evo_schen

you weren't directing that at me, were you?

BoCo

No.

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TwistedFate

You have no clue what I stand for, so maybe you should realize that before you start flinging personal attacks about me and my principles. I'll start by saying drag racing in a street legal car is for chumps that can't drive and burn outs do nothing but wear out clutches, transmissions, and tires. I have never once street raced as endangering other peoples lives is not my idea of fun. Performance means more than straight line speed. I'm glad you are into handling. So am I. I drive a '95 Civic HB as my daily driver so I know the capabilities of it pretty well and know that it understeers like a pig. You can make it handle better, but you can never make it handle what I would consider good. So go peddle all that handling propaganda to somebody that doesn't know any better.

Here is my performance car:


I have watched so called 'good handling' Civics nearly go off road trying to follow me when I wasn't even pushing it. I take turns at speeds Civic drivers wish they could. I know handling, and how to get around turns quickly, and a Civic is not the best way to do it.

I don't have anything against you personally, but I saw the start of what I know to be a bad road. I've peeled kids from around trees because the mods they made to their cars didn't help the driveabilty at high speeds, a lot of them made them worse. I saw in another thread (after my original post) that you have some handling issues covered, and that you will be replacing the engine to back up the aggressive looks you are getting ready to put on it. I'm glad. Everything else I have is just personal preferences of mine and don't enter into it in this situation, because I have already said it is your car to do with as you please especially once you have taken care of safety issues. I may not have posted my first message if I had seen your other thread first. Upon review I also missed the post where you mentioned putting the motor in, so I wouldn't have asked the "all show, no go" question if I would learn to read properly.

I tell you what, let me know when you get it built like you want it. I'll drive down to St. Louis or meet you half way and give you a ride in the MR2 in exchange for a ride in your Civic. I love cars and would love to see what you can do with it. I've been in the little poser versions and I've seen the ones that are built for handling, but I've never actually been in one that was done with handling in mind. This is not meant as a "I'll show you what handling is all about" challenge, but as a real sharing of information and broadening of horizons.

And about the racist comment, that is the most rediculous statement I have heard in a long time. Especially considering you don't even know if I'm Asian or not. Again I feel the need to point out that a little knowledge about me before making personal statements would help alot.

evo_schen: Fair enough. I don't consider all Japanese cars rice. Note in this post that I have 2 myself currently and have owned nothing but Japenese cars for the last 12 years.

newman

Hondas are exactly what they're advertised as. Economy cars.

They're not racecars. They're not made for "Taking corners". They're not made for anything other than driving your ass around town. Why else would they come with 75hp at the wheels stock? Have you tried cornering in your Civic Hatch? Those things get more body roll than my friends truck. Planning to stiffen your springs? Get stiffer springs, it'll lower your car. Then what happens...you scratch your car on every little bump. You go over speedbumps sideways. I see it every day.

Maybe over there in St. Louis Civics aren't as butchered as they are here. But it's come to my attention that anyone that mods Civics DESTROYS THEM. They're not fast cars, but everyone that drives one thinks they are. If you get your GSR engine in there successfully without screwing something up, congratulations. But it's not a Civic anymore is it? You're wasting your money. Engine swaps are expensive, and they take a lot of time, assuming you're going to do it yourself. If you pay someone to do it, expect to pay out the ass in labor costs cause it's not an easy job.

Good luck, guy. If I see you posting on here and your Civic looks decent, good. If it looks like ass, i'll gladly go to St. Louis to drill a hole in the gas tank and light a match and piss on the ashes.

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TheClarkster

I don't know much about cars, but I have always though hatchbacks looked really fun to drive.
Then again.. I'm stuck with an '85 blue volvo station wagon.

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Scrub0

I like the rims.

billege

"Is that you slagging off someone's neon on the other thread, Billege?"


I don't know what "slagging off" means. It's also not likely I was "slagging off" someone's neon in another thread. It's not likely because I don't have the vaguest memory of commenting on anyone's neon.

