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510cut · 10-11-2004, 01:33 AM

Hey I'm looking at a few cars was wondering if any of you guys could share your experiances with them?

Mitsu Evo- great car... interior sucks though :/ sooo ugly.

Infiniti g35- nice combination of things, but is it really worth 33k?

Subaru Legacy- hmm so much potential

Acura TL- hmm such a nice interior.

Lockjaw · 10-11-2004, 04:37 AM

The Evo is the fastest and handles like crazy but I'm not a fan of the styling so I'm out on that one.

G35...a nice car. Decently fast handles well and looks good. It's a more classy vehicle and is it worth it depends on what you are looking for. Are you just looking for speed and can make due with a little less on the interior and "class" factor. If so get the 350Z instead. Still a nice interior and faster but won't cost as much. If you want the class...get the G35.

Subaru Legacy...Not worth the time to bash it.

Acuara TL Looks but no speed get the G35 over this.

DEI37 · 10-11-2004, 04:43 AM

I would take the G35 Sedan over any of those anyday. It's a sharp looking car with a good interior and a fabulous drivetrain.

1slOwCD8 · 10-11-2004, 09:32 AM

id definatly go with the EvoVIII or G35. or the STI. all sick cars. id go with the Evo, lots of aftermarket parts for more hp.

ncgti · 10-11-2004, 10:04 AM

If you are going to keep the car for a long while, you may not want the Evo. Mitsui is having a lot of problems right now and may not stay in business - at least in the US

Tech · 10-11-2004, 01:32 PM

i'd say the Evo or the G35, probably the G35 because my friend has an Evo and he has been having mechanical trouble, which wouldn't be so bad except he is having a VERY hard time finding qualified mechanics to fix things, plus having to wait for exclusive evo parts to be shipped from japan...

and yes i think the G35 is worth 35K

510cut · 10-11-2004, 04:34 PM

haha thanks for the opinions

Yea I dunno what I'm looking for in a car.. I'm over my I want to be faster then everyone stage. I just want to sit in luxury :P Yea Evo's are pretty easy to mod for pretty cheap. The thing about the Legacy... its turbo.. and has a decent interior. test car for Vishnu plz :P

Halx · 10-11-2004, 04:47 PM

Being the proud owner of a TL and having looked at all of those other cars while hunting, I gotta tell ya to go for the Acura. It's classier, less saturated, better built and just plain sexy.

The TL DOES have a lot of speed, don't listen to Lockjaw. It's not a racing car, obviously, but I have tons of fun on both corners and straightaways.

The features are unmatched, you cannot come close to the same amount of features with a comparably priced car. If you like a perfect balance of luxury and sport, then the TL is your choice.

If you like a tiny bit more power with a large drop off in luxury, go with the G35.

If you want even more power with a severe drop off in luxury, go with the evo.

The legacy is a drop off in both categories.

shakran · 10-11-2004, 05:00 PM

What Halx said. I am NOT the proud owner of a TL, but I sure as hell wish I was

I've driven all 4 of these cars and the TL has the best blend of performance vs luxury. Sure the G35 is faster, but not by much at all, and I don't think the extra speed makes up for the drop in refinement. The EVO should only be bought by people who want to pretend to be rally racers - not people who care about things like a nice ride, comfortable interior, etc. It's a GREAT car from a pure performance standpoint, but when you have that much performance with considerably-below-ferrari pricing, you sacrifice comfort. Possibly reliability too, although the car's just too new for anyone to know at this point.

The Legacy sucks. One of my station's competitors runs them as their news vehicles, and I hear nothing but bitching from their photographers about how bad the ride is, how crappy the power is, how crappy the interior, etc. I've looked 'em over (both the news and the regular versions) and have been totally unimpressed.

powerclown · 10-11-2004, 05:25 PM

Among the cars you listed, I'd pick the Acura hands down. The G35 would be its only competition in this group, but the interior fit & finish in the Acura is 10x better, and I also prefer its exterior styling. Like shakran said, it defines the term 'refinement'.

germanguy · 10-11-2004, 11:55 PM

Well, it depends on what you're looking for.

