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leftturn109 · 05-20-2004, 04:04 AM

now here is a respectable RICER.

http://home.comcast.net/~cmos20/miata/

http://home.comcast.net/~cmos20/miat...iata_side2.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~cmos20/miat...inalmotor2.JPG

silent_jay · 05-20-2004, 05:50 AM

So how is this car a "ricer"? or has the definition changed again? Don't get me wrong it is a nice car

merkerguitars · 05-20-2004, 08:54 AM

Me and my roomate are building a ford 351W engine for a miata

Scorps · 05-20-2004, 09:33 AM

now that isn't a womans car anymore

Peryn · 05-20-2004, 09:41 AM

While the v8 Monster Miata idea does make for a really nice, powerful car, i think it would be better suited with either a turbo miata engine, or a turbo rotary. It stays true to the Mazda nameplate, but also makes great power while keeping it light and not throwing off the weight distribution.

bad30th · 05-20-2004, 10:46 AM

Yeah I'm with Peryn.....the blown V8 is cool and all, but a turbo rotary setup would be FAR cooler.....it'd still be fast as shit and it wouldnt destroy the car's handling.

MSD · 05-20-2004, 10:57 AM

So, how is this rice? It's all functional, with the exception of the racing stripe.

merkerguitars · 05-20-2004, 11:11 AM

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Originally posted by Peryn
It stays true to the Mazda nameplate,

Hehehe ford and mazda are almost one in the same now.

Peryn · 05-20-2004, 01:13 PM

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Originally posted by merkerguitars
Hehehe ford and mazda are almost one in the same now.

Well.... kinda. Mazda's frequently use Ford engines. But with the exception of the Escape/Tribute and their truck (and you very rarely see teh Mazda truck around anymore), Mazda seems not to rely on Ford at all. They make unique designs and great ideas. Once they have proven themselves, Ford reminds them of their share and takes their ideas. Example ... RX-8. Mazda puts a great handling car with a unique shape and design. Ford takes it to copy directly into one of their Jaguar conepts. The folding seat from Mazda's mpv...the next year or two and Ford takes it to put into their Freestar. The Mazda 3. Great success, and now it appears (maybe only to me), that ford used a great portion of that car in its new 05 Focus.

Seems Mazda is putting out their own cars, and Ford is leeching the good ideas off of em. Could just be my own personal bias though, as i tend to think highly of Mazda, and not so great about Ford. Maybe im just rationalizing it.

WarWagon · 05-20-2004, 01:43 PM

Not sure if anyone has ever talked to someone who owns one of the Monster Miatas, but many of them say that the extra weight of the v8 does NOT throw off the handling much at all. You've got to remember that you're losing all of the emissions crap, and more often than not the AC along with it.

bad30th · 05-20-2004, 02:11 PM

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Originally posted by WarWagon
Not sure if anyone has ever talked to someone who owns one of the Monster Miatas, but many of them say that the extra weight of the v8 does NOT throw off the handling much at all.

If the V8 is all aluminum (which that 5.0 is not), then the handling might not change much. Beyond that, anyone who says it doesnt "throw the handling off" is probably trying to justify it to themselves as much as to you.....

Peryn: I am pretty sure the 6 cyl in the Mazda-6 is designed by Ford also.

WarWagon · 05-20-2004, 03:28 PM

An iron headed 5.0 with all of the swap materials should add no more than 250 lbs to the front. Take off a good bit more if you consider aluminum heads. If you're serious enough to drop a v8 in a miata, you're sure as hell not going to leave the front suspension alone, so it's not particularly difficult to make this car handle comparably to what it did stock.

leftturn109 · 05-20-2004, 04:29 PM

it is a ricer based on the fact it is a small compact car that used to be owned by asian car copany

less rice then other but still the body shape has a little of that ricer flaver in my opinion

bad30th · 05-20-2004, 05:30 PM

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Originally posted by WarWagon
An iron headed 5.0 with all of the swap materials should add no more than 250 lbs to the front. Take off a good bit more if you consider aluminum heads. If you're serious enough to drop a v8 in a miata, you're sure as hell not going to leave the front suspension alone, so it's not particularly difficult to make this car handle comparably to what it did stock.

