analog

OK, here's the point of this thread- I'm not doing this to hear your reasons why and why not, it's just a simple poll.

In my opinion, the beatles made shitty, shitty music, and are WAY WAY WAY highly overrated as musicians, lyricists, singers, etc.

ALL I WANT TO KNOW from you my wonderful fellow TFP'ers is:

Do you dislike their music to the point you plug your ears when a song of theirs comes on?
Do you love their music?
Do you not care either way, because you don't listen to it anyway.

If you'd like to share your thoughts, I welcome it, but please don't just post things like, "you're stupid, they are a classic" and blah blah blah. Be specific with your opinions, and don't sit back and tell me how many albums they've sold and shit like that. I don't care.

If you hate them and feel their music is terrible to listen to and can't understand why anyone would listen to their bullshit, please post and tell me why!

Great, thanks for the input!!

K-Wise

Listen to "Hey Jude" or "Let It Be" or "You got to hide your love away" etc. I could go on for days none of those songs are even remotely near shitty. It's one thing if you don't like it. It's another calling it plain out shitty music buddy. I'm interested in what you consider to be good music. I guarantee you most of what you consider to be good music were either directly influenced by The Beatles or by a band who was directly influenced by The Beatles some way along the road. They truely were revolutionary artists. And solo they made fabulous music as well. Imagine, Maybe I'm Amazed, etc.

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analog

Actually I rather enjoy Hey Jude, it's nice. And my taste in music has no bearing on whether or not my opinion of the Beatles' music being shitty is valid.

Elvis sucked- his music is cookie-cutter and largely horrible like the Beatles, but I enjoy a lot of "Rock and Roll", which was first INFLUENCED by him A LONG TIME AGO. Again, just because I hate one doesn't mean I can't like the other.

And influence is just that- taking something and using it towards your own means. I'm sure lots of GOOD artists were influenced by the Beatles, but that doesn't mean they didn't put out shitty music.

And don't attack me for my opinions! I respect everyone else's, no matter how 'rediculous' they might sound to me, and only go after the issue itself.

stonecurran

i bloody love there music. just pretend you were back in the 1960's and you had to listen to crappy classical or country and western. then all of a sudden there are these 4 guys with guitar and drums who sing and write there own songs and it sounds nothing like you have herd before. that my friend is why the beatles are great they were the fist big band and will always be the first. by the way you have to have the yard stick of who is the bets and the beatles are that

Mr.Deflok

Can't say I'm into them and I can't see the fuss, though I will admit that they do have some nice songs. In my honest opinion the only man to revolutionise the music industry was David Bowie, oh and the CaveMan who beat a thigh bone on skull thus inventing the drum.

K-Wise

Okay 1. I never "attacked" you. and 2. You missed my point

Some of the bands that are considered to be some of best ever were DIRECTLY influenced by the Beatles. Black Sabbath for example...Ozzy Osbourne openly admitted that he wanted to become a rock star after he discovered the Beatles. He absolutely loved them. So my point is if it was really and truely shitty music back then (at that time if it wasn't good it wasn't anything) none of these people would have ever been influenced by it. Cause lets face it ya don't hear a band you consider to be shitty and get inspired. Unless it inspires you to write about how much it sux but you wouldn't know it sucked if there wasn't music out there that you and others consider to be music that "doesn't suck" gettin me? Point being it's all opinions it will never be fact so basically you made this post to see if other people hate the beatles as much as you do. But a maturer voice would say "Hey they aren't really my cup a tea but I can't say they didn't move people...I can't say they didn't revolutionize music to some extent." You can't contradict yourself by saying they made shitty music (You could say some of their music was shitty but saying "their music" applies to all of it) and then saying you rather enjoyed "Hey Jude" because obviously if you really thought they made shitty music you wouldn't like that song at all. So many of their songs were just like "Hey Jude" so if you like that one you like most of it. Theres no validity in any of this I asked you your taste in music because maybe I consider your taste in music to be shitty, or a Beatle rip-off. Then that would make me you wouldn't it? I mean you throw the word issue out there is no issue here it's all opinion. Opinions are not issues; they never have been and never will be....You can have an "opinion" on an "issue" though. Now ya need to decide what the issue is. I mean you can't know where you are until someone else who was there before you tells you where you are. I mean it doesn't matter how long ago it was and it doesn't mean that you can't like one and hate the other but you can try to see why other people may like them and acknowledge the fact that whether you like it or not a lot of people do. Of course it really is a double standard so I feel where you're going with this I feel the same way about Pop Music like Nsync and all these horrible rap artists that are out so I guess I'd have to say some of them are true fans and some of them are fans just because someone told them it was the cool thing to do. It's the latter that could never be understood. Unless you just understand that they don't really know what they like they just follow the trend so in a way they don't really "like it" at all.