For that price range I'd go for an Rx-8 or IS300, but off the list I'd choose the G35. Great looks in my opinion, good power and handling, decent interior.

Glorp · 10-12-2004, 01:33 PM

I'm gonna have to weigh in and ask why you're not considering a Mercedes? They're phenomenal cars, will last forever, have superb handling, and, at 35K, you can pick up a late model, low mileage E class and still have a few grand left over. I'm not knocking the other cars either, though. But, to not be a prick here, and answer your question...
IMHO

The Infiniti is a great car now, but won't have jack for resale value. The Acura is a fine quality automobile, very dependable, and a little bit sporty, but kind of luxurious at the same time. Its George Clooney. The rest, I wouldn't bother with.

Lockjaw · 10-12-2004, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Halx

Being the proud owner of a TL and having looked at all of those other cars while hunting, I gotta tell ya to go for the Acura. It's classier, less saturated, better built and just plain sexy.

The TL DOES have a lot of speed, don't listen to Lockjaw. It's not a racing car, obviously, but I have tons of fun on both corners and straightaways.

The features are unmatched, you cannot come close to the same amount of features with a comparably priced car. If you like a perfect balance of luxury and sport, then the TL is your choice.

If you like a tiny bit more power with a large drop off in luxury, go with the G35.

If you want even more power with a severe drop off in luxury, go with the evo.

The legacy is a drop off in both categories.

Ummm since when is 0-60 times in the 6 second range and quarter mile speed in the mid to low 15s lots of speed?
The TL is nearly a second slower than the G35 coupe and it doesn't handle as well.

Anyway...have you considered the IS300 at all?

Halx · 10-13-2004, 12:45 AM

Pleeeeeeaaaaaaase do not go for Mercedes. I beg of you. I do not want to see any more disgruntled car owners than there already are.

So, Lockjaw, I'm really concerned about your concept of speed. Does one need to express their vehicle's maximum performance at every single stoplight? Really, that's the only way you're gonna be able to tell the difference between the TL and the G35 engines. As well, in that case, I would fear greatly for your well-being. BTW, the 6-spd TL gets 5.7 sec on 0-60.

All I know is I can seamlessly merge onto the 80mph freeway, even if there is a grandma going 20 in front of me down the onramp. That's all you need speed for. And if you need it for anything else, why even aim for this sector of the market? Why not get an S2000 and put a supercharger in it. 350hp, rwd, and a light, snazzy convertible. That's speed when you NEED it.

I can't stand how debates between these two cars always comes down to speed and handling as if these entry-level luxury cars are gonna be used for fucking autocross. I can think of better ways to waste my warranty, thanks. Can we focus on how the Acura shifts smoother, has better fuel efficiency and lower emissions? Can we also note that the Honda/Acura navigation system is second to none, and it's integrated with the rest of the car, with voice activation for everything. I've played with the Nissan/Infiniti navi system in my dad's new car... it's junior league with NO integration.

So sure, if you're going to ever use that 1 extra second in the quarter mile, go with the G35. You'll be driving the same car as 10 of your neighbors, but at least you'll be able to beat all the Acura TL's by a nose. That's worth the complete drop-off in luxury features and feel, right?

shakran · 10-13-2004, 04:49 AM

No kidding. We're talking about a car to be driven on the street, not the dragstrip. Hell if you want a FAST car go with an old muscle car. If you're just looking for a comfortable car that's reasonably quick go with the TL.

And since when was 0-60 in six seconds NOT considered fast for a car that's not targeted at boy racers who think the 1/4 mile time of their car is inversely proportional to their penis size?

sushiboy · 10-13-2004, 05:41 AM

That is an interesting list of cars...

I would definately go with the infiniti or the acura. I think the G35 is a damn sexy car, but Acura handles just as well. I bought a G35 over a year ago, and I love it. The only thing i don't like about the TL is the tail pipes, I hate that you can see the actual tailpipe inside the exhaust tip (splitting hairs, I know).

