Why does rap even exist? - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

DownwardSpiral · 09-05-2003, 01:22 PM

I don't know about you guys, but I've been wondering lately why rap still exists. Rap, as it stands now, is by far the worst genre of music out there in my opinion. But i'm looking forward to seeing the responses I get from this, so if you can tell me why rap is still around go for it, or if you hate it as much as I and wonder why it's still around, say something. But let's see what you people here at good ol' TFP think.

Mr.Deflok · 09-05-2003, 01:57 PM

Top 40 is bad, sure, but not all Rap is bad. The only genre that is all bad right now is Pop, mainly because Pop is Top 40.

Halx · 09-05-2003, 02:10 PM

That's being overly judgemental.
I'm not a fan of rap, but I understand it. Some people are really good at it, most are complete crap. Doesn't mean it shouldn't exist. As long as MTV plays it, though, it will be around. There is a whole culture that embraces it.

mrcraptastic · 09-05-2003, 02:18 PM

i'd have to agree with halx, some people ARE really good at it, i know i couldn't freestyle if my life depnded on it... however, i've gotten to the point of not being able to watch muchmusic or mtv because i can't stand to watch rap every second video.. rap and pop, cant stand them... its too bad edgetv shut down, it was the best music channel i've ever seen.

90degree · 09-05-2003, 02:50 PM

it will prolly go the way of the hair band at some point.. until then.. deal.. hehehe

Mr. Spacemonkey · 09-05-2003, 03:07 PM

I definetely don't understand why rap is as big as it is.

Sure, it may take skill to make good lyrics (although most the lyrics in rap are pretty bad anyways) or to freestyle or whatever but as far as carrying a good tone and being able to actually "sing" rappers don't show that they have that skill. At least singers in the other genres show that they can actually sing. Rappers just pretty much yell out things that rhyme.

However, i do think it takes talent to be able to write some of the lyrics they do. But music isn't just about being able to write good lyrics.

docbungle · 09-05-2003, 04:04 PM

Why does country exist? I hate it, but it's still there. Why? Because a lot of people love it. Rap makes more money than anything right now, thanks to MTV. I'm glad it "still exists", as it gives me more options when I want to listen to something.

Esoteric · 09-05-2003, 04:20 PM

Heh, that'd be like me saying why does rock exist. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but to not acknowledge that rap isn't music is just being ignorant.

Sledge · 09-05-2003, 04:40 PM

I don't know. I REALLY LIKE the idea of giving rhythm to the spoken word and attaching a bassline. Pity it's been done so badly.

Everybody hates gangsta rap, but there are other kinds too that are quite worth a listen.

DownwardSpiral · 09-05-2003, 05:01 PM

I'm not saying that freestyle is bad, the rap I speak of is the so called 'gangsta' rap. It's stupid, ya know. How many people can honestly tell me that gangsta rap is music? Lyrics wrote by rappers like Ludacris and Eminem are horrible. Eminem can freestyle i'll give him that, but the lyrics to a lot of his songs are some of the worst lyrics i've ever heard in my life.

docbungle · 09-05-2003, 05:07 PM

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but to not acknowledge that rap isn't music is just being ignorant.

You calling me ignorant because my taste in music differs from yours? Or am I misinterpreting what you said?

Asshole Lover · 09-05-2003, 05:14 PM

rap represents black culture. i live in brooklyn and i believe that they really live it.

imo - some of it is catchy. most of it has lots of energy. so i don't hate it although i am a rock fan. weezer and greenday baby!

K-Wise · 09-05-2003, 06:29 PM

Look man first I'll handle this maturely and tell you that you're being very ignorant with your words. Okay lemme school on why rap first started. Rap started as a fun type party thing yes....but the true reason rap started is because of the conditions that the african american had to go through every day. The entire hip-hop culture (Emcee'n, B-boy'n, Tag'n, Dj'n) started as a way to get children off of the streets....to get them away from the drugs and the violence that was their everyday actuality. It also gave people who would have never been given a chance a way to make something of themselves and be able to live a sucessful life, making good money without having to sell drugs or wind up in jail. Education in some area's really is bullshit and for most people they just aren't given a chance. Rather than try hard to get a degree from a bunch of people who are just gonna look down on them anyway they say ta hell with all that. Thats still what they are doing. And though I know most of them really don't have a lot of lyrical talent I still can't hate on them for wanting to better their situation. We all make bad choices knaw mean? 50 cent is a good example...if he was never given a chance in the music industry he'd prolly be slingin drugs comin in and out a jail. And I know what you're saying "So what thats their fault they coulda gotten an education blah blah blah" all I say to that is unless you livin their reality....you dunno shit about it and you don't know if education really was an option for them....Some a ya'll have never experianced some real discrimination or some real racism so really you dunno so ya have no business talkin bout it. It really started as more of a no equal opportunity thing and still that way in a lot of cases today.