I guess you should look at the username of whatever comment you're reffering too.

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terpie

BoCo -- Eight years old huh? Your right it does still look new!

castex

billege
Insane

Posted on Rice for Breakfast, lunch...

"It's a neon.

So it's really fast.

It's still a neon.

A lot like owning a J body, but...worse.


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I see someone not taking their own advice. Really, I'm not trying to be an arse, but you should steer clear of such hypocrisy.

Booty Man

Ever see a Civic with a blown GSR engine beat a Viper on a 1/4 mile??

Stare At The Sun

My outlook on this, the civic isnt the best car for handling, i'd go w/ an awd DSM, or an evo... still though, hondas are ok cars, but if modding your car is what you wanna do, the go for it, cause man, its your cash, your life, your choice, go for it, so long as your happy.

On a semi-related note, i dont think "ricer"= racism, mainly because most ricers are stupid little white boys with to much of daddys money to spend.... Though, i think "ricer" is the most overused word...ever.

Still though, Keep us updated with future mods, and show us more pics!

FastShark85

BoCo:

Nice ride....you've got my respect for keeping the car looking so good for 8 years. It ought to last a long time in your care.

About the "ricer" thing. My understanding of the term is that it refers to any cars that have been modified to LOOK fast, but none of the mods actually make the cars any faster. True, it's most often applied to Asian cars that are "all show, no go", but I've heard it applied to American cars that have had stickers and neon lights slapped all over them.

Porkibear

Why don't you make it a track car? Gut the interior, put a recaro race seat in there, 5-point harness, drop the GS-R/Type-R motor in there, get some race compound tires, and TRACK that thing!

I went to a racetrack with a few buddies of mine, and a hatchback civic passed me up in the corners. It's a fun little car if you just get the proper equipment. That is, unless you're into just the looks.

Nice pics. Here's a pic of my car.
<img src="http://www.angelfire.com/hero/porkibear/images/IMG_2117.JPG">

cookiezzz

Not a bad civic mate. Too bad they are so common.

billege

<b>castex</b>,

OHHH! THAT Neon. With a capital "n."

On this thread I mentioned to BoCo some stuff about LEDs, and neon.

The you asked me about neon. I figured you meant neon lights on someone's car. But, hey apparently you meant Neon, the car.

Yeah, I said a Neon sucks.

What the hell do you care anyway?

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castex

Sorry for the lack of a capital; I'd had a few, and my wife was waiting to watch 'League of Gentlemen' (Brit series, not film - very funny if you're not squeamish).

What do I care? I only care because on this thread you told us off for hinting at negativity in response to this poor bloke's pride and joy. Why can't the world get along (I'm paraphrasing), you said, why can't we all just love each other and congratulate ourselves on our uniform good taste and judgement? My point is that what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander - if you criticise others for one thing you should not be doing it yourself. Get it?

I love your avatar, BTW - gives me the willies!

BoCo

My car isn't about "show" at all. I don't give the tiniest fuck if anyone is impressed with my car. I'm going to mod it in the way that *I* like it, and I'm not concerned whether or not my mods impress anyone else.

This car is awesome when it comes to handling. First off, it weighs under 2200 pounds. It also has double wishbones on all four corners, and with my Koni adjustable shocks and coilover springs, I can make it over-steer or under-steer as much as I want it to. To over-steer so much that it'll scare you, I simply set the front shocks at 1 and the rears at 4. Barely lifting of the throttle in a corner causes the rear to shoot out enough that it nearly goes into a tailspin. Normally, I keep the fronts on 3 and the rears on 4 because I like it to stay stiff. Also, the car has been lowered about an inch and a half on the coilovers, and I might lower it a bit more when I get the new wheels on. It all trial and error to get it as low as possible without rubbing the fenders on the tires when cornering or hitting bumps/dips.

Take a modded Civic for a drive and shut your fat mouth.

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shecky

Why don't you keep the car in the condition it's in, invest that money you were going to spend on mods on a down payment for a house?