Lockjaw · 10-13-2004, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Halx

Pleeeeeeaaaaaaase do not go for Mercedes. I beg of you. I do not want to see any more disgruntled car owners than there already are.

So, Lockjaw, I'm really concerned about your concept of speed. Does one need to express their vehicle's maximum performance at every single stoplight? Really, that's the only way you're gonna be able to tell the difference between the TL and the G35 engines. As well, in that case, I would fear greatly for your well-being. BTW, the 6-spd TL gets 5.7 sec on 0-60.

Why not? Companies are making the cars faster and faster for a reason.
If you don't want the speed fine but that doesn't mean the TL has "lots of speed". It's adequate.

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All I know is I can seamlessly merge onto the 80mph freeway, even if there is a grandma going 20 in front of me down the onramp. That's all you need speed for. And if you need it for anything else, why even aim for this sector of the market? Why not get an S2000 and put a supercharger in it. 350hp, rwd, and a light, snazzy convertible. That's speed when you NEED it.

Because I'm assuming if he is pricing the Evo as one of his choices his preference might be for speed. Now if he had said say which is better Saab 9-3, Jaguar X type instead of EVo and Legacy and then making statements about the Legacy's potential then I would be predisposed to believe he'd want style over performance.

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I can't stand how debates between these two cars always comes down to speed and handling as if these entry-level luxury cars are gonna be used for fucking autocross.

Have you considered not everybody wants an under performing car even if it's a little bit nicer?

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I can think of better ways to waste my warranty, thanks. Can we focus on how the Acura shifts smoother, has better fuel efficiency and lower emissions? Can we also note that the Honda/Acura navigation system is second to none, and it's integrated with the rest of the car, with voice activation for everything. I've played with the Nissan/Infiniti navi system in my dad's new car... it's junior league with NO integration.

Again you might want bells and whistles others might not. Personally I don't and if I had the choice I'd take the G35 in a heart beat over the TL. Fuel effciency...eh I really don't care. I'm willing to sacrifice those things for a faster better handling car that also has 98% of the creature comfort I'd ever want. I don't need electricly heated seats with messaging lumbar support and automated exfoliating facial scrub applicator. And I'm suspecting if he's considering those other cars he would likely not want or need all that other stuff either. It's all about your priorities. Ours obviously aren't the same that's not a bad thing but if I'm dropping mid 30s for a car I want it to be as fast or faster than a hopped up econo box.

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So sure, if you're going to ever use that 1 extra second in the quarter mile, go with the G35. You'll be driving the same car as 10 of your neighbors, but at least you'll be able to beat all the Acura TL's by a nose. That's worth the complete drop-off in luxury features and feel, right?

A second in a quarter mile is not beating something by a nose lol. Try several car lengths. And around my parts the TL isn't exactly all that "rare" either so that wouldn't matter. If I wanted "rare" I'd try to save up for a Viper.
But yes if I want to be faster than most cars on the roads including the guys in their Acuras that THINK they are fast and can stop and go on a dime,turn very well, have an overall (IMO) more appealing body lines, and then be able to sit in a cockpit that fits all of my personal needs and IMO doesn't have a monsterous drop off in quality(since we are minimizing the differences after all like a second slower would be just a nose behind) or appearance...as a guy who likes speed then yes...yes the G35 to me is the better car.

sushiboy · 10-13-2004, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Halx

I can't stand how debates between these two cars always comes down to speed and handling as if these entry-level luxury cars are gonna be used for fucking autocross.

hahaha so true! If you want a racecar, don't buy a luxury sedan!

Lockjaw · 10-13-2004, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by shakran

No kidding. We're talking about a car to be driven on the street, not the dragstrip. Hell if you want a FAST car go with an old muscle car. If you're just looking for a comfortable car that's reasonably quick go with the TL.

What goes fast on the strip can still go fast on the street and I want the faster of the two if the choices are the G35 and TL. If you want the more cushy of the two that's fine.

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And since when was 0-60 in six seconds NOT considered fast for a car that's not targeted at boy racers who think the 1/4 mile time of their car is inversely proportional to their penis size?