I was not implying that they left the suspension alone......if you do this kind of swap and dont touch the suspension, you are a fucking jackass.

And 250# is a lot of weight to add, especially when youre talking about a car that only weighs 2200# or thereabouts in the first place. Adding 250# to a car that already weighs 4000# isnt as big of a deal, but 250 is around 11% of that measly 2200. Big difference.

Now if you swap in a turbo rotary instead, you should actually lose weight, as well as lowering the car's center of gravity, since typically rotaries sit very low and arent all that tall.

I dunno....just what I would have done if I had this guy's time and money. I'm a big fan of keeping a Mazda all Mazda and a Ford all Ford. Automotive cannibalism just isnt my thing. Its still a cool swap, I guess.

stingc · 05-20-2004, 06:54 PM

Its probably fast enough that he really doesn't care about the minimal change in handling

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silent_jay · 05-20-2004, 08:39 PM

a rice flavour body shape, now that I have never heard of, ricer usually means soemthing that has a bunch of fancy shit (stereo, neon lights, big freakin wings, and grapefruit launcher mufflers, etc) on the car that has nothing to do with making it go fast or handle better, and as stated earlier by MrSelfDestruct everything with the exception of the stripe is functional.

A turbo rotary would definitely have been much cooler

89transam · 05-20-2004, 09:30 PM

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Originally posted by bad30th
I was not implying that they left the suspension alone......if you do this kind of swap and dont touch the suspension, you are a fucking jackass.

Comedy gold!

leftturn109 · 05-20-2004, 10:13 PM

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Originally posted by silent_jay
a rice flavour body shape, now that I have never heard of, ricer usually means soemthing that has a bunch of fancy shit (stereo, neon lights, big freakin wings, and grapefruit launcher mufflers, etc) on the car that has nothing to do with making it go fast or handle better, and as stated earlier by MrSelfDestruct everything with the exception of the stripe is functional.

well i guess your right its not rally much of a ricer but it is still a little new car and i guess i just kinda lump those togather in my own mind

silent_jay · 05-21-2004, 05:03 AM

bodypainter · 05-21-2004, 01:05 PM

Way cool. I wish he'd said how much money he's got invested in it now.

Gimli · 05-22-2004, 11:53 AM

The Mazda transmission is some 70 lbs. heavier than the T-5, so that helps.

Nimisys · 05-22-2004, 12:36 PM

just FYI rotary Miata swap can cost more than the miata to do. the rotarys flywheel comes out int he center of the engine, not the bottom. you run into some serous ground cleanrce issues and transmission fitment issues in making them work. it is not impossible but it is not an easy swap to pull off.. nor cost effictive. that being a said a single turbo 3 rotor motor would be baddass in a miata... 500HP in a 2500LB car.

bad30th · 05-22-2004, 04:45 PM

And you dont think that supercharged and built-up 5.0 cost more than that old little car?

Nimisys · 05-22-2004, 10:25 PM

i was reffering to the cars cost when new

acpower · 05-23-2004, 03:16 AM

Those are some fatty tires.

Kurant · 05-23-2004, 08:47 AM

That's sweet.

I wish he said how much he has into the car. And that V8 is much cooler in that car then any gay rotary.

Munku · 05-23-2004, 01:27 PM

Personally I think that that car is hideous. I hate Miata's. Their little tiny cabs in the middle of the body is just ugly. :/

bad30th · 05-23-2004, 01:37 PM

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Originally posted by Kurant
And that V8 is much cooler in that car then any gay rotary.

that was an intelligent comment

Kurant · 05-23-2004, 01:41 PM

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Originally posted by bad30th
that was an intelligent comment

And that was an intelligent reply.

bad30th · 05-23-2004, 02:03 PM

I thought you had to be an adult to join this forum? Man, I wish I had the forethought to follow you around and try to disprove things you say in multiple threads. Awesome.

