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Strange Famous · 07-25-2009, 05:13 AM

horrible crash for Massa.

The news coming out at the moment unconfirmed is that he isnt seriously injured, but that was just horrible to watch.

Kind of hard to talk about the racing in light of it until we have firm news - but Jenson needs a big result this weekend.

Strange Famous · 07-25-2009, 10:50 AM

look like Massa isnt out of the woods yet, reports are that he has a fractured skull...

After he was struck by the debris from Rubens car I think he was out, it was pure reaction that he was capable of breaking somewhat before he hit the wall when he was half out... I guess everyone is praying that that reaction saves his life

Jetée · 07-25-2009, 10:55 AM

You keep teaching me more and more, yet none of it has to do with the topic at hand.

I rarely watch the qualifying rounds, but you've given me a story incentive to check the time trials online.

I'll see how this shapes up for the race tomorrow, 'cause as of this entry, I don't the race order yet.

Strange Famous · 07-25-2009, 10:59 AM

Alonso on poll, Lewis was 4th, Jenson 8th... dont remember any if other placings, but I think Vettell was 2nd.

after edit

Grid (top 10)

Alonso
Vettel
Webber
Hamilton
Rosberg
Kovalienen
Raikenen
Button
Nakajima
Massa (*)

(*) wont be taking part in race

Jetée · 07-25-2009, 11:05 AM

Wow, I didn't realize any of this.

Didn't remember that the next race was this weekend (but every other weekend seems to be the typified timeline for races), or how serious Massa was injured.

I need to crawl the F1 news online to get properly up-to-date. Thanks for the topical reminder, and relevant event news. It was strangely absent and silent the previous race.

bobby · 07-25-2009, 12:35 PM

payers to Massa...xoxoxoo

Strange Famous · 07-25-2009, 01:31 PM

If he'd have hit the barrier at full speed I think he would be done for... he took a lot of speed off of the crash, I dont know how.

These guys are all racers and they have to carry on regardless, they all know there are risks involved.

This is the first time track temp will be back up up around 90+ so interesing to see if Brawn are back on the pace or not. In quali it didnt look like they were. Big decision coming up as to whether Webber or Vettel is the man, if they dont make it it could let Jenson have a free run home.

silent_jay · 07-25-2009, 01:58 PM

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Felipe Massa’s rivals wishing him well
Felipe Massa, struck by a component from Rubens Barrichello’s Brawn Mercedes in qualifying for the Hungarian Grand Prix, has undergone surgery this afternoon at the AEK hospital in Budapest.

Massa sustained head injuries from the flying debris including facial cuts but more significantly a fractured skull and concussion. He remains in a ‘serious but stable’ condition the hospital has confirmed via the AFP news agency.

The outcome of the procedure was 'positive' the Ferrari team has confirmed and the Brazilian is to remain under observation and in intensive care.

His on track rivals have all rallied around following his accident. Countryman Barrichello visited the medical centre soon after the incident.

“My position today is unimportant,” he said with reference to qualifying. “My thoughts right now are with Felipe and his family who are really close friends of mine and I hope he is going to be okay and will be fit as soon as possible.”

Ferrari is expected to make a further medical update late Sunday morning.

F1 : Massa serious but stable following surgery - MASSA - F1-Live.com

Strange Famous · 07-25-2009, 02:58 PM

shit, "serious but stable" is the second worst status they give out

come on Massa, pull through son.

blade02 · 07-25-2009, 04:32 PM

Eerily similar to the accident that claimed Sertes live last weekend at Brands Hatch.

silent_jay · 07-25-2009, 05:29 PM

Found this article with pictures from Felipe's in car camera:

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The moment F1 driver Felipe Massa was knocked unconscious by flying debris during Grand Prix qualifier

Ferrari's Felipe Massa will be brought out of a coma to have a brain scan in a Budapest hospital today after suffering head injuries in a horrifying 170mph crash during qualifying for the Hungarian Grand Prix.

Six days after Henry Surtees, the teenage son of legendary racer John, died as a result of being hit by the detached wheel of a rival car in a Formula Two race at Brands Hatch, Massa, 28, was also hit by stray debris, a rear suspension spring that had fallen off Rubens Barrichello's Brawn car.