Since about 2-3 years ago. In fact when you have veritable land barges like the 300C putting out performance numbers that as far as acceleration is concerned absolutely embarrass the TL IMO it's starting to get a bit slow.
You have trucks that are just a shake behind that acceleration time and little shoe box cars that are right at that speed as well. If it's supposed to be a sporty car then it needs to perform like one.

MSD · 10-13-2004, 07:52 AM

If you want power, go for the G35. If you want luxury and don't mind FWD (I do,) go for the TL.

wrongfullyaccuzd · 10-13-2004, 07:56 AM

I have to wonder why you're looking at this class of cars, and this price range, and you're considering the Legacy but not an STi?
Throw an STi into the debate and see what people start to pick.

Lockjaw · 10-13-2004, 12:17 PM

I don't think the opinions would change much. EVO for all intensive purposes=STi(although I think the EVO looks a little better) as both are rally inspired really fast 4 door economy cars that cost around 30k that perform right at the same level of one another.

shakran · 10-13-2004, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Lockjaw

What goes fast on the strip can still go fast on the street and I want the faster of the two if the choices are the G35 and TL. If you want the more cushy of the two that's fine.

Since about 2-3 years ago. In fact when you have veritable land barges like the 300C putting out performance numbers that as far as acceleration is concerned absolutely embarrass the TL IMO it's starting to get a bit slow.
You have trucks that are just a shake behind that acceleration time and little shoe box cars that are right at that speed as well. If it's supposed to be a sporty car then it needs to perform like one.

OK, so the 300C is faster than the TL. It's also got a much bigger engine and uses more fuel. They're aimed at different market segments. Neither one of them are aimed at the "look at me my car's faster than your civic! word d00d!" crowd.

krwlz · 10-13-2004, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Lockjaw

The Evo is the fastest and handles like crazy but I'm not a fan of the styling so I'm out on that one.

G35...a nice car. Decently fast handles well and looks good. It's a more classy vehicle and is it worth it depends on what you are looking for. Are you just looking for speed and can make due with a little less on the interior and "class" factor. If so get the 350Z instead. Still a nice interior and faster but won't cost as much. If you want the class...get the G35.

Subaru Legacy...Not worth the time to bash it.

Acuara TL Looks but no speed get the G35 over this.

How is the 350 z faster? Its only marginally less expensive, and they run the same engine...

shakran · 10-13-2004, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by krwlz

How is the 350 z faster? Its only marginally less expensive, and they run the same engine...

Weight. All the luxo features on the G35 weigh it down.

Lockjaw · 10-13-2004, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by shakran

OK, so the 300C is faster than the TL. It's also got a much bigger engine and uses more fuel. They're aimed at different market segments. Neither one of them are aimed at the "look at me my car's faster than your civic! word d00d!" crowd.

It's a bigger engine but the car also weighs in at well over 4000 lbs and the gas mileage ratings from the 300C and the Acura TL aren't that far from one another.
The Acura gets 20 city and 29 highway
300C gets 17 city and 25 highway
My point is if the TL is supposed to be a luxury "sports" sedan it should be a little bit more "sporty" and when it's getting dusted off by cars much larger and as you admit bear no pretense to being sporty it sort of fails in being "sporty". See where I'm going here?

Lockjaw · 10-13-2004, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by krwlz

How is the 350 z faster? Its only marginally less expensive, and they run the same engine...