I'm serious.

Ramega

Boco, man, good luck with the car and all. But maybe you should try some drugs. You sXe guys sure seem wound up sometimes. This is an open forum, so you gotta expect you're gonna get harshed on when you post specs for your rice rocket.

And ricer is not a racist term. That would imply that I think all Asian people are inferior in some way to whatever race I am. I don't. Ricer is a term typically aimed at Japanese cars. They eat a lot of rice in Japan. End of line.

Again, good luck. Esp. if it's your daily driver.

laxative

didn't read the thread. don't really care about car mods. happen to drive a civic that's completely stock and kinda crappy. but i like the insults.

billege

"I am an ass." New tagline for me.


(You did catch me in something I didn't realize I was doing. I thank you.)

From now on I will be uniformly pissy about everybodys car.

--In part of my new "piss poor" performace piece I present this:--

BoCo, your car sucks.


It will suck no matter what you do to it.

In fact, whatever you do to it will suck, and will increase the overall "suckiness" factor.

When you are done with the car I will hear a huge sucking sound coming from the south. That will be you turning the key on your suckmobile.

Then you will post new pics of the car, and they will suck, because the camera you'll use to take the pictures sucks.

Even worse, the sucky pictures will be displayed over my monitor, which will make it suck.

Then I will be captured in the huge pool of suck eminating from your huge suck-car project.

Hence, ultimately, I will end up sucking too.


Thanks a lot.

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BoCo

Naw, billege, you're cool with me. Everyone else just sucks.

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newman

I wouldn't be caught dead in a "modded" civic. Get your "Marbles in a tin can" exhaust, get your "look at me I wasted $500 for rims" rims, get your "OMG CIVIC LOOK LED LIGHTS COOL!!!11 HOT!!11" lights, get your wing, get your body kit, get your dyed interior, get your seats, adjust your coilovers, drop a GSR engine in.

Try and sell it.

KBB of Honda Civic + 2/3 Cost of mods = Asking price

KBB of Honda Civic - 1/4 Cost of mods - Pointless engine swap = Price you'll get.

If you're lucky a riceboy will give you

KBB of Honda Civic + $200

You're wasting your money. Even if you don't want to sell it and you keep it forever, you'll just shake your head in dissapointment in 2 years when the riceboy era is over. Save your money for college or something. Buy a slurpee. Buy various drugs and experience life. Civics suck. Go pray to jesus for a better car.

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castex

Don't be like that, Billege!
Here's one of mine; exactly how much does it suck, would you say?

BoCo

Dude, I'm 27. I work for a living. Fuck the "riceboy era"; I do what I please despite what trends are going on around me. Fucking myself with drugs doesn't equal "experiencing life". Civics are great cars. I pray to Jesus that you don't always remain a flaming asshole.

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billege

I've been praying that <b>castex</b> would stop driving such a sucky car.

But a BMW wagon doesn't really suck, it blows.

It blows enough that there are high wind advisories when you come into town. That wagon would blow your hair dry, just so you can have the 80's "yuppie-do" you're soooo proud of. Blowing that much isn't usually a problem, but people in Texas are getting tired of the dust storms you're causing, and they're coming to kick your ass. In fact, if that car didn't blow as much as it does, it'd blow just a little more so we could use it to turn windmills. Intead your car can't even be really good at blowing, so we'll use it to keep the kids air beds inflated; if it can mangage that!

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udstudentxxx

dont waste your money on this car...

Stare At The Sun

Jeez, people sure as fuck don't offer much support in this thread.

It's still a nice, car, and i think its got potential, besides, its your money. and i atleast want more pics.

Seriously though, if you ever want a new project car, get a 90-94 eclipse/talon/laser that is turbocharged and has All Wheel drive.

Simply the most fun car to drive, ever(for the price and whatnot that is).

rodgerd

That'll let you surprise people at the lights quite nicely...

rodgerd

Not cool. Threats of "I'll beat you up" on the Internet just make you look as silly as him.