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I definetely don't understand why rap is as big as it is.

Sure, it may take skill to make good lyrics (although most the lyrics in rap are pretty bad anyways) or to freestyle or whatever but as far as carrying a good tone and being able to actually "sing" rappers don't show that they have that skill. At least singers in the other genres show that they can actually sing. Rappers just pretty much yell out things that rhyme.

However, i do think it takes talent to be able to write some of the lyrics they do. But music isn't just about being able to write good lyrics.

Now as for you. Do you write lyrics yourself? And by lyrics I mean REAL lyrics not the rinky dink shit you see on MTV everyday.(If you need an example I'll show you) Cause if you don't then you really don't know what you are talking about. Take it from me. I am both a rapper and a singer...I'm not blowing smoke up your ass I really and truely do both and I'd like to think I do both extremely well all conciet asside I have a real passion for it. And I can tell you for a fact I do both and rapping is MUCH harder than singing. If you have a good voice you can sing anything and it sounds good. Most of the worlds most famous vocalists don't even write their own lyrics they just sing other peoples songs and no one has a problem with it. (Ex: BoysIIMen, Celine Dion, Various boybands & girl groups have had most of their big hits written for them...Destiny's Child for example, etc.) In the hip-hop world you absolutely cannot have the lyrics written for you and get away with it. It has to be complete originality. If someone finds out you have a ghostwriter....you're nothing. Rhyming is not as easy as it seems especially since you have to accurately portray exact feelings and emotions all while still rhyming. When you sing you only have to put words or sentences its not hard if you look at most songs the lyrics are very simply written and since you have a good voice it's very easy to make the simplest lyrics sound great. Thats not the same with rapping like you said since yer basically just "talking" you have to have something else there that is of appeal. You have to have a good flow, delivery, word usage, metaphors, multiple rhyme schemes...all while keeping time. I challenge any of you to write a rhyme and impress me. It wouldn't be easy. It's really hard to explain but I do both and I know it for a fact rapping is definitely harder than singing. If you really wanna do it good and respectfully instead of these fuckers who do cat in the hat rhymes for a quick buck I can honestly say it's one of the hardest genre's out there except for Choral and operatic music....and instrumentalism.

Asta!!

Halx · 09-05-2003, 06:32 PM

Man, they're still slingin' drugs now that they have mounds of cash... don't deny that.

K-Wise · 09-05-2003, 06:43 PM

Not all of em man. Most of them don't need to anymore so why the hell would they ya know? Really doesn't make sense. Only the ones that haven't truely made it still do that. But for the really big names....they already have money and there is way too much risk involved in slingin drugs to wanna pursue it further. There is also no future what so ever in it. Eventually everyone gets caught or killed and they gotta keep that in mind every day they do that.

Asta!!

costello · 09-05-2003, 07:01 PM

mainstream rap right now is a horrid monster, and in order to make it big you have to talk about material possesions ... women ... and crap like that. if you would make an effort to check out underground artists i think you would find that there are people out there trying to put out intelligent, thought provoking lyrics that are not mtv bullcrap. for instance, check out an underground label called Definitive Jux. some of their artists include: Cannibal Ox, they're founder El-P, Aesop Rock, and my personal favorite Mr. Lif. dont deny yourself this fantastic genere of music because mtv butchers it to hell. hardly anything on mtv is a true representation of the music anyway so dont base your opinions on that.

K-Wise · 09-05-2003, 07:05 PM

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Originally posted by costello
mainstream rap right now is a horrid monster, and in order to make it big you have to talk about material possesions ... women ... and crap like that. if you would make an effort to check out underground artists i think you would find that there are people out there trying to put out intelligent, thought provoking lyrics that are not mtv bullcrap. for instance, check out an underground label called Definitive Jux. some of their artists include: Cannibal Ox, they're founder El-P, Aesop Rock, and my personal favorite Mr. Lif. dont deny yourself this fantastic genere of music because mtv butchers it to hell. hardly anything on mtv is a true representation of the music anyway so dont base your opinions on that.

