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Old 07-06-2005, 08:03 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Antifreeze Question

This is not really about cars, but has to do with antifreeze. I bought a new deck umbrella and it has 4 plastic containers for weights. The idea is to fill them with either water or sand. I tried the sand but it was going to take forever to fill them so water is the only other choice. I don't want these to freeze up in the winter months so I was going to put some antifreeze in with the water. Here's my ?, does antifreeze and water seperate if it isn't mixed around (as in an engine)?

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Old 07-06-2005, 08:36 AM   #2 (permalink)
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It won't separate. Not ethelene glycol and water anyway. (the most common) If it were just a mixture then the water molecules would still freeze.
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Old 07-06-2005, 03:19 PM   #3 (permalink)
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BUT you have to be real careful that nothing can get at the solution once it's in there - - some of those umbrella stands have open holes in them. Antifreeze is a poison and will kill any animal that drinks the water.
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Old 07-07-2005, 04:47 AM   #4 (permalink)
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The containers have caps w/ washers. Thx.
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Old 07-07-2005, 07:53 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Shakran's right about the toxicity. I used to be much more casual, flushing the stuff into the street, and stormdrains (egad). Now it goes to our toxic disposal site - twice a damn year - thank you very much Allied Waste. Instead of the toxic hassle I'd probably squeeze the containers to get the 15% expansion space should they freeze. If they're rigid, just leave them under-filled.
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Old 07-08-2005, 12:10 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I bet you don't need to use anitfreeze and the plastic base will expand enough to not break when the water freezes.

The fill hole in your base must be a lot smaller than I dealt with if you can't fill it with sand. The movable basketball setup I have in my driveway came with a hollow plastic base and I filled it with dry sand by making a little funnel to fit the hole and a large opening on the funnel top so I can pour it in. It filled in a lot less than 1/2hr ...never have to do it again so even longer is not objectionable to me. After it filled with dry sand, I used the garden hose to fill it with water to make it even heavier. I didn't use any antifreeze and after two winters in S.E. PA area, no damage or noticeable distortion from freezing.
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Old 07-10-2005, 09:12 PM   #7 (permalink)
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If you don't want it to freeze, just leave 1/5 of the space empty and pop the cap so it can vent if it's going to freeze overnight. Ethylene glycol is toxic, not safe for use on some plastics, and a pain in the ass to get rid of. Imagine trying to pour it out into containers for disposal if you ever get rid of teh set or move it.
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Old 07-11-2005, 08:52 AM   #8 (permalink)
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What about using windshield washer fluid, .99 cents a gallon, and doesn't have that sweet taste that animals love.
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Old 07-14-2005, 08:38 PM   #9 (permalink)
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In the amount of time you spent reading all of our suggestions, you could be done with the sand. Just use the sand, you will only need to do it once.
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