Shkaran has it pegged. All the little bells and whistles add up in weight rather quickly.

mdryfhout · 10-17-2004, 05:32 AM

Tuu have picked for totaslly different performance orietated cars a rwd fwd and two 4wds the legacy and the ifiniti are heavy cars , if you go for the legacy get the new single scroll turbo model and not the laggy twin turbos , The acura have great na power but have understeer at highspeeds and the lancer in a class of its own as well 4wd not much underdteer40/60 split i think crap interior cause your in a top end jap banger not a mercedes !!!

pocon1 · 10-17-2004, 10:08 AM

The legacy with the turbo will outperform the others except the evo, which it will beat on reliability. The Acura is nice, but it's interior is no nicer than the G35 (Halx). The Evo is unreliable, but really really fast. If you throw price into the mix, the legacy kills them all. Good performance, 4WD, good reliability, 4WD, looks and interior aren't bad, and 4WD. You're looking at thousands less for the legacy. On the other hand I would not kick any of those cars out of my garage. But for that price or less, I could get a 350z, an rx8, a Dodge Magnum, a 300c, or many other cars.
BTW, I just got back from an autocross today, did one last weekend, and I have another next week.

510cut · 10-23-2004, 07:03 PM

wow didnt expect this to still be on the first page.

I'm not considering the STi because... well its just personal preference :P if I were to get a STI I might as well just get the evo. A few of my friends have evos and there hasnt been anything wrong with them so far.

I have the Evo in there because I still enjoy driving fast but I'm way over the ricerboy stage. Which is why I want something classier. I thought the Legacy would be a good compromise with cheap tunability and decent interior.

but the tl is sooo nice to just sit in lol... the integrated systems sounds nice too. do you just like tell it street names?

nomorensx · 10-25-2004, 11:23 AM

G35 is what I would choose from this list. Best looking and well worht the money.

Booboo · 10-25-2004, 11:53 AM

I would go for an R32.. but I'm a VW freak. Among the cars you mentioned I personally think the G35 looks like nicest (and thats important to me) but the TL is a very nice car as well. Dont know much about the legacy.. but from my experiences with subaru they make nice cars. We have a Forester that is pretty fun to drive. Cars that pickup fast give a little more impression of speed wether its there or not(unless your streetracing thats whats important.. fun factor). Though as far as Subaru's go I would of gone with the STi too. So it pretty much depends on your personal preferences. I wouldn't say any of them are bad cars.

JusticeForPhat · 10-25-2004, 12:28 PM

Out of that list I'd go with the G35 or the legacy. The G35 has 53/47 weight distribution which beats the TL's 60/40. In my experience once a vehicle goes past 55% weight on the front wheels you get understeer mania unless you do a lot of tweeking to the suspension. The G35 weighs in at 3435 pounds and the TL at 3482, so its a c-hair lighter.

The impotrant thing is that the engine in the G35, the VQ35DE if I remember correctly, has a good aftermarket following, and If your so inclined takes well to boost. So you get a great interior, an exterior that is wonderful looking, RWD and the ability to make a lot of power.

The reason why I even mention the Legacy is beacuse at heart I love subaru's and I think it deserves a chance.

My references:
http://autos.yahoo.com/newcars/acura...ecs.html?p=ext

http://autos.yahoo.com/newcars/infin...ecs.html?p=ext

hooray for google.

510cut · 10-25-2004, 01:44 PM

yah I think the g35 takes well to fi mods. From my limited reading of the g boards. but I dunno if I get a G I wouldnt bother modding it much not worth it imo. Getting the wrong car for that :P ahhh i'm so torn lol.

10-11-2004, 01:33 AM	#1 (permalink)
510cut Upright	Need some opinions on a few cars Hey I'm looking at a few cars was wondering if any of you guys could share your experiances with them? Mitsu Evo- great car... interior sucks though :/ sooo ugly. Infiniti g35- nice combination of things, but is it really worth 33k? Subaru Legacy- hmm so much potential Acura TL- hmm such a nice interior.

10-11-2004, 04:43 AM	#3 (permalink)
DEI37 Go faster! Location: Wisconsin	I would take the G35 Sedan over any of those anyday. It's a sharp looking car with a good interior and a fabulous drivetrain. __________________ Generally speaking, if you were to get what you really deserve, you might be unpleasantly surprised.