Go away.

Peryn · 05-23-2004, 02:18 PM

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Originally posted by Kurant
And that V8 is much cooler in that car then any gay rotary.

uh huh... and whys that? What makes the rotary "gay"? The fact that it is smaller, lighter, revs higher, and can make every bit as much power? The fact that it has far fewer parts to break, or because its lower center of gravity? Or maybe its just "gay" becuase you dont know anything about it? Please... englighten me to the sexual preferences of engines....

Kurant · 05-23-2004, 02:22 PM

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Originally posted by Peryn
uh huh... and whys that? What makes the rotary "gay"? The fact that it is smaller, lighter, revs higher, and can make every bit as much power? The fact that it has far fewer parts to break, or because its lower center of gravity? Or maybe its just "gay" becuase you dont know anything about it? Please... englighten me to the sexual preferences of engines....

I don't know, I thought they all preferred the same thing?

Seriously, the rotary, well, doesn't do anything for me. Yeah, you guys are right, it would be kind of neat. But a V8 in that little car just screams monster. There really isn't a reason why, other then just to do it.

Either way, rotary, or V8, that thing is pretty bad ass.

b00f12 · 05-23-2004, 02:48 PM

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Originally posted by Peryn
... i think it would be better suited with either a turbo miata engine, or a turbo rotary...

In Australia they have an MX-5 (Miata) SP. Same motor, just a slightly lower compression and a low psi turbo. It is good for about 20% extra grunt over the NA version.
Dunno about the bent eight though. Miata's are always sold on the fact that their handling is excellent. Changing the weight distribution that much in a small car has got to something to the handling characteristics.

My 2 cents worth.

Jason.

Peryn · 05-23-2004, 03:06 PM

Well, the new MazdaSpeed Miata is coming turboed and intercooled. Worth 10-20% increase in power (dont feel like getting the real number....lazy). But its reasonably common to turbo the old engines. The internals are incredibly strong, and it was basically built for boost. They evenleft room next to the manifold to put the turbo in. Many will turbo those up to ~300 horses, keeping them low enough to be a reliable daily driver without worries of breaking stuff.

clonmult · 05-24-2004, 07:49 AM

BBR (Brodie Brittain Racing) did the "official" UK conversion of the MX-5/Miata years back. Took the power from 115bhp to around 150. BBR also did (do?) a 232bhp variant.

The 150bhp took 0-60 from 8.7 to 6.8 secs. 232 bhp version does 0-60 in around 5 secs and 0-100 in 11.2 secs. Not bad going at all.

silent_jay · 05-24-2004, 12:19 PM

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Originally posted by bad30th
that was an intelligent comment

Quote:

Originally posted by bad30th
I thought you had to be an adult to join this forum?...

seems like you made the original childish comment, just my 2 cents

I really love this car, it is just too cool

bad30th · 05-24-2004, 01:16 PM

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Originally posted by silent_jay
seems like you made the original childish comment, just my 2 cents

I am assuming you are referring to me.

In your attempts to 'own' me in every thread, you must have missed this little tidbit....

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Originally posted by Kurant
And that V8 is much cooler in that car then any gay rotary.

Read the whole thread before you decide to pick out my posts and continue with this childish vendetta you have against me.

Kurant · 05-24-2004, 01:39 PM

There was one of these on Speedvision last night. I don't know the name of the swap, I had tried to remember it, but I coulden't. It went 11.65 in the 1/4 mile. Thing is sick, a Miata that sounds like a god damn Cobra.

EDIT: I meant, the name of the company/guy who did the swap.

silent_jay · 05-25-2004, 06:48 AM

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Originally posted by bad30th
I am assuming you are referring to me.

In your attempts to 'own' me in every thread, you must have missed this little tidbit....