Couldn't a said it better myself. Def Jux has got some great artists I'm a huge fan a Aesop as well. Binary Star are another great group....Black Star too. Saul Williams(Also a well noted poet). List goes on and on and on.

Asta!!

Esoteric · 09-05-2003, 07:05 PM

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You calling me ignorant because my taste in music differs from yours? Or am I misinterpreting what you said?

Was just a statement, wasn't directed at anyone. I was just saying the people that don't acknowledge that rap is still music even if you don't like it is just being ignorant.

Cowman · 09-05-2003, 07:10 PM

Uh..the reason rappers "cant sing", is because they don't sing..they rap

Rap can, and is quality music. You can't dismiss it because you don't enjoy it, or because you think it's too popular or whatever. A lot of eminem's lyrics are pretty fucked up, I agree..but they are pretty much all genius, and a lot of kids can relate to them, thus he sells records. Eminem represent's *mainstream* rap, and he does it extremely well. I don't know anything about underground rap, or freestyling, but everyone's got their form of expression and if you can't respect it you probably shouldn't talk about it.

Kaos · 09-05-2003, 08:17 PM

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Originally posted by Mr. Spacemonkey

However, i do think it takes talent to be able to write some of the lyrics they do.

Ya, there isn't too many words that rhyme with Bitch

IC3 · 09-05-2003, 08:26 PM

There is lots of music that i despise...But I don't think I have ever thought why does this music exist.

I honestly think that i have never heard a question like that before.

What I was gonna say has already been said by a few different people in previous posts...Listening to Rap is one thing, But actually knowing why it was started and what it all means is another...IMO anyways....

Shauk · 09-06-2003, 02:17 PM

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Originally posted by Kaos
Ya, there isn't too many words that rhyme with Bitch

itch
mitch
ditch
sandwich
bah, i dunno. I was actually going to write a list but then i got bored after 4 words... i just dont have it in me today. hahaha

Halx · 09-06-2003, 05:40 PM

if they aren't selling drugs, they're doin' drugs... risk or not.. they think they are invincible BECAUSE they have so much money.

Thats just what happens when humans get famous. I'm willing to say 75% of the time.

MEAD · 09-06-2003, 07:56 PM

I don't have a problem with rap at all. I mean I don't like it but I don't get upset with it. I have coem to this point mainly because of one fact, rap isn't music. Really man most rap is not music at all it is something else, it is poetry. And to think of rap as poetry kinda makes the situation worse for most rapper not only is it bad music but it is also bad poetry aswell. I think rappers should get thier heads around the fac that they are not creating music and that they are lucky that people think it is music, 'cause think of how many people would acctually buy a book of "gangsta" poetry....

IC3 · 09-06-2003, 08:04 PM

So can you guys give me a couple reasons why you hate rap so much...Specially you downwardspiral. Besides saying that It's not music?

IC3 · 09-06-2003, 08:13 PM

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Originally posted by Halx
if they aren't selling drugs, they're doin' drugs... risk or not.. they think they are invincible BECAUSE they have so much money.

Thats just what happens when humans get famous. I'm willing to say 75% of the time.

I agree with you somewhat, But not all rappers are doin drugs...One rapper that I thought would definately be a drug head was Ice T, But openly said in an Interview that he doesn't drink or do any kind of drugs. Even though that could have been bullshit, I actually believe that he doesn't do any drugs.

Ice Cube, I am unable to see him doing drugs...He just didn't seem like the type to do them, he was one man that has his head on straight...Look at him, Rapper gone Movie Star practically.

I don't know, I may be wrong but I think there are alot that don't do them.

K-Wise · 09-06-2003, 09:19 PM

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Originally posted by Halx
if they aren't selling drugs, they're doin' drugs... risk or not.. they think they are invincible BECAUSE they have so much money.

Thats just what happens when humans get famous. I'm willing to say 75% of the time.

As is the same in all genre's of music as well so that argument has no grounds what so ever. The beatles were doped up, so were the rolling stones, so was Elvis, so were Nirvana, Whitney, Zepplin, etc. etc. Some it's even been the death of em. Most of em do at least one form or drug or alchohol. Doesn't mean it isn't music. I mean look at groups like The Talking Heads. I bet you think they were revolutionary but they weren't singing. They were just talkin. Same with Punk music all their doing is screaming but yet thats considered music. Think about what you say before ya say something stupid.