10-11-2004, 01:32 PM	#6 (permalink)
Tech Addict Location: Baltimore MD	i'd say the Evo or the G35, probably the G35 because my friend has an Evo and he has been having mechanical trouble, which wouldn't be so bad except he is having a VERY hard time finding qualified mechanics to fix things, plus having to wait for exclusive evo parts to be shipped from japan... and yes i think the G35 is worth 35K __________________ -Tim- ~I swear sometimes i feel like i'm married to a child. ~You better watch who you're calling a child, Lois, cause if i'm a child than you know what that makes you? a pedophile. and i'll be damned if i'm going to stand here and be lectured by a pervert.

10-11-2004, 04:47 PM	#8 (permalink)
Halx Please touch this. Owner/Admin Location: Manhattan	Being the proud owner of a TL and having looked at all of those other cars while hunting, I gotta tell ya to go for the Acura. It's classier, less saturated, better built and just plain sexy. The TL DOES have a lot of speed, don't listen to Lockjaw. It's not a racing car, obviously, but I have tons of fun on both corners and straightaways. The features are unmatched, you cannot come close to the same amount of features with a comparably priced car. If you like a perfect balance of luxury and sport, then the TL is your choice. If you like a tiny bit more power with a large drop off in luxury, go with the G35. If you want even more power with a severe drop off in luxury, go with the evo. The legacy is a drop off in both categories. __________________ You have found this post informative. -The Administrator [Don't Feed The Animals]

10-13-2004, 12:45 AM	#14 (permalink)
Halx Please touch this. Owner/Admin Location: Manhattan	Pleeeeeeaaaaaaase do not go for Mercedes. I beg of you. I do not want to see any more disgruntled car owners than there already are. So, Lockjaw, I'm really concerned about your concept of speed. Does one need to express their vehicle's maximum performance at every single stoplight? Really, that's the only way you're gonna be able to tell the difference between the TL and the G35 engines. As well, in that case, I would fear greatly for your well-being. BTW, the 6-spd TL gets 5.7 sec on 0-60. All I know is I can seamlessly merge onto the 80mph freeway, even if there is a grandma going 20 in front of me down the onramp. That's all you need speed for. And if you need it for anything else, why even aim for this sector of the market? Why not get an S2000 and put a supercharger in it. 350hp, rwd, and a light, snazzy convertible. That's speed when you NEED it. I can't stand how debates between these two cars always comes down to speed and handling as if these entry-level luxury cars are gonna be used for fucking autocross. I can think of better ways to waste my warranty, thanks. Can we focus on how the Acura shifts smoother, has better fuel efficiency and lower emissions? Can we also note that the Honda/Acura navigation system is second to none, and it's integrated with the rest of the car, with voice activation for everything. I've played with the Nissan/Infiniti navi system in my dad's new car... it's junior league with NO integration. So sure, if you're going to ever use that 1 extra second in the quarter mile, go with the G35. You'll be driving the same car as 10 of your neighbors, but at least you'll be able to beat all the Acura TL's by a nose. That's worth the complete drop-off in luxury features and feel, right? __________________ You have found this post informative. -The Administrator [Don't Feed The Animals]

10-11-2004, 04:37 AM	#2 (permalink)
Lockjaw Junkie	The Evo is the fastest and handles like crazy but I'm not a fan of the styling so I'm out on that one. G35...a nice car. Decently fast handles well and looks good. It's a more classy vehicle and is it worth it depends on what you are looking for. Are you just looking for speed and can make due with a little less on the interior and "class" factor. If so get the 350Z instead. Still a nice interior and faster but won't cost as much. If you want the class...get the G35. Subaru Legacy...Not worth the time to bash it. Acuara TL Looks but no speed get the G35 over this.

10-11-2004, 09:32 AM	#4 (permalink)
1slOwCD8 Psycho Location: chicago, illinois	id definatly go with the EvoVIII or G35. or the STI. all sick cars. id go with the Evo, lots of aftermarket parts for more hp.

