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phaulb · 04-27-2003, 02:33 AM

am i the only one who gets annoyed at what is called r&b today ,for me r&b is classic music such as "smoke stack lightning" or "the hootchie coothchie man" not some wimped out music pushed by marketing men.
glad i got that of my chest

bullgoose · 04-27-2003, 06:55 AM

I've been a blues fan for a good number of years; there's a tendancy amoung blues afficianados to classify different blues, but it's gotten to the point where it's just plain silly. In the early days, when the musicians weren't as mobile as they are now (LOTS of the early artists WALKED where they were going; couldn't afford a car.) there were some real regional differences; for instance Blind Willie McTell was from the southeast or Piedmont area; Robert Johnson was a Mississippi or delta bluesman; the differences were real, because a bluesman that was very well known in a local area had never been heard of 50 miles away.
I realise I've gotten away from the point, but labeling something as "R&B" is just silly; a LOT of R&B tunes are very old songs; I'd be willing to bet that "Hootchie-Cootchie Man" is damn near a hundred years old; I KNOW it was around in the 1920's; I've seen it credited to Willie Dixon; the question is, which Willie Dixon? No one seems to know exactly how many Willie Dixons there were. I DO remember when Led Zepplin got sued for violating copyrights for a couple of songs that they thought were in the public domain, but the writer was still alive and had a valid copyright; he sued and won.
All a blues lover can do is just skip the labels and enjoy the music.

phaulb · 04-27-2003, 07:52 AM

i agree with what you say about enjoying the music B but what i was talking about was how nowadays everything is marketed and has to be named even if the name used bares no resemblance to what it actually origionaly meant

bullgoose · 04-27-2003, 10:59 AM

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Originally posted by phaulb
i agree with what you say about enjoying the music B but what i was talking about was how nowadays everything is marketed and has to be named even if the name used bares no resemblance to what it actually origionaly meant

yeah, I agree. It's something in human nature that makes us want to put a label on everything; I don't get the significance; why not just enjoy it for what it is?

Johnny Rotten · 04-27-2003, 01:19 PM

R&B these days is just ethnic pop music. New jack swing back in the early nineties cemented this direction.

04-27-2003, 02:33 AM	#1 (permalink)
phaulb Upright Location: glasgow scotland	R&B am i the only one who gets annoyed at what is called r&b today ,for me r&b is classic music such as "smoke stack lightning" or "the hootchie coothchie man" not some wimped out music pushed by marketing men. glad i got that of my chest __________________ always have a plan b

04-27-2003, 06:55 AM	#2 (permalink)
bullgoose Insane Location: Central N.Y.	I've been a blues fan for a good number of years; there's a tendancy amoung blues afficianados to classify different blues, but it's gotten to the point where it's just plain silly. In the early days, when the musicians weren't as mobile as they are now (LOTS of the early artists WALKED where they were going; couldn't afford a car.) there were some real regional differences; for instance Blind Willie McTell was from the southeast or Piedmont area; Robert Johnson was a Mississippi or delta bluesman; the differences were real, because a bluesman that was very well known in a local area had never been heard of 50 miles away. I realise I've gotten away from the point, but labeling something as "R&B" is just silly; a LOT of R&B tunes are very old songs; I'd be willing to bet that "Hootchie-Cootchie Man" is damn near a hundred years old; I KNOW it was around in the 1920's; I've seen it credited to Willie Dixon; the question is, which Willie Dixon? No one seems to know exactly how many Willie Dixons there were. I DO remember when Led Zepplin got sued for violating copyrights for a couple of songs that they thought were in the public domain, but the writer was still alive and had a valid copyright; he sued and won. All a blues lover can do is just skip the labels and enjoy the music. __________________ "If I had it to do all over, I'd do it all over you."

04-27-2003, 07:52 AM	#3 (permalink)
phaulb Upright Location: glasgow scotland	i agree with what you say about enjoying the music B but what i was talking about was how nowadays everything is marketed and has to be named even if the name used bares no resemblance to what it actually origionaly meant __________________ always have a plan b

04-27-2003, 01:19 PM	#5 (permalink)
Johnny Rotten lost and found Location: Berkeley	R&B these days is just ethnic pop music. New jack swing back in the early nineties cemented this direction. __________________ "The idea that money doesn't buy you happiness is a lie put about by the rich, to stop the poor from killing them." -- Michael Caine