Asta!!

DownwardSpiral · 09-07-2003, 03:32 PM

Reasons why I hate rap you want? I guess the main reason why is that when I hear rap on TV or on the radio or something, all I hear is some fast talking moron who talks about his money, his drugs, yaya etc and it gets really annoying. Those rappers like 50 Cent and all the mainstream rappers in my opinion give rap a bad name, thus if the vast majority of what you hear is crap, you don't wanna hear anymore of the artists from that genre because you assume that they all sound the same. To me they do all sound the same. And if artists in a genre sound the same, what's the point? Overlyjudgmental? Perhaps, but that's my opinion.

gallopingwanker · 09-07-2003, 03:44 PM

i just think it's funny as K-Wise stated, that the hip-hop culture all started as a way to get kids off the streets because of..(drugs and violence)....and now all i hear them rap about is...(drugs and violence)...keep in mind, all the rap i hear is on the radio

breid · 09-07-2003, 05:43 PM

I love it. Some of the most modern sounds and bass lines come from this music. All music is sounding a little like rap now anyway. Country to Rock. If we keep listening to sounds of the past, where will we be in 5 or 10 years?

World's King · 09-07-2003, 05:45 PM

It's here still just to piss you off.

Happy now?

HOLLA

IC3 · 09-07-2003, 06:06 PM

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Originally posted by gallopingwanker
i just think it's funny as K-Wise stated, that the hip-hop culture all started as a way to get kids off the streets because of..(drugs and violence)....and now all i hear them rap about is...(drugs and violence)...keep in mind, all the rap i hear is on the radio

Keep in mind that this is all entertainment...But at the same time, 99% of MC's were raised in this kind of Environment...They are rapping about what they have been through in thier life.

They are rapping about what the average African American goes through living in the ghetto...About what goes on in the Ghetto. And don't say that it's there choice to stay in the Ghetto...Cause they usually aren't given a chance to better themselves....So they start rapping about what they have went through and what they are going through in life....And you know what? There is more people than you know that relate to it...Not just black people but every race.

Most of you think that Rap is garbage...Well I think Country is Garbage, I don't complain about it though...I just don't listen to it.

Maybe it's that you can't relate to it...Or you don't know anything about it except what you want to know....And from what I am seeing, The reason is because they Rap about Drugs & Violence...So what?

Mr. Spacemonkey · 09-07-2003, 06:20 PM

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Originally posted by IC3
Most of you think that Rap is garbage...Well I think Country is Garbage, I don't complain about it though...I just don't listen to it.

I think rap and country both are garbage, how's that

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Originally posted by IC3
Maybe it's that you can't relate to it...Or you don't know anything about it except what you want to know....And from what I am seeing, The reason is because they Rap about Drugs & Violence...So what?

Yeah, that's it for me. There's just something about hearing a guy yelling about how rich he is or about beating the shit out of people or about how much drugs they do that just seems a little stupid to me. But then again, that's just me.

IC3 · 09-07-2003, 06:23 PM

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Originally posted by DownwardSpiral
Reasons why I hate rap you want? I guess the main reason why is that when I hear rap on TV or on the radio or something, all I hear is some fast talking moron who talks about his money, his drugs, yaya etc and it gets really annoying. Those rappers like 50 Cent and all the mainstream rappers in my opinion give rap a bad name, thus if the vast majority of what you hear is crap, you don't wanna hear anymore of the artists from that genre because you assume that they all sound the same. To me they do all sound the same. And if artists in a genre sound the same, what's the point? Overlyjudgmental? Perhaps, but that's my opinion.

Well...I know that you will never like rap, But don't assume because of the MC's that are shitty, That the whole scene is shitty...Cause that couldn't be further from the truth.

DownwardSpiral · 09-07-2003, 06:50 PM

If I really am that far from the truth, as you put it, than enlighten me as to what the truth is, in your words.

Glad-I-Ate-Her · 09-07-2003, 06:55 PM

Its a street thing that many here will never understand. Its everywhere because its liked by so many young whites. Its all about demagraphics. If if wasn't popular with that group then you would only hear it on certain areas and radio stations.