10-11-2004, 10:04 AM	#5 (permalink)
ncgti Tilted Location: the great north state	If you are going to keep the car for a long while, you may not want the Evo. Mitsui is having a lot of problems right now and may not stay in business - at least in the US

10-11-2004, 04:34 PM	#7 (permalink)
510cut Upright	haha thanks for the opinions Yea I dunno what I'm looking for in a car.. I'm over my I want to be faster then everyone stage. I just want to sit in luxury :P Yea Evo's are pretty easy to mod for pretty cheap. The thing about the Legacy... its turbo.. and has a decent interior. test car for Vishnu plz :P

10-11-2004, 05:00 PM	#9 (permalink)
shakran Tone.	What Halx said. I am NOT the proud owner of a TL, but I sure as hell wish I was I've driven all 4 of these cars and the TL has the best blend of performance vs luxury. Sure the G35 is faster, but not by much at all, and I don't think the extra speed makes up for the drop in refinement. The EVO should only be bought by people who want to pretend to be rally racers - not people who care about things like a nice ride, comfortable interior, etc. It's a GREAT car from a pure performance standpoint, but when you have that much performance with considerably-below-ferrari pricing, you sacrifice comfort. Possibly reliability too, although the car's just too new for anyone to know at this point. The Legacy sucks. One of my station's competitors runs them as their news vehicles, and I hear nothing but bitching from their photographers about how bad the ride is, how crappy the power is, how crappy the interior, etc. I've looked 'em over (both the news and the regular versions) and have been totally unimpressed.

10-11-2004, 05:25 PM	#10 (permalink)
powerclown Junkie Location: Detroit, MI	Among the cars you listed, I'd pick the Acura hands down. The G35 would be its only competition in this group, but the interior fit & finish in the Acura is 10x better, and I also prefer its exterior styling. Like shakran said, it defines the term 'refinement'.

10-11-2004, 11:55 PM	#11 (permalink)
germanguy Upright	Well, it depends on what you're looking for. For that price range I'd go for an Rx-8 or IS300, but off the list I'd choose the G35. Great looks in my opinion, good power and handling, decent interior.

10-12-2004, 01:33 PM	#12 (permalink)
Glorp Upright	I'm gonna have to weigh in and ask why you're not considering a Mercedes? They're phenomenal cars, will last forever, have superb handling, and, at 35K, you can pick up a late model, low mileage E class and still have a few grand left over. I'm not knocking the other cars either, though. But, to not be a prick here, and answer your question... IMHO The Infiniti is a great car now, but won't have jack for resale value. The Acura is a fine quality automobile, very dependable, and a little bit sporty, but kind of luxurious at the same time. Its George Clooney. The rest, I wouldn't bother with.

10-13-2004, 04:49 AM	#15 (permalink)
shakran Tone.	No kidding. We're talking about a car to be driven on the street, not the dragstrip. Hell if you want a FAST car go with an old muscle car. If you're just looking for a comfortable car that's reasonably quick go with the TL. And since when was 0-60 in six seconds NOT considered fast for a car that's not targeted at boy racers who think the 1/4 mile time of their car is inversely proportional to their penis size?

10-13-2004, 05:41 AM	#16 (permalink)
sushiboy Tilted Location: In Obama's neighborhood	That is an interesting list of cars... I would definately go with the infiniti or the acura. I think the G35 is a damn sexy car, but Acura handles just as well. I bought a G35 over a year ago, and I love it. The only thing i don't like about the TL is the tail pipes, I hate that you can see the actual tailpipe inside the exhaust tip (splitting hairs, I know). __________________ -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version 3.12 GO d++ s--:+ a- C+ U--- P-- L- E-- W++ N- o-- K- w O- M+ PS PE++ PGP- t- 5-- X R- tv+ b- DI+ D+ G e* h---- r+++ y+ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------

10-13-2004, 07:52 AM	#20 (permalink)
MSD The sky calls to us ... Super Moderator Location: CT	If you want power, go for the G35. If you want luxury and don't mind FWD (I do,) go for the TL.

10-13-2004, 07:56 AM	#21 (permalink)
wrongfullyaccuzd Addict Location: NoVA	I have to wonder why you're looking at this class of cars, and this price range, and you're considering the Legacy but not an STi? Throw an STi into the debate and see what people start to pick.

