, 12:52 PM

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Originally posted by filtherton
Ooooh, ignore my point and try to get me on a grammatical technicality. Bravo!

If it is really that unclear to you, pretend that the period is a comma.

I told you I have an arsenal of defense mechanisms. Do those include spin techniques, and propaganda, because I have alot of that too.

GuttersnipeXL · 05-07-2004, 12:54 PM

Also, on a side note, I get the impression that MTV is eating your brain.

noahfor · 05-07-2004, 12:57 PM

Whose brain?

GuttersnipeXL · 05-07-2004, 12:58 PM

That was directed at filtherton.

filtherton · 05-07-2004, 01:03 PM

"Don't blame me, i'm a confused kid". Bullshit. Do you know how counterproductive it is to try to defend a position with what amounts to "I know my position doesn't make sense, but it's because i don't know what the hell i am talking about, i'm just a confused kid."
Cop out. Don't blame your best friend/girlfriend relationship problems on rap. From your statement it seems obvious to me that you attack rap as a means of getting some sort of worthless revenge upon your girlfriend and best friend. You can't attack them directly so you attack something that they enjoy. You should be talking to them, not a bunch of strangers on the internet.
I also question your position that hatred has evolutionary value. Hatred must be taught, it doesn't spring forth from nothing. I have never seen any evidence that animals participate in active hatred of other animals.

filtherton · 05-07-2004, 01:05 PM

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Originally posted by GuttersnipeXL
filtherton sez..." Musicians are obsessed with image, themselves, fashion, slang."

Two words my friend, Frank Zappa.

You miss the point, hombre. See the "I hate rap post"
http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showth...&threadid=53113

docbungle · 05-07-2004, 01:11 PM

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Disturbed is really the only group I like.

This alone pretty much discredits you in my mind.

GuttersnipeXL · 05-07-2004, 01:16 PM

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Originally posted by filtherton
You miss the point, hombre. See the "I hate rap post"
http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showth...&threadid=53113

Mmm, I see. I'm staying out of it.

I know docbungle likes good music, just have a look at that avatar!

noahfor · 05-07-2004, 01:24 PM

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Originally posted by docbungle
This alone pretty much discredits you in my mind.

He wasn't serious.

docbungle · 05-07-2004, 01:31 PM

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He wasn't serious

Then what's the point of this entire thread? That some of us are just as ignorant as the people (musicians) we criticize?

I agree. This thread totally supports that.

noahfor · 05-07-2004, 01:31 PM

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Originally posted by filtherton
"Don't blame me, i'm a confused kid". Bullshit. Do you know how counterproductive it is to try to defend a position with what amounts to "I know my position doesn't make sense, but it's because i don't know what the hell i am talking about, i'm just a confused kid."
Cop out. Don't blame your best friend/girlfriend relationship problems on rap. From your statement it seems obvious to me that you attack rap as a means of getting some sort of worthless revenge upon your girlfriend and best friend. You can't attack them directly so you attack something that they enjoy. You should be talking to them, not a bunch of strangers on the internet.
I also question your position that hatred has evolutionary value. Hatred must be taught, it doesn't spring forth from nothing. I have never seen any evidence that animals participate in active hatred of other animals.

Counterproductive to defense, yea, but I'm not trying to defend myself anymore. I'm not arguing anymore. Ok. I was agreeing with you. The confused kid was a not a cop out or an excuse, it was an admission that I am wrong. Ok. I have bigger problems than rap, and I'm not blaming anything on it.

I hate the sound.
I hate the hype.
I think it is contrived.

That is my postion. It makes sense to me. They are things, and I don't like them.

I respected where you were coming from up until that last post. Obvious that my ranting about how I hate rap on the internet is a means of revenge. That's funny.

Why don't you go attack everyone on the worst song by previous artist thread, because they have judged something negatively.

Because you don't observe animals hating, does not mean that it was not a product of evolution. We posess traits that are a product of evolution that are not posessed by other animals, and hatred may be one of them.

noahfor · 05-07-2004, 01:40 PM

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Originally posted by docbungle
Then what's the point of this entire thread? That some of us are just as ignorant as the people (musicians) we criticize?

I agree. This thread totally supports that.

His point is that I'm an idiot for hating rap. I'm a hypocrite, spin doctor, propagandizer, with a vendetta against my girlfriend and best friend.

noahfor · 05-07-2004, 01:41 PM

So you decided to play the talking to strangers on the internet card? Did you? Bad move.

noahfor · 05-07-2004, 01:59 PM

I hate scream music because I don't believe the screaming exists for the sake of screaming. I believe a true scream is an expression of the most intense emotion, and I find it hard to believe that the screaming in alot of sceam music stems from such emotion.