Its become so big that it is the only true music driving force out there. Most music style have lost popularity. But rap endures. The first main stream rap song I believe was Sugarhill Gang's Rapper's Delight. I think that song came out in 1979. So the mainstream rap culture has been around for 24 years and its never been bigger. It influences music, fashion and attitude in today's young. Several types of music have come and gone in the same time period but rap still prevails. For ex. punk, new wave, hair band rock, grunge, etc. I know that those kinds of music are still popular in certain parts of the population but not as big as rap is.

I'm not really into it like a few here but I can see what influences it has had in today's culture.

Like it or not, you can always change the channel.

Glad

IC3 · 09-07-2003, 07:00 PM

When HipHop first started, It wasn't about money..It was MC's being creative..And experimenting with a new sound, Something The black people could call thier own, To this day there are still MC's outhere that are doing the same thing...It's not about money, The MC's that your hearing on the radio are shit..Well the majority of them are anyways.

All these new MC's that have been coming out the past 5 years or so...Have totally been fucking the scene up with thier lyrics about how much money they got and Bling Bling shit...It's bullshit.

That's not what rap is about...Good HipHop is the shit being produced that's not mainstream...They are Spitting pure Knowledge...I have seen some of K-Wises lyrics that has written, That's HipHop.

So pretty much what I am saying is that i agree with you that the HipHop that you are seeing on TV & hearing on the radio is 90% garbage...But that's all that you are hearing, You don't hear the underground shit that has a totally different sound...I mean ya it's rap, But the tracks have a totally different meaning than the shit you are hearing.

I have said this before...Like the average HipHop head wants to hear some pussy ass MC rap about how much money he's got..And whatever else that they be clockin.

I want to hear Rap that I can relate to...And MC's that rap about Bling Bling and how many bitches they got and how they have a different car for everyday of the week...i can't relate to that, And I bet the majority of thier fans can't relate to that either.

So what you are hearing is totally different than the real shit that's being produced in the underground scene.

DownwardSpiral · 09-07-2003, 07:11 PM

TV and radio rap being 90% garbage? If it all sounds the same how can 10% of it be not garbage?

Glad-I-Ate-Her · 09-07-2003, 07:16 PM

Good point IC3.

Rap and hip hop in its truest form can be considered an art form in free expressions, rythm and beats. Not that gangsta rap, bling bling and the ho's I've banged.

Glad

IC3 · 09-07-2003, 07:21 PM

HipHop sounding all the same is just your opinion, there is actually groups out there that have done there beats on a drum set and guitars.

Me saying that 90% of Mainstream HipHop is garbage is just my Opinion...Just like you have said your opinions...And any true HipHop head on TFP will most likely agree with me that...There is a difference between Underground & mainstream HipHop...I am almost 100% aggreeing with you that The shit that YOU are hearing is garbage...But I do like some of the stuff on the radio, Not much but there is a little bit.

I can't really explain it, But you are hearing...I guess...Like 1 side of HipHop...And that is only the stuff on the radio & TV, There is so much more out there than that.

09-05-2003, 01:22 PM	#1 (permalink)
DownwardSpiral The Funeral of Hearts Location: Trapped inside my mind. . .	Why does rap even exist? I don't know about you guys, but I've been wondering lately why rap still exists. Rap, as it stands now, is by far the worst genre of music out there in my opinion. But i'm looking forward to seeing the responses I get from this, so if you can tell me why rap is still around go for it, or if you hate it as much as I and wonder why it's still around, say something. But let's see what you people here at good ol' TFP think. __________________ "So Keep on Pretending. Our Heavens Worth the Waiting. Keep on Pretending. It's Alright." -- H.I.M., "Pretending"

09-05-2003, 02:10 PM	#3 (permalink)
Halx Please touch this. Owner/Admin Location: Manhattan	That's being overly judgemental. I'm not a fan of rap, but I understand it. Some people are really good at it, most are complete crap. Doesn't mean it shouldn't exist. As long as MTV plays it, though, it will be around. There is a whole culture that embraces it. __________________ You have found this post informative. -The Administrator [Don't Feed The Animals]

09-05-2003, 03:07 PM	#6 (permalink)
Mr. Spacemonkey Wake up Location: Nowhere special	I definetely don't understand why rap is as big as it is. Sure, it may take skill to make good lyrics (although most the lyrics in rap are pretty bad anyways) or to freestyle or whatever but as far as carrying a good tone and being able to actually "sing" rappers don't show that they have that skill. At least singers in the other genres show that they can actually sing. Rappers just pretty much yell out things that rhyme. However, i do think it takes talent to be able to write some of the lyrics they do. But music isn't just about being able to write good lyrics. __________________ "I hope that when the world comes to an end, I can breathe a sigh of relief, because there will be so much to look forward to." -- Donnie Darko