Read the whole thread before you decide to pick out my posts and continue with this childish vendetta you have against me.

No vendetta against you, just something I came across while reading a thread that I have participated in before, not picking out your posts, just something I noticed, sorry I'll ask before I respond to a thread next time I see your name.
I have no desire to "own you" in every thread, the resale value would be too low, what is so childish about saying the V8 is much cooler than the gay rotary it's his opinion, or is he not allowed to say that? Maybe you should start a thread called "Bad30th Tells You Everything About Cars"

05-20-2004, 04:04 AM	#1 (permalink)
leftturn109 Crazy Location: Olalla washington	V8 Miata now here is a respectable RICER. http://home.comcast.net/~cmos20/miata/ http://home.comcast.net/~cmos20/miat...iata_side2.jpg http://home.comcast.net/~cmos20/miat...inalmotor2.JPG

05-20-2004, 05:50 AM	#2 (permalink)
silent_jay Her Jay Location: Ontario for now....	So how is this car a "ricer"? or has the definition changed again? Don't get me wrong it is a nice car __________________ Absence makes the heart grow fonder

05-20-2004, 08:54 AM	#3 (permalink)
merkerguitars Buffering......... Location: Wisconsin...	Me and my roomate are building a ford 351W engine for a miata __________________ Donate now! Ask me How! Please use the search function it is your friend. Look at my mustang please feel free to comment! http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?t=26985

05-20-2004, 09:41 AM	#5 (permalink)
Peryn Junkie Location: San Diego, CA.	While the v8 Monster Miata idea does make for a really nice, powerful car, i think it would be better suited with either a turbo miata engine, or a turbo rotary. It stays true to the Mazda nameplate, but also makes great power while keeping it light and not throwing off the weight distribution. __________________ Dont cry kid, It's not your fault you suck.

05-20-2004, 04:29 PM	#13 (permalink)
leftturn109 Crazy Location: Olalla washington	it is a ricer based on the fact it is a small compact car that used to be owned by asian car copany less rice then other but still the body shape has a little of that ricer flaver in my opinion Last edited by leftturn109; 05-20-2004 at 04:32 PM..

05-20-2004, 09:33 AM	#4 (permalink)
Scorps Lost!! Location: Kingston, Ontario	now that isn't a womans car anymore

05-20-2004, 10:46 AM	#6 (permalink)
bad30th Insane Location: [insert witty play on location field here]	Yeah I'm with Peryn.....the blown V8 is cool and all, but a turbo rotary setup would be FAR cooler.....it'd still be fast as shit and it wouldnt destroy the car's handling.

05-20-2004, 10:57 AM	#7 (permalink)
MSD The sky calls to us ... Super Moderator Location: CT	So, how is this rice? It's all functional, with the exception of the racing stripe.

05-20-2004, 01:43 PM	#10 (permalink)
WarWagon Loser	Not sure if anyone has ever talked to someone who owns one of the Monster Miatas, but many of them say that the extra weight of the v8 does NOT throw off the handling much at all. You've got to remember that you're losing all of the emissions crap, and more often than not the AC along with it.

05-20-2004, 03:28 PM	#12 (permalink)
WarWagon Loser	An iron headed 5.0 with all of the swap materials should add no more than 250 lbs to the front. Take off a good bit more if you consider aluminum heads. If you're serious enough to drop a v8 in a miata, you're sure as hell not going to leave the front suspension alone, so it's not particularly difficult to make this car handle comparably to what it did stock.

05-20-2004, 06:54 PM	#15 (permalink)
stingc Psycho Location: PA	Its probably fast enough that he really doesn't care about the minimal change in handling .