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jimk

the amount of ground the beatles covered from "i wanna hold your hand" to "i am the walrus" in just 7 years was & is unequaled. given, they didn't have a whole lot of competition back then - it was a pretty wide open field. i always thought they were ok - kinda quaint. just since i've started playing music myself have i gained more respect for them.

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rogue49

This is easy to say these days, you are half a century from where they were back then.

It was ground-breaking back then,
and it's incredible that so many still enjoy their music today. (including myself)

Time tested & true

Sleepyjack

Yeah i agree with rogue49, although i am only 19 myself, i can appreciate that they did brake huge ground back then and yet their music is timeless cause it is still getting played a lot today.

Mind you, their were heaps of great rock bands in the mid 60's and early 70's that still get played and are continoulsy listened to today.

laconic1

The thing about the Beatles is they were able to put out so much quality work in such a short time. I bought the 1 album a couple of years ago, and found that of their 27 #1's my two favorite Beatles songs weren't even on there. It's not just selling millions of records, its the influence that they have had on people.

90degree

I would ask .. "how old are you"

present_future

I absolutely love The Beatles. No matter what mood I'm in, i can always find a song by them that totally matches it. They were so ahead of their time it's unbelievable.

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analog

I ALWAYS encourage criticism, honest and open communication, and debate. And now my responses.

Ok, if the Beatles were indeed the REAL, FIRST "rock and roll guys", and pioneered rock as a genre in an otherwise musical wasteland of classical and country, etc., and I don't deny that they were, then it'd be REALLY FUCKING HARD for ANY "rock and roll" guy or group from around that era to NOT cite them as an influence, if not THE influence- and this does nothing to disprove the fact that they are thoroughly mediocre at best. As it's your opinion, I respect you standing your ground- but the theory itself is as thin, loose, and tired as an old whore.

Also, liking a few of their MANY MANY MANY songs (i'm to understand they have made what i'd refer to as a 'shitload' of music) is nothing. There are tons of bands I generally dislike but a song or two sticks out anyway. Are you trying to suggest to me that if i hate a band or group, i cannot like ANY of their songs- that I must hate EVERY note of music they're responsible for? That's a very questionable proposition.

And I would respond, "that fact is irrelevant." If by my saying it's irrelevant, you are able to justify your arrogant supposition of my age having ANYTHING to do with my opinion on why the Beatles were a horrible band, then you would be engaging in stereotyping, which is offensive to me. Please do not shit on my thread and insult the discussion process. Your words are transparent, and your ham-handed attempt to debunk or dismiss my opinions by showing I am "young" are a testament to YOUR holier-than-thou attitude. For the record- I am 22 years old (it's on my profile, if anyone bothers with research) and I appreciate MANY types of music that are of the same era, and many that are much, much older or from places NOT JUST *gasps* in the U.S. or U.K.