09-05-2003, 04:04 PM	#7 (permalink)
docbungle It's all downhill from here Location: Denver	Why does country exist? I hate it, but it's still there. Why? Because a lot of people love it. Rap makes more money than anything right now, thanks to MTV. I'm glad it "still exists", as it gives me more options when I want to listen to something. __________________ Bad Luck City

09-05-2003, 04:20 PM	#8 (permalink)
Esoteric Tired Location: Florida	Heh, that'd be like me saying why does rock exist. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but to not acknowledge that rap isn't music is just being ignorant. __________________ From a head full of pressure rests the senses that I clutch Made a date with Divinity, but she wouldn't let me fuck I got touched by a hazy shaded, God help me change Caught a rush on the floor from the life in my veins

09-05-2003, 01:57 PM	#2 (permalink)
Mr.Deflok Blood + Fire Location: New Zealand	Top 40 is bad, sure, but not all Rap is bad. The only genre that is all bad right now is Pop, mainly because Pop is Top 40.

09-05-2003, 02:18 PM	#4 (permalink)
mrcraptastic Tilted	i'd have to agree with halx, some people ARE really good at it, i know i couldn't freestyle if my life depnded on it... however, i've gotten to the point of not being able to watch muchmusic or mtv because i can't stand to watch rap every second video.. rap and pop, cant stand them... its too bad edgetv shut down, it was the best music channel i've ever seen.

09-05-2003, 02:50 PM	#5 (permalink)
90degree Insane	it will prolly go the way of the hair band at some point.. until then.. deal.. hehehe

09-05-2003, 04:40 PM	#9 (permalink)
Sledge Pasture Bedtime	I don't know. I REALLY LIKE the idea of giving rhythm to the spoken word and attaching a bassline. Pity it's been done so badly. Everybody hates gangsta rap, but there are other kinds too that are quite worth a listen.

09-05-2003, 05:01 PM	#10 (permalink)
DownwardSpiral The Funeral of Hearts Location: Trapped inside my mind. . .	I'm not saying that freestyle is bad, the rap I speak of is the so called 'gangsta' rap. It's stupid, ya know. How many people can honestly tell me that gangsta rap is music? Lyrics wrote by rappers like Ludacris and Eminem are horrible. Eminem can freestyle i'll give him that, but the lyrics to a lot of his songs are some of the worst lyrics i've ever heard in my life. __________________ "So Keep on Pretending. Our Heavens Worth the Waiting. Keep on Pretending. It's Alright." -- H.I.M., "Pretending"

09-05-2003, 05:14 PM	#12 (permalink)
Asshole Lover Crazy	rap represents black culture. i live in brooklyn and i believe that they really live it. imo - some of it is catchy. most of it has lots of energy. so i don't hate it although i am a rock fan. weezer and greenday baby! __________________ smells like ass, tastes like _______.

09-05-2003, 06:32 PM	#14 (permalink)
Halx Please touch this. Owner/Admin Location: Manhattan	Man, they're still slingin' drugs now that they have mounds of cash... don't deny that. __________________ You have found this post informative. -The Administrator [Don't Feed The Animals]

09-05-2003, 06:43 PM	#15 (permalink)
K-Wise It's All About The Ass!! Location: In a pool of mayonnaise!!	Not all of em man. Most of them don't need to anymore so why the hell would they ya know? Really doesn't make sense. Only the ones that haven't truely made it still do that. But for the really big names....they already have money and there is way too much risk involved in slingin drugs to wanna pursue it further. There is also no future what so ever in it. Eventually everyone gets caught or killed and they gotta keep that in mind every day they do that. Asta!! __________________ "I love music and it's my parents fault (closing statement)." - Me..quoting myself...from when I said that...On TFP..thats here...Tilted Forum Project *It ain't goodbye, it's see ya later! I'll miss you guys!* - Asta!!

