sixate

I like the old Viper much better. I think this thing looks like an oversized Mazda Miata.

mighty mouse

I agree. Old Viper>New Viper

a1t3r3g0

I don't think it looks like an oversized Miada, but too love the old body style a lot more than the new one.

Ambition

I don't think the new one looks bad at all. I think I like it a little more than the old one actually. But a Viper is a Viper old or new, I would complain if I had one.

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BooRadley

Yeah , I know what you mean. Having one of the highest horsepower/weight ratios of any street car in existance, coupled with the fact that the engine still has potential for 250 more horsepower on pump gas alone just BORES THE SHIT OUT OF ME. Man, that 1.00 g on the skidpad seems so extreme to me. I'd rather just have an audi station wagon with all wheel drive. I'd feel safer turning.

Man, I would HATE To have that car. I mean, who really wants to do 190? Shit. Add drag tires and you would have a competent drag racer, add slicks and you could have a strong autocross car.

I would much rather have an all wheel drive car and go to the twisties and brag about how my car is "SOOO much faster" than the viper. :rollseyes:
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I grow weary of the viper haters out there. It's faster than 98% of ALL other production cars to date, so get the fuck over it. That includes the corvette. Seriously. There is absolutely nothing wrong or substandard about the vipers engineering (with the exception of an underpowered-for-size engine, which is for safeties sake) , period. I don't care how much it costs, there is other cars that cost more, and not all domestics are pieces of slow junk.

Sure, there is some modified civics that could beat a viper in a drag race, and we've all seen the videos. Everyone also note that these same civics are running drag slicks and the vipers are running unaggressive street radials.

big_bubba

Uh-oh, I smell a rice vs iron argument coming up............

I like the viper a lot, but then again, I'm a mopar guy, so it's a given. I'd still rather have a dodge charger/challenger or a hemicuda.

The new viper is cool, but I prefer the older ones too.

King Tut

Saying nothing about the performance, which I'm sure is great, I like the looks of the old Viper beter. It does look a little tamer now.

Grondar

The ol dViper certainly has a more distinguishing body shape, and I like that. The old Vipers looked beastly and intimidating. This new one looks to curved and smooth IMO.

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BooRadley

I am not trying to start a ricer vs domestic argument. I am telling the people who swear up and down they are knowledgable about cars to get a little sense and stop the pointless domestic bashing.

I have said nothing biased in my previous post. I never have owned a viper or a porsche or any high end car. But, people(engineers) test these cars and the results can be easily compared to other cars.

The same couple of arguments against domestic performance cars always comes up, and they are really ignorant considering actual knowledge of engineering.

I don't pretend to be an all-knowing expert, but I'm studying to be a mechanical engineer. I've got quite a bit of hands on knowledge of race-car design and fabrication with Formula SAE, and I think it's an adequate basis for most of my opinions on here.

"real wheel drive is inferior to all wheel drive"-- maybe for short autocross tracks and 1/8 mile drag racing.

The viper is a high speed beast, not a commuter/autocross car. It is raced at lemans 24 hours, that should be a hint to where it's track use is. Most decent sized RWD cars are not set up for incredibly tight slow corners, but then again, Corvettes still own porsches in SCCA autocrosses in my area.

"The xxxx gets bad gas mileage and the turbo xxx gets 25 mpg"-- Yeah, formula one cars get 4-6 mpg at best? Ok. Yes, we all know how much you want your high-performance car to be fuel efficent. Ridiculous. Fuel efficency is impossible with significant power.

"Turbo is a replacement for displacement so big engines are useless now adays"--Yes, turbos are wonders of technology. The right tuned turbo could be devastating and have tremendous amounts of power, but high horsepower+turbo + small motor = ridiculous RPMs, narrow torque band, and high turbo lag. I'd rather have a car with instant power than wait for things to spool up and have to keep it in a specified rpm range.

This next one will be biased : "But the viper/corvette/camaro/mustang is ugly as hell!"
I prefer the aerodynamic coupe/roadster styles to the station wagon/hatchback with hood scoop and ground effects look any day.

I don't pretend to know every single complexity of race cars and how and why every component is designed as such. I have learned the basic engineering principles behind high performance cars, and the arguments against domestic cars are weak to say the least.

sexy_bastard

agree ... the old viper is MUCH better!

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wise

hey sixate, you sure do like these 2003 cars

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The new viper looks a lot like the Copperhead concept car in gran turismo

Atomic Pinkie

My favorite part of this is the engineering bit....

WELL

Obviously you haven't driven in one while staying in Arizona....

When you run the exhaust pipes next to the doors in such a fashion...

It adds heat to the main 'cabin' if you will

I'd call that an engineering flaw



Anything else, yes, vipers are fun

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Loup

Old Viper, New Viper.

I'ld be happy with any Dodge Viper

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