The spring - they can weigh as much as one kilo - struck the Brazilian on the front-left side of his helmet yesterday, causing him to career off the track, on to grass and then into a tyre wall at the Hungaroring.

A loose spring from Rubens Barrichello's car is pictured here just moments before it struck Felipe Massa on the head

The car part hurtles towards Massa during a qualifying session for the Hungarian F1 Grand Prix

Massa would have been driving at about 170mph at the moment of impact

The car approaches the tyre barrier

Massa's car becomes embedded in the quadruple layer of tyres

Massa hit his head on the steering wheel on impact with the wall and sat motionless in the cockpit as marshals called for medical assistance.

Two ambulances, then additional paramedic backup, arrived. The Ferrari star was carried off on a stretcher and driven to the track's medical centre before being airlifted to the AEK Military Hospital in Budapest, where he had emergency surgery on a fractured skull and was put in intensive care.

Reports suggested he had bone removed from around his eye socket. He was then put in an induced coma. His brother, Eduardo, was by his bedside until the late evening, as Ferrari fans gathered outside the hospital. His parents, Ana Elena and Luiz Antonio, and pregnant wife, Raffella, are flying in from Brazil to be with him.

Last night the Hungarian Defence Ministry said that Massa, who is unlikely to drive again this season, was in a 'satisfactory condition'. 'At the time he was admitted to hospital his condition was stable and he was breathing and blood circulation was normal,' said a spokesman.

Brazilian Formula One driver Massa is carried out of his car after the accident at the Hungaroring race track in Budapest

'During the course of his examination they established that he suffered serious, life-threatening injuries including loss of consciousness and a fracture of the forehead on the left side and a fracture on the base of the skull.

'He is being cared for in intensive care after surgery on a life-threatening injury and he is now in a stable, satisfactory condition.'

While one of the doctors who had seen Massa warned of possible damage to the driver's brain, nothing can be certain until experts have examined today's scan. Ferrari are considering withdrawing their other driver, Kimi Raikkonen, from today's race. The final session of qualifying was delayed by 20 minutes as Massa's car was hoisted off the track and taken back to the garage, where it was unloaded piece by piece.

As qualifying restarted, a medical helicopter moved the stricken racer to hospital, accompanied by his brother, Eduardo, and manager Nicolas Todt. Team principal Stefano Domenicali soon followed, and they were later joined by fellow Brazilian Barrichello.

It appeared from film and photographs of the incident that Massa's visor came away from the screw on his helmet on impact with the debris, although it remains unclear how his eye and forehead came to be so severely injured. There did not appear to be a hole in the visor.

World champion Lewis Hamilton, who fought a titanic title battle with Massa last year, spoke for the entire paddock when he said: 'I want to send my best wishes to Felipe. It looked quite a big crash, so I hope he's OK.'

It is 15 years since a Formula One driver last died - Ayrton Senna at Imola in 1994, a loss which caused the then nine-year-old Hamilton to weep for his fallen hero.

Yesterday, Hamilton said: 'I saw the [Massa] crash. It's very scary. It has to be a big shock for any driver to have that happen, and very unfortunate because rarely do you see it.'

Referring to the Surtees tragedy, he added: 'For two incidents to happen in such a short period of time . . . we can't ignore it.'

Barrichello, who immediately went to see Massa before he was flown to hospital, said: 'I wanted to be there in case there was nobody from his family there.

'We are Brazilians and sometimes we have a family, sometimes we don't, and when we wake up all we want to see is someone we know. Felipe had a cut on his head, which could have been from the part of my car that was on the track.

'He was talking, he was moving, he was conscious, but they have to analyse the cut. He was moving his arms and legs.

Medical staff lift Massa into an ambulance

They had to make him sleep because he was very agitated. With that, they sedated him to calm him down before they moved him to hospital.'

Formula One supremo Bernie Ecclestone arrived at the hospital at 10.30pm local time and spent 15 minutes with Massa and his doctors.