I hate lyrics. They are written for the sake of writing lyrics. They are written as a response to some banal desire to express oneself. We get you, no need to write it down.

I hate music. It's all a contrivance. It exists becuse people have a desire to play music, not to play music.

The thing is it's easy to shoot stuff down because it's a generalization. Well I am not generalizing, anything that does not pertain to what I'm talking about is exempt from my hatred, even if I say I hate all this or all that. Ok.

filtherton · 05-07-2004, 02:27 PM

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Originally posted by noahfor
His point is that I'm an idiot for hating rap. I'm a hypocrite, spin doctor, propagandizer, with a vendetta against my girlfriend and best friend.

My point is that singling out one genre of music as being hateworthy and providing as a basis for said position a set of criteria that could very easily be applied to all forms of art in general is foolhardy.

filtherton · 05-07-2004, 02:30 PM

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Originally posted by noahfor
So you decided to play the talking to strangers on the internet card? Did you? Bad move.

When you spend more time complaining about people you know outside of the internet than you do complaining to the actual people you complain about, then yes, there is a problem there. Obviously i have no problem with internet discussions, otherwise i wouldn't be here in the first place.

YOU'RE the one who attributed you hatred of rap to the fact that your friend and your girlfriend like it, not me.

filtherton · 05-07-2004, 02:31 PM

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Originally posted by docbungle
Then what's the point of this entire thread? That some of us are just as ignorant as the people (musicians) we criticize?

I agree. This thread totally supports that.

Ooooooooh! Burn!

filtherton · 05-07-2004, 02:34 PM

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Originally posted by docbungle
This alone pretty much discredits you in my mind.

If only my pretend made-up self could be a music snob like docbungle.

filtherton · 05-07-2004, 02:38 PM

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Originally posted by noahfor
I respected where you were coming from up until that last post. Obvious that my ranting about how I hate rap on the internet is a means of revenge. That's funny.

Like i said, you were the one who said you hated rap because your friend and your girlfriend like it so much.

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Why don't you go attack everyone on the worst song by previous artist thread, because they have judged something negatively.

Don't give me any ideas.

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Because you don't observe animals hating, does not mean that it was not a product of evolution. We posess traits that are a product of evolution that are not posessed by other animals, and hatred may be one of them.

So your basis for hate as evolutionary trait is....? Try to avoid the pop-psychology too.

noahfor · 05-07-2004, 02:56 PM

Ok. Well I wasn't giving a basis for my belief that hate is an evolutionary trait. I was just saying that just because animals don't have it, doesn't mean we didn't evolve it. That's all I was saying. I did not say I hate rap only because my girlfriend and best friend like it. I hate it for the reasons I hate it. The hates builds up until I have to post on the internet when I have to hear people talk about it constantly. You say I'm the one who said I hate rap because my girlfriend liked it. Yes. I did. I did not say that I am out to get revenge. Which is the assumption of yours that I find funny.

Look, I see your point. I can see right through myself. I'm wrong. I can see myself from your perspective. The thing is it wasn't a big deal to me. I was just trying to express myself the way all those great artists do, except completely devoid of any meaning, uplifting power, spirit, or poetry.

05-07-2004, 11:49 AM	#1 (permalink)
filtherton Junkie Location: In the land of ice and snow.	The "I hate all music" thread. This is not an attack on people who like music. I just have to get this off my chest. I can't stand music. All of it, and I know alot of it. Underground, aboveground. I hate it all. Several people whip up musical sounds using instruments and various devices, and then vocalists come in with some nonsense lyrics and just sing over it. Nothing is being said or created. It's just garbage. I hate tool. The write bad middle-school poetry and are proud of that fact. They talk about how they are metal. Avril Lavigne has a band that plays instruments too. Then there is so much hype surrounding music. Words like greatest and incredible are used to describe musicians all the time. I don't think I've ever called NPR incredible, but it is certainly better than all music. Musicians are obsessed with image, themselves, fashion, slang. It just sucks. I'm just getting started. I have some great rants about music. Wait until I'm less intoxicated on my own misunderstanding about the nature of art. My friend plays guitar and everyone is constantly saying how great he sounds and how incredible he is at playing guitar, but then so is his brother. What are the chances of a sophmore and a senior in highschool in the same family with no musical training having such prodigious guitar playing talent? 100%, because it takes no talent at all to play guitar. I can pick apart that crap in a minute. It might sound like I'm jealous, and I am, but I don't care. Name one song with no extraineous lyrics that has a single well constructed idea. Not a theme with a bunch of random statements about the theme. Speaking of a theme with a bunch of random statements about the theme, check out: http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...threadid=53113

05-07-2004, 12:13 PM	#9 (permalink)
noahfor Addict	Hey. I hate all music too. It's just that people liking rap is just so in my face that I have to respond. People like you that rush to its defense, singing its praises, I just feel the need to shut it down. I don't like Tool that much by the way. I'm assuming you think I like them from looking at my other posts. That's just an assumption on my part. I did like them. That's why alot of my posts have something do do with them. That was before I realize all music sucked. Last edited by noahfor; 05-07-2004 at 12:16 PM..