Food for thought: If Beethoven's 9th came on the radio and I was sitting near you and said, "I hate that shit", you would easily dismiss me as being young, or not "intellectual" enough to appreciate it, but by assuming and not asking, you're missing out on the fact that, although I dislike Beethoven, I love classical music as a whole, and listen to it all the time. (i don't dislike Beethoven, I love his stuff, i just picked an easy name everyone would know.) That's what happens when you stereotype. Why do people still do this?
NEXT.

K-Wise

Okay I never said they were the first rock & roll band. They obviously weren't they were early through mid 60's you think Rock wasn't around before then? Please....there were other bands around at the same time as them ever hear of The Rolling Stones? Your logic in this argument is half assed at best I know you can come up with something better. They still influence musicians to this very day when there a hundreds, thousands, millions...or rock & roll bands around so there goes that argument. And you obviously didn't read what I said and just dismissed it half way cause I told you a lot of their songs were VERY similar to "Hey Jude" And a lot of todays music sounds a lot like their later releases. You don't like their first releases right? Like the "I wanna hold your hand" and "She loves you" n stuff like that right? I don't care much for it either cause it's a bit poppy and not really my taste but I really love some of their later works. It sounds a lot like some of todays music too. Like Coldplay....Travis, etc. so is it the earlier music you hate, the later, music, or both? Cause I mean if it's just the earlier stuff you could say you hate their first few albums.

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DownwardSpiral

Yo guys can debate on the Beatles all you want, and how much you say they accomplished and such. Personally I can't stand their music. It's not my kind of stuff to listen to. But the guy who started the thread wanted opinions, so there's one more for ya.

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lions20

I dont love the Beatles but I think they have some really good songs. They were a little too poopy for me at times.

bundy

man, i grew up with the Beatles (my parents were big fans) and i absolutely love them.

not always the best music for bad, dark moods... but their influence is phenomenal.

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Esoteric

They're good, but it's not my genre of music.

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Calm down, Analog.

I think your age DOES have some relevance, in that at least it gives others an understanding of what generation you come from.

A person who grew up with Elvis or the Beatles will definately have a different cultural perspective than a person who grew up with Fleetwood Mac or REM.

For myself, I love the Beatles. As it's been said, the Beatles WERE revolutionary at the time. They introduced completely new sounds from the first Rock 'n Roll of the 50's (think Chubby Checker, Buddy Holly, etc.).

What was especially remarkable about the Fab Four was how their music evolved. Early 'perky' (and simple) music, like "Eight Days a Week" evolved into deep searching tunes like "Let It Be" while they explored unknown territory with tunes like "Revolution No. 9". They also constantly experimented with new sounds and instruments, such as the sitar ("Norwegian Wood") as well as traditional music in new ways ("Sgt. Pepper").

So while you may not like them, modern music (probably some you like) owes a lot to The Beatles.

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Flippy

I love the Beatles' music. They not only have great variety, but a lot of their songs have great, inspiring lyrics. Their music is timeless, and has been fairly popular with every generation that's had the chance to experience it. While I say this, however, their music is not something I'd listen to day in and day out, simply because their primary genre is not one of my favourites, although I like it.

Plan9Senior

I definately am not particular to any of their songs, but I do recognize their talent for creating timeless classics and I appreciate what they did for music. I voted choice #2

Cobalt_60

I think age does have a thing to do with it. What was popular when you where growing up with. I grew up with heavy metal and death metal. Of course kids nowadays would say it sucks. I dont listen to the Beatles myself. But I do recognize that they did influence alot of other music out there.

Speed_Gibson

my formative years were in the 1980's, but my favourite style of music and entertainment (and some of the biggest impact on my life) in general is 1920-mid 1950's (basically until the first roots of "rock and roll" emerged).
Not a huge fan of the beatles but I have a copy of the 1 CD from 2000 and it is quite decent overall - still strongly prefer Sinatra, Crosby, Cantor, Glenn Miller, Goodman, etc though.

Zargix

im listening to them right now

Stiltzkin

Beatles? What are these "Beatles"?