He looked stressed and insisted that there would be an immediate review of safety procedures. 'This is not nice,' he said. 'I thought we had seen an end to all this sort of thing. It's mad. This is just a few days after one death and it is very disturbing.

'Professor Sid Watkins [F1 medical chief] deals with this and I have spoken to him this evening. He is going to get on to it straight away.'

The problem with Barrichello's rear suspension caused his team-mate and championship leader Jenson Button to have the failed part replaced on his own car as a precaution. The work was not completed in time for the start of the final session, which meant Button completed only one run rather than two and, therefore, was heavier by about four laps' worth of fuel because he had burned off less by the time he put in his final flying lap.

The injured driver is airlifted by helicopter to hospital

Qualifying ended in confusion with the time screens wiped out and no one knowing the order of the grid.

Button will start in eighth, his lowest position of the season, which makes it tough to withstand the advance of his nearest title rivals, Sebastian Vettel and Mark Webber, who start second and third behind Renault's Fernando Alonso on pole. He said: 'We're a little bit off the Red Bulls but I was happy with the car. We're probably just a 10th [of a second per lap] off their pace.

'I'm fuelled heavy for the race, which could be good, but we're so far down I'm not sure it will make any difference.'

Between Button and the Red Bulls will be Hamilton, who will start from a season-best fourth on the grid. With the KERS booster fitted on his McLaren, the British driver could yet compete for a podium finish.

The destroyed car of Ferrari Formula One driver Felipe Massa after his accident

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Eerily similar to the accident that claimed Sertes live last weekend at Brands Hatch.

Just saw that crash, what a freak accident that was that the tether broke off the tire, and he was only 18, sympathies go out to his family, that was terrible to watch.

Craven Morehead · 07-25-2009, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by silent_jay

Just saw that crash, what a freak accident that was that the tether broke off the tire, and he was only 18, sympathies go out to his family, that was terrible to watch.

Makes we wonder if the FIA will take action as they did following the weekend in 94 when Ratzenberger and Senna were killed. IMO they went too far and ruined many of the tracks. Would they mandate a closed cockpit? That would seem at least to me to create more issues that it would solve. But Bernie's comments seem to hint that something will be done.

edit - after rereading the article, don't think Bernie's hinting at anything being done. But I'm sure the FIA will certainly fully investigate.

Strange Famous · 07-26-2009, 05:51 AM

win for Lewis!

silent_jay · 07-26-2009, 08:43 AM

Good run for Lewis, good to see him get the win, scary shit seeing Alonso's wheel take off down the track, mechanics have to make sure those bad boys are on right, the tether is pointless if the wheel is on loose, luckily it went off the track right away and didn't hit anyone.

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after rereading the article, don't think Bernie's hinting at anything being done. But I'm sure the FIA will certainly fully investigate.

Agreed the closed cockpit would cause some more issues, hopefully they don't ruin any tracks, but as you said I'm sure they'll investigate these incidents fully.

Craven Morehead · 07-26-2009, 07:11 PM

Renault is being excluded from the next race - Valencia!!!!

I've seen reports that ticket sales for this race are really lagging. Eliminate Alonso from the grid and no one will show.

QuasiMondo · 07-27-2009, 10:32 AM

Doctors who performed surgey on Felipe Massa after his qualifying crash have reported that he has sustained some injuries to his left eye. The extent of the injury is not known, but it has prompted concerns that this injury could end his racing career.

Surgeon reveals Massa suffered eye damage - CNN.com

silent_jay · 07-27-2009, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Craven Morehead

Renault is being excluded from the next race - Valencia!!!!

I've seen reports that ticket sales for this race are really lagging. Eliminate Alonso from the grid and no one will show.

Just read about this and some other rumours about Alonso going to Ferrari next year and possibly happening sooner, but again just thew usual rumour mill or conspiracy theory.

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ING Renault banned from Valencia

The FIA has ruled that the ING Renault F1 team is suspended for the next Grand Prix, because a wheel fell off Fernando Alonso's car during the Hungarian Grand Prix. The Federation Francaise du Sport Automobile, the French national sporting authority, has appealed the decision on behalf of the team. It remains to be seen when the Court of Appeal will be convened, but with the European holidays now kicking in, it is unlikely that this will happen before the end of August. Thus one can expect to see Renault racing in Valencia, but it could then be left out of one of the following Grands Prix, probably the Italian race.