09-05-2003, 07:01 PM	#16 (permalink)
costello Insane Location: Tucson	mainstream rap right now is a horrid monster, and in order to make it big you have to talk about material possesions ... women ... and crap like that. if you would make an effort to check out underground artists i think you would find that there are people out there trying to put out intelligent, thought provoking lyrics that are not mtv bullcrap. for instance, check out an underground label called Definitive Jux. some of their artists include: Cannibal Ox, they're founder El-P, Aesop Rock, and my personal favorite Mr. Lif. dont deny yourself this fantastic genere of music because mtv butchers it to hell. hardly anything on mtv is a true representation of the music anyway so dont base your opinions on that. __________________ "They don't even know what it is to be a fan. Y'know? To truly love some silly little piece of music, or some band, so much that it hurts." -Almost Famous

09-05-2003, 07:10 PM	#19 (permalink)
Cowman Psycho	Uh..the reason rappers "cant sing", is because they don't sing..they rap Rap can, and is quality music. You can't dismiss it because you don't enjoy it, or because you think it's too popular or whatever. A lot of eminem's lyrics are pretty fucked up, I agree..but they are pretty much all genius, and a lot of kids can relate to them, thus he sells records. Eminem represent's mainstream rap, and he does it extremely well. I don't know anything about underground rap, or freestyling, but everyone's got their form of expression and if you can't respect it you probably shouldn't talk about it. __________________ You don't like my point of view..but im insane

09-05-2003, 08:26 PM	#21 (permalink)
IC3 Poison Location: Canada	There is lots of music that i despise...But I don't think I have ever thought why does this music exist. I honestly think that i have never heard a question like that before. What I was gonna say has already been said by a few different people in previous posts...Listening to Rap is one thing, But actually knowing why it was started and what it all means is another...IMO anyways.... Last edited by IC3; 09-05-2003 at 08:34 PM..

09-06-2003, 05:40 PM	#23 (permalink)
Halx Please touch this. Owner/Admin Location: Manhattan	if they aren't selling drugs, they're doin' drugs... risk or not.. they think they are invincible BECAUSE they have so much money. Thats just what happens when humans get famous. I'm willing to say 75% of the time. __________________ You have found this post informative. -The Administrator [Don't Feed The Animals]

09-06-2003, 07:56 PM	#24 (permalink)
MEAD Insane Location: South Florida	I don't have a problem with rap at all. I mean I don't like it but I don't get upset with it. I have coem to this point mainly because of one fact, rap isn't music. Really man most rap is not music at all it is something else, it is poetry. And to think of rap as poetry kinda makes the situation worse for most rapper not only is it bad music but it is also bad poetry aswell. I think rappers should get thier heads around the fac that they are not creating music and that they are lucky that people think it is music, 'cause think of how many people would acctually buy a book of "gangsta" poetry....

09-06-2003, 08:04 PM	#25 (permalink)
IC3 Poison Location: Canada	So can you guys give me a couple reasons why you hate rap so much...Specially you downwardspiral. Besides saying that It's not music?

09-07-2003, 03:32 PM	#28 (permalink)
DownwardSpiral The Funeral of Hearts Location: Trapped inside my mind. . .	Reasons why I hate rap you want? I guess the main reason why is that when I hear rap on TV or on the radio or something, all I hear is some fast talking moron who talks about his money, his drugs, yaya etc and it gets really annoying. Those rappers like 50 Cent and all the mainstream rappers in my opinion give rap a bad name, thus if the vast majority of what you hear is crap, you don't wanna hear anymore of the artists from that genre because you assume that they all sound the same. To me they do all sound the same. And if artists in a genre sound the same, what's the point? Overlyjudgmental? Perhaps, but that's my opinion. __________________ "So Keep on Pretending. Our Heavens Worth the Waiting. Keep on Pretending. It's Alright." -- H.I.M., "Pretending"

09-07-2003, 03:44 PM	#29 (permalink)
gallopingwanker At the Lemonade Stand Location: in a theater near you!	i just think it's funny as K-Wise stated, that the hip-hop culture all started as a way to get kids off the streets because of..(drugs and violence)....and now all i hear them rap about is...(drugs and violence)...keep in mind, all the rap i hear is on the radio

09-07-2003, 05:43 PM	#30 (permalink)
breid Insane Location: NOVA sCOTIA	I love it. Some of the most modern sounds and bass lines come from this music. All music is sounding a little like rap now anyway. Country to Rock. If we keep listening to sounds of the past, where will we be in 5 or 10 years?