Are you talking about this Beatle?


Okay, okay, in all honesty I don't give a hoot about the Beatles, or for most other "classic" bands for that matter. Black Sabbath is okay. Ozzy Osbourne sucked nuts in his time, and still sucks nuts. The Sex Pistols suck. Tons of bands suck. Most "punk" sucks, and I'm talking about "real" punk, not Avril Lavigne/Blink 182 "punk". In fact, most stuff played with an electric guitar somewhere in there sucks. Jazz, blues, and country all rank as "crap" in my list. Rap sucks.

What do I like? I hate to say it, but I like Japanese pop. I like classical music, a lot. Give me Bach, give me Paganini, give me Andres Segovia, give me Listz, give me Mendelsson, Beethoven, Mozart, or any other classic composer, and I shall listen with delight. I like Yngwie Malmsteen's instrumental songs. I like some rock songs. I like anime outro songs. I like very, very, very few jazz/blues songs. In fact, I only like one jazz song. I don't like country at all. I used to like one rap song. Why do people keep producing crappy music? STOP IT!

I didn't "grow up" with any kind of music. My dad never let us buy CD's, and we never found any interest in listening to the radio. TV? TV sucks and bores the hell out of me; to hell with MTV. Only in recent years have I formed opinions about music, what with the advent of Audiogalaxy, Napster, KaZaA, and all that jive. I didn't let music shape me. People who grew up in different eras tend to like the music of that era and will likely forever hold the attitudes present in those times for the rest of their life. My uncle is a CS major, successful, been through a lot in life, but he still seems to live in the 70's, which is the time period in which he grew up in. I grew up in the 90's mostly (yes, I'm a young whippersnapper), born in the 80's but too damn young to care about stuff in the 80's, and as such you'd think that I'd be into the crap from the 90's. Well, I'm not. Umm... why the hell am I still ranting? I'll shut up now.

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analog

I've already stated I recognize their influence, that's not the thing- I started this as a thread to get a general idea of where the average TFP'er stood on them, because _I_ happen to dislike their music. Every time I voice my opinion on this, I have people get all kinds of upset with me- "how can you hate the beatles??", "what kind of music do YOU like?" and my favorite, "you're young". This is all bullshit. People get so uptight and almost OFFENDED if I say I don't like them and I think their music sucks.

Perhaps I shouldn't take some people's comments as personal attacks, but you know what? If I feel like it's a personal attack, can it really be ALL in MY head? I'm not trying to cause problems, just curious about people's preferences.

K-Wise

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DownwardSpiral

I have gottem that same response too, analog. I personally think the Beatles are way too overrated and given too much credit for influence and such. I've told people this and the response is always the same, 'How can you hate the Beatles?' so I know what you mean analog.

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Ewwww.

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348Dav

Picture yourself in a boat on a river, with tangerine trees and marmelade skies.

My favorite lyric ever, probably in my top 5 fave songs.

I don't like their "pop" songs as much but from Revolver onward they had some pretty trippy songs.

JohnnyRock

Used to hate the Beatles, now I don't bother. Actually, I really like most remakes of their songs be it Aerosmith, Motley Crue, Guns n Roses, etc. so on some level I must appreciate the Beatles' songwriting ability just not their style or arangements...but I still think they are overrated as aband. They just happened to come along when there was a real void in rock music and they were marketed perfectly.

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fuzzix

I do think that they're overrated, I don't dislike them, but I don't listen to them either.

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archer2371

I have no problem with them, it's just that I don't listen to 'em that much, not my type of music.

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World's King

They did a lot for music.

That's about as far as I go with these guys.

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daydream

The Beatles made great music and their legend will be around for years to come!! I didn't grow up listening to them...too young for that but I have their #1 hits album and its a great cd to listen to when you want to be in a happy mood. I think they deserve all the credit that they recieve for the songs they created and the musical impact they had on the world

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