10-13-2004, 12:17 PM	#22 (permalink)
Lockjaw Junkie	I don't think the opinions would change much. EVO for all intensive purposes=STi(although I think the EVO looks a little better) as both are rally inspired really fast 4 door economy cars that cost around 30k that perform right at the same level of one another.

10-17-2004, 05:32 AM	#28 (permalink)
mdryfhout Upright Location: New Zealand	Tuu have picked for totaslly different performance orietated cars a rwd fwd and two 4wds the legacy and the ifiniti are heavy cars , if you go for the legacy get the new single scroll turbo model and not the laggy twin turbos , The acura have great na power but have understeer at highspeeds and the lancer in a class of its own as well 4wd not much underdteer40/60 split i think crap interior cause your in a top end jap banger not a mercedes !!!

10-17-2004, 10:08 AM	#29 (permalink)
pocon1 Banned	The legacy with the turbo will outperform the others except the evo, which it will beat on reliability. The Acura is nice, but it's interior is no nicer than the G35 (Halx). The Evo is unreliable, but really really fast. If you throw price into the mix, the legacy kills them all. Good performance, 4WD, good reliability, 4WD, looks and interior aren't bad, and 4WD. You're looking at thousands less for the legacy. On the other hand I would not kick any of those cars out of my garage. But for that price or less, I could get a 350z, an rx8, a Dodge Magnum, a 300c, or many other cars. BTW, I just got back from an autocross today, did one last weekend, and I have another next week.

10-23-2004, 07:03 PM	#30 (permalink)
510cut Upright	wow didnt expect this to still be on the first page. I'm not considering the STi because... well its just personal preference :P if I were to get a STI I might as well just get the evo. A few of my friends have evos and there hasnt been anything wrong with them so far. I have the Evo in there because I still enjoy driving fast but I'm way over the ricerboy stage. Which is why I want something classier. I thought the Legacy would be a good compromise with cheap tunability and decent interior. but the tl is sooo nice to just sit in lol... the integrated systems sounds nice too. do you just like tell it street names?

10-25-2004, 11:23 AM	#31 (permalink)
nomorensx Upright	G35 is what I would choose from this list. Best looking and well worht the money.

10-25-2004, 11:53 AM	#32 (permalink)
Booboo Insane	I would go for an R32.. but I'm a VW freak. Among the cars you mentioned I personally think the G35 looks like nicest (and thats important to me) but the TL is a very nice car as well. Dont know much about the legacy.. but from my experiences with subaru they make nice cars. We have a Forester that is pretty fun to drive. Cars that pickup fast give a little more impression of speed wether its there or not(unless your streetracing thats whats important.. fun factor). Though as far as Subaru's go I would of gone with the STi too. So it pretty much depends on your personal preferences. I wouldn't say any of them are bad cars. __________________ "Your life is yours to live, go out and live it" - Richard Rahl

10-25-2004, 12:28 PM	#33 (permalink)
JusticeForPhat Crazy Location: Philly	Out of that list I'd go with the G35 or the legacy. The G35 has 53/47 weight distribution which beats the TL's 60/40. In my experience once a vehicle goes past 55% weight on the front wheels you get understeer mania unless you do a lot of tweeking to the suspension. The G35 weighs in at 3435 pounds and the TL at 3482, so its a c-hair lighter. The impotrant thing is that the engine in the G35, the VQ35DE if I remember correctly, has a good aftermarket following, and If your so inclined takes well to boost. So you get a great interior, an exterior that is wonderful looking, RWD and the ability to make a lot of power. The reason why I even mention the Legacy is beacuse at heart I love subaru's and I think it deserves a chance. My references: http://autos.yahoo.com/newcars/acura...ecs.html?p=ext http://autos.yahoo.com/newcars/infin...ecs.html?p=ext hooray for google.

10-25-2004, 01:44 PM	#34 (permalink)
510cut Upright	yah I think the g35 takes well to fi mods. From my limited reading of the g boards. but I dunno if I get a G I wouldnt bother modding it much not worth it imo. Getting the wrong car for that :P ahhh i'm so torn lol.