09-07-2003, 05:45 PM	#31 (permalink)
World's King Here Location: Denver City Denver	It's here still just to piss you off. Happy now? HOLLA __________________ heavy is the head that wears the crown

09-07-2003, 06:50 PM	#35 (permalink)
DownwardSpiral The Funeral of Hearts Location: Trapped inside my mind. . .	If I really am that far from the truth, as you put it, than enlighten me as to what the truth is, in your words. __________________ "So Keep on Pretending. Our Heavens Worth the Waiting. Keep on Pretending. It's Alright." -- H.I.M., "Pretending"

09-07-2003, 06:55 PM	#36 (permalink)
Glad-I-Ate-Her Junkie Location: 1 mile from Ground Zero	Its a street thing that many here will never understand. Its everywhere because its liked by so many young whites. Its all about demagraphics. If if wasn't popular with that group then you would only hear it on certain areas and radio stations. Its become so big that it is the only true music driving force out there. Most music style have lost popularity. But rap endures. The first main stream rap song I believe was Sugarhill Gang's Rapper's Delight. I think that song came out in 1979. So the mainstream rap culture has been around for 24 years and its never been bigger. It influences music, fashion and attitude in today's young. Several types of music have come and gone in the same time period but rap still prevails. For ex. punk, new wave, hair band rock, grunge, etc. I know that those kinds of music are still popular in certain parts of the population but not as big as rap is. I'm not really into it like a few here but I can see what influences it has had in today's culture. Like it or not, you can always change the channel. Glad __________________ I'm "Glad I Ate Her" because the payback was worth it!!

09-07-2003, 07:00 PM	#37 (permalink)
IC3 Poison Location: Canada	When HipHop first started, It wasn't about money..It was MC's being creative..And experimenting with a new sound, Something The black people could call thier own, To this day there are still MC's outhere that are doing the same thing...It's not about money, The MC's that your hearing on the radio are shit..Well the majority of them are anyways. All these new MC's that have been coming out the past 5 years or so...Have totally been fucking the scene up with thier lyrics about how much money they got and Bling Bling shit...It's bullshit. That's not what rap is about...Good HipHop is the shit being produced that's not mainstream...They are Spitting pure Knowledge...I have seen some of K-Wises lyrics that has written, That's HipHop. So pretty much what I am saying is that i agree with you that the HipHop that you are seeing on TV & hearing on the radio is 90% garbage...But that's all that you are hearing, You don't hear the underground shit that has a totally different sound...I mean ya it's rap, But the tracks have a totally different meaning than the shit you are hearing. I have said this before...Like the average HipHop head wants to hear some pussy ass MC rap about how much money he's got..And whatever else that they be clockin. I want to hear Rap that I can relate to...And MC's that rap about Bling Bling and how many bitches they got and how they have a different car for everyday of the week...i can't relate to that, And I bet the majority of thier fans can't relate to that either. So what you are hearing is totally different than the real shit that's being produced in the underground scene. Last edited by IC3; 09-07-2003 at 07:05 PM..

09-07-2003, 07:11 PM	#38 (permalink)
DownwardSpiral The Funeral of Hearts Location: Trapped inside my mind. . .	TV and radio rap being 90% garbage? If it all sounds the same how can 10% of it be not garbage? __________________ "So Keep on Pretending. Our Heavens Worth the Waiting. Keep on Pretending. It's Alright." -- H.I.M., "Pretending"

09-07-2003, 07:16 PM	#39 (permalink)
Glad-I-Ate-Her Junkie Location: 1 mile from Ground Zero	Good point IC3. Rap and hip hop in its truest form can be considered an art form in free expressions, rythm and beats. Not that gangsta rap, bling bling and the ho's I've banged. Glad __________________ I'm "Glad I Ate Her" because the payback was worth it!!

09-07-2003, 07:21 PM	#40 (permalink)
IC3 Poison Location: Canada	HipHop sounding all the same is just your opinion, there is actually groups out there that have done there beats on a drum set and guitars. Me saying that 90% of Mainstream HipHop is garbage is just my Opinion...Just like you have said your opinions...And any true HipHop head on TFP will most likely agree with me that...There is a difference between Underground & mainstream HipHop...I am almost 100% aggreeing with you that The shit that YOU are hearing is garbage...But I do like some of the stuff on the radio, Not much but there is a little bit. I can't really explain it, But you are hearing...I guess...Like 1 side of HipHop...And that is only the stuff on the radio & TV, There is so much more out there than that.