05-07-2004, 12:50 PM	#19 (permalink)
GuttersnipeXL Giggity Giggity!! Location: N'York	filtherton sez..." Musicians are obsessed with image, themselves, fashion, slang." Two words my friend, Frank Zappa. __________________ When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. HST

05-07-2004, 12:54 PM	#22 (permalink)
GuttersnipeXL Giggity Giggity!! Location: N'York	Also, on a side note, I get the impression that MTV is eating your brain. __________________ When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. HST

05-07-2004, 12:58 PM	#24 (permalink)
GuttersnipeXL Giggity Giggity!! Location: N'York	That was directed at filtherton. __________________ When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. HST

05-07-2004, 11:51 AM	#2 (permalink)
filtherton Junkie Location: In the land of ice and snow.	Believe me. I'm familiar with most music. I've seen the tool, britney spears, mozart, korn, and others that you probably haven't heard of. I have something against all of them. Disturbed is really the only group I like.

05-07-2004, 11:54 AM	#3 (permalink)
filtherton Junkie Location: In the land of ice and snow.	It has the potenial to be something special. When musical artists start coming up with original ideas, writing their own music, and giving some meaning to their lyrics, music will improve. Right now every songs is about non-passionate sex, breaking up with a girl, being a misunderstood teenager, breaking up with a girl, being sad, breaking up with a girl, being a misunderstood teenager, breaking up with a girl, being a misunderstood teenager, breaking up with a girl, being a misunderstood teenager, breaking up with a girl, being a misunderstood teenager, breaking up with a girl, being a misunderstood teenager, breaking up with a girl, being a misunderstood teenager. Just my 2 cents anyway

05-07-2004, 12:02 PM	#5 (permalink)
filtherton Junkie Location: In the land of ice and snow.	See, I don't think it's all bad music, but I hate it all with the exception of tool. I went to a musical concert, and I enjoyed it, but I hate how everyone likes it, and blows all musical acts out of proportion like they are gods, and how everyone acts like they are so into it, and all the popular kids from the school are there. Tool thinks they are so great because they write cryptic lyrics, and other musical groups don't. They constantly call attention to the fact that they do, and like all singers, maynard talks about himself the whole time, and hardly any of what he says has meaning. Then I go see a local band, and they just rock so hard, and are so talented, and don't call attention to themselves at all, but rather what they have to say. No ego you know. All their songs are about breaking up with a girl, or being a misunderstood teenager, but noone is there, noone likes them, and I'm sure I'll never hear them refered to as incredible. Then there is dredg. The best band ever. I couldn't tell you why, since any criticism that i have had so far can actually be applied to most all music in general. Just suffice to say, i don't hate them despite the fact that their lyrics and music are inherently derivative and they probably aren't really bringing anything new to the table as far as mind-blowing music goes.

05-07-2004, 12:04 PM	#7 (permalink)
filtherton Junkie Location: In the land of ice and snow.	I hate it, but it gets the ladies dancing sigh. Why can't i want to stick my dick in people who don't like music?

05-07-2004, 12:10 PM	#8 (permalink)
filtherton Junkie Location: In the land of ice and snow.	Anyway, I never said the musicians weren't talented. I only said that they are proud of the fact that their music is "acoustic" rather than "electric" like most music. Is that really something to be proud of? I mean music has only been played on instruments for like uh thousands of years, and I didn't compare their talent or sound to avril, only the fact that they both play instruments, and one is obsessed with themselves because it makes them different. Hello?!?!? Musicians have been using instruments for thousands of years. Instruments are derivative, just like all music written since the the middle ages. All these jeks think that they are special, just because they make music. It's silly. They teach you how to make music in elementary school, why should i be impressed with grown adults playing with children's toys?

05-07-2004, 12:16 PM	#10 (permalink)
filtherton Junkie Location: In the land of ice and snow.	Well alot of songs are a description of something, and all the lines work to describe, or they all work to prove a point, but most songs are just like a stew of random shit that pertains to a theme, but the lines don't really have anything to do with eachother other than the fact that they are about the theme, like there is no harmony, or synergy. One exception I can think of is skater boi, by avril lavigne. People talk about what they like and don't like. It's natural.