Moonduck

Least it isn't one of the newer ones. I do NOT like what they did to 'em.

newman

If it wasn't popular you wouldn't do it. Everyone and their brother has exactly what you're putting on your Civic so you're doing it too. What ever happened to originality? The only thing original I see on your list of mods is the engine swap and everyone says their planning one but never does it. Done overdone and done again. The legacy that is the Civic.

::EDIT:: I don't think Jesus would appreciate the use of the word "Fuck" sir. Better repent.

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BoCo

newman, if the whole fucking world blew up and I was the only dude left, I'd still do the same mods I've listed. I do nothing because of popularity or I'd be a fucking pothead drunk on my way to another kegger.

I guess to make you happy I should buy either a Ford Mustang, Chevy Camaro, VW GTI or perhaps, a BMW M3. Those are certainly not overdone.

BTW, Jesus doesn't care if I sat "fuck" or not. The word is only considered 'bad' because society says so. To God, it's just another word.

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NotMinus

I understand the hostility here because most gearheads go for speed before looks.

The reason these mods are popular are beacuse marketing engineers dreamed up an idea, that they could sell overpriced hunks of molded plastic to people to modify there car. What would be origonal, building your own fiberglass body kit, not shelling out a few hundred for some cosmetic upgrades that everyone and the 16 year old girl nextdoor installed. Did you even want to upgrade your car before you witnessed the horror that is the "honda nation" commercial?

89transam

Boco am I reading your avatar right? Drugs free, sex for life?

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Drug Free For Life. The sXe stands for Straight Edge.

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Peryn

First off, i have very little respect for cars that make themselves look fast but have nothing to back it up. That being said, it is very important that as a car owner, you enjoy how your car looks....no matter what. And, considering the amount of money you stuck into looks, i think it is extremely tasteful. Could be MUCH worse for that money. for that, kudos to you.

Personally, i am totally biased against hondas and FWD cars in general, because as an excellent rule of thumb, they generally do not handle well. I am sure your hondah is great, but put the money spent on making it handle well into another car, and you will probably get better results. Hondas were econoboxes, not racecars.

Perhaps its late and im just not thinkin correctly, but on the first page, did you say you had carbon fiber intake and exhaust? What exactly are you talking about? obviously not the manifolds...and not the exhaust piping.....

Anyway, while its not my cup of tea, it could be much worse and im glad you enjoy it.


TwistedFate : i love it. i am currently looking into learning everything i can about mr2's....aiming to get a '93 or so when i get the money. mid/rear engine, turbo, awesome handling and aboslutely sexy lines imo.

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newman

Being original would be doing something that someone sees and says "Damn, don't see that too often." instead of "Damn, won't these fucking riceboys stop?". Not a day goes by that I don't see a lowered Civic with an exhaust, tinted windows, gauge pods with useless gauges in them (or even worse, empty), the damned colored speedo/tach, rims and a body kit that's unpainted. Granted some people think any reaction is a good reaction, but i'd give a better response to that guys MR2 than your Honda. MR2's are pretty original as a matter of fact. Not many people own them. Especially the older ones. Kudos to you sir. My entire point is you're doing the same thing as everyone else, and no, if the whole world blew up and you were the only "dude" alive, you wouldn't do these mods. You'd go steal some dead guys Civic who has the same work already done to it. It'd take you 30 minutes in Southern California to find one.

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rodgerd

Yeah, that's right. I mean, every time I look at an NSX or an S2000 I find myself thinking, "Economy cars; that's all honda understand."

newman

Oh god don't get me started on the NSX. The $80,000 car that performs far less than that of a ~$40,000 Corvette. Even comes with less horsepower and handles worse and looks worse in my opinion. I <3 vettes S2000 isn't quite so bad looking, but they're slow...real slow. Saw a stock S2000 with nothing but a 1' Aluminum wing at the Drags here, lost to a early 90's Ford Probe that was BEAT TO HELL! That must have been embarrasing. That Probe barely ran...

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