05-20-2004, 08:39 PM	#16 (permalink)
silent_jay Her Jay Location: Ontario for now....	a rice flavour body shape, now that I have never heard of, ricer usually means soemthing that has a bunch of fancy shit (stereo, neon lights, big freakin wings, and grapefruit launcher mufflers, etc) on the car that has nothing to do with making it go fast or handle better, and as stated earlier by MrSelfDestruct everything with the exception of the stripe is functional. A turbo rotary would definitely have been much cooler __________________ Absence makes the heart grow fonder

05-21-2004, 05:03 AM	#19 (permalink)
silent_jay Her Jay Location: Ontario for now....	cool __________________ Absence makes the heart grow fonder

05-21-2004, 01:05 PM	#20 (permalink)
bodypainter Psycho Location: Sarasota	Way cool. I wish he'd said how much money he's got invested in it now.

05-22-2004, 11:53 AM	#21 (permalink)
Gimli Loser	The Mazda transmission is some 70 lbs. heavier than the T-5, so that helps.

05-22-2004, 12:36 PM	#22 (permalink)
Nimisys Crazy Location: San Diego	just FYI rotary Miata swap can cost more than the miata to do. the rotarys flywheel comes out int he center of the engine, not the bottom. you run into some serous ground cleanrce issues and transmission fitment issues in making them work. it is not impossible but it is not an easy swap to pull off.. nor cost effictive. that being a said a single turbo 3 rotor motor would be baddass in a miata... 500HP in a 2500LB car.

05-22-2004, 04:45 PM	#23 (permalink)
bad30th Insane Location: [insert witty play on location field here]	And you dont think that supercharged and built-up 5.0 cost more than that old little car?

05-22-2004, 10:25 PM	#24 (permalink)
Nimisys Crazy Location: San Diego	i was reffering to the cars cost when new

05-23-2004, 03:16 AM	#25 (permalink)
acpower Crazy	Those are some fatty tires.

05-23-2004, 08:47 AM	#26 (permalink)
Kurant Junkie Location: Don't worry about it.	That's sweet. I wish he said how much he has into the car. And that V8 is much cooler in that car then any gay rotary. Last edited by Kurant; 05-23-2004 at 08:50 AM..

05-23-2004, 01:27 PM	#27 (permalink)
Munku Lost Location: Florida	Personally I think that that car is hideous. I hate Miata's. Their little tiny cabs in the middle of the body is just ugly. :/

05-23-2004, 02:03 PM	#30 (permalink)
bad30th Insane Location: [insert witty play on location field here]	I thought you had to be an adult to join this forum? Man, I wish I had the forethought to follow you around and try to disprove things you say in multiple threads. Awesome. Go away.

05-23-2004, 03:06 PM	#34 (permalink)
Peryn Junkie Location: San Diego, CA.	Well, the new MazdaSpeed Miata is coming turboed and intercooled. Worth 10-20% increase in power (dont feel like getting the real number....lazy). But its reasonably common to turbo the old engines. The internals are incredibly strong, and it was basically built for boost. They evenleft room next to the manifold to put the turbo in. Many will turbo those up to ~300 horses, keeping them low enough to be a reliable daily driver without worries of breaking stuff. __________________ Dont cry kid, It's not your fault you suck.

05-24-2004, 07:49 AM	#35 (permalink)
clonmult Crazy Location: Wherever I lay my hind quarters	BBR (Brodie Brittain Racing) did the "official" UK conversion of the MX-5/Miata years back. Took the power from 115bhp to around 150. BBR also did (do?) a 232bhp variant. The 150bhp took 0-60 from 8.7 to 6.8 secs. 232 bhp version does 0-60 in around 5 secs and 0-100 in 11.2 secs. Not bad going at all.

05-24-2004, 01:39 PM	#38 (permalink)
Kurant Junkie Location: Don't worry about it.	There was one of these on Speedvision last night. I don't know the name of the swap, I had tried to remember it, but I coulden't. It went 11.65 in the 1/4 mile. Thing is sick, a Miata that sounds like a god damn Cobra. EDIT: I meant, the name of the company/guy who did the swap. Last edited by Kurant; 05-24-2004 at 01:47 PM..