05-07-2004, 12:19 PM	#11 (permalink)
filtherton Junkie Location: In the land of ice and snow.	yea, thats something i hate about it too, the hype around singing and playing instruments, since when is singing and playing instruments so cool and difficult, its singing and playing instruments. They teach you how to do it in elementary school for chissakes!

05-07-2004, 12:20 PM	#12 (permalink)
noahfor Addict	You are bothering me with this thread. It is a direct attack on me, and I can't handle it. I have very low self esteem. Just because you disagree with some ignorant comments I made about something doesn't mean you have you go and be a prick. The ferocity with which you attack me is just mind blowing. I haven't been keeping that other thread alive.

05-07-2004, 12:28 PM	#13 (permalink)
filtherton Junkie Location: In the land of ice and snow.	I never said all music was shit, i just implied that position by claiming that i hate it all. There is a difference, although it can only be measured in degrees. I do generalize, because I hate music in general, but then you make assumptions like assuming I think I know music because I am speaking like i do know music. We're not perfect. All hatred is pointless, anyway. If I were designing humans I'd probably leave it out, but whoever designed me didn't, and here I am ranting about how much I hate music. In other words: My hatred is not my fault, it is just the way i was created(I am unwilling to accept responsibility for my hatred). While i admit that it is pointless, i can't help allowing my opinions to be influenced by it. All music is music, and I hate music. I have no cause by the way. I'm not trying to persuade anyone not to like it. In fact, there is no point to this thread at all, other than to incite a pointless argument about something that is purely a matter of opinion. I've said it many times in this thread: there are many musical acts that I like, but in general I hate it. I'm not saying it's bad. Alot of it is probably good, but I hate it for reasons other than the quality of the sound. In fact, there is no consistent, qualifiable reason behind my hatred. Like all hatred, it is based on prejudice, misunderstanding and a lack of perspective.

05-07-2004, 12:31 PM	#15 (permalink)
noahfor Addict	Oh, I realize that I am responding to you as though you are serious. I'm not that dense.

05-07-2004, 12:57 PM	#23 (permalink)
noahfor Addict	Whose brain?

05-07-2004, 01:03 PM	#25 (permalink)
filtherton Junkie Location: In the land of ice and snow.	"Don't blame me, i'm a confused kid". Bullshit. Do you know how counterproductive it is to try to defend a position with what amounts to "I know my position doesn't make sense, but it's because i don't know what the hell i am talking about, i'm just a confused kid." Cop out. Don't blame your best friend/girlfriend relationship problems on rap. From your statement it seems obvious to me that you attack rap as a means of getting some sort of worthless revenge upon your girlfriend and best friend. You can't attack them directly so you attack something that they enjoy. You should be talking to them, not a bunch of strangers on the internet. I also question your position that hatred has evolutionary value. Hatred must be taught, it doesn't spring forth from nothing. I have never seen any evidence that animals participate in active hatred of other animals.

05-07-2004, 01:41 PM	#33 (permalink)
noahfor Addict	So you decided to play the talking to strangers on the internet card? Did you? Bad move.

05-07-2004, 01:59 PM	#34 (permalink)
noahfor Addict	I hate scream music because I don't believe the screaming exists for the sake of screaming. I believe a true scream is an expression of the most intense emotion, and I find it hard to believe that the screaming in alot of sceam music stems from such emotion. I hate lyrics. They are written for the sake of writing lyrics. They are written as a response to some banal desire to express oneself. We get you, no need to write it down. I hate music. It's all a contrivance. It exists becuse people have a desire to play music, not to play music. The thing is it's easy to shoot stuff down because it's a generalization. Well I am not generalizing, anything that does not pertain to what I'm talking about is exempt from my hatred, even if I say I hate all this or all that. Ok.

05-07-2004, 02:56 PM	#40 (permalink)
noahfor Addict	Ok. Well I wasn't giving a basis for my belief that hate is an evolutionary trait. I was just saying that just because animals don't have it, doesn't mean we didn't evolve it. That's all I was saying. I did not say I hate rap only because my girlfriend and best friend like it. I hate it for the reasons I hate it. The hates builds up until I have to post on the internet when I have to hear people talk about it constantly. You say I'm the one who said I hate rap because my girlfriend liked it. Yes. I did. I did not say that I am out to get revenge. Which is the assumption of yours that I find funny. Look, I see your point. I can see right through myself. I'm wrong. I can see myself from your perspective. The thing is it wasn't a big deal to me. I was just trying to express myself the way all those great artists do, except completely devoid of any meaning, uplifting power, spirit, or poetry.