The FIA is obviously seriously worried about parts falling off cars, following the death of Henry Surtees in the Formula 2 race at Brands Hatch and the serious head injury suffered by Felipe Massa in Hungary at the weekend. Thus the decision is easily justifiable in terms of safety. It is, however, inevitable - whether the FIA likes it or not - that the move will be seen by some in F1 circles as some kind of a payback for Renault team boss Flavio Briatore, who has been one of the leading members of FOTA in recent months.

It will not help that the FIA Stewards in Budapest include some of Max Mosley's strongest supporters, who are advised by Mosley's right hand man Alan Donnelly. One of them is none other than Mohammed Ben Sulayem, the UAE representative, who confessed last year to have personally provided Mosley with 41 votes for last year's confidence vote resulting from Mosley's spanking scandal. Ben Sulayem later became an FIA Vice President. It is somewhat ironic that Ben Sulayem was given the opportunity to show off his driving skills in a Renault F1 car in Dubai a few months ago.

He crashed into the wall after losing control of the car as he accelerated away from the startline. A rather embarrassing experience.

Safety is, of course, of paramount importance and it is always difficult for those who seek to argue against the logic of it. However, such actions will lead the conspiracy theorists to see all manner of skeletons in the F1 cupboard. Although it has yet to be reported properly, there are rumours at the moment that Renault is on the verge of selling its F1 team to someone that Briatore has found to take it over. This will no doubt disrupt any negotiations along those lines. At the same time, with Massa unlikely to be back in action for Ferrari for some time, the team will be needing a new driver. It is expected that Alonso will join the Italian team next year whatever happens and it would be very convenient for that now to happen earlier than planned.

Such cynicism is rife in F1 circles and it will be interesting to see if this is what comes to pass.

The logic behind this punishment is that the team "knowingly released" Alonso from the pits without one of the retaining devices for the wheel-nuts being securely in position; it failed to take any action to prevent the car leaving the pits, failed to inform the driver of the problem or advise him to take the appropriate actions. The FIA says that this resulted in a heavy car part detaching itself from the car.

Found the video of this, hadn't seen it before or even heard of the incident, shows how much attention I was paying...lol

YouTube - Renault F1 R-28 vs. Ford GT40 SHUNTED!! Renault Roadshow Dubai (Dubai Autodrome)

Craven Morehead · 07-27-2009, 03:28 PM

FIA BS. :shakeshead:

BTW - here's more on the rumored Renault sale

http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2009/...ut-renault-f1/

07-25-2009, 05:13 AM	#1 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	F1 Hungary horrible crash for Massa. The news coming out at the moment unconfirmed is that he isnt seriously injured, but that was just horrible to watch. Kind of hard to talk about the racing in light of it until we have firm news - but Jenson needs a big result this weekend. __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

07-25-2009, 10:50 AM	#2 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	look like Massa isnt out of the woods yet, reports are that he has a fractured skull... After he was struck by the debris from Rubens car I think he was out, it was pure reaction that he was capable of breaking somewhat before he hit the wall when he was half out... I guess everyone is praying that that reaction saves his life __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas Last edited by Strange Famous; 07-25-2009 at 10:54 AM..

07-25-2009, 10:55 AM	#3 (permalink)
Jetée The Reforms Location: Rarely, if ever, here or there, but always in transition	You keep teaching me more and more, yet none of it has to do with the topic at hand. I rarely watch the qualifying rounds, but you've given me a story incentive to check the time trials online. I'll see how this shapes up for the race tomorrow, 'cause as of this entry, I don't the race order yet. __________________ As human beings, our greatness lies not so much in being able to remake the world (that is the myth of the Atomic Age) as in being able to remake ourselves. —Mohandas K. Gandhi

07-25-2009, 10:59 AM	#4 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	Alonso on poll, Lewis was 4th, Jenson 8th... dont remember any if other placings, but I think Vettell was 2nd. after edit Grid (top 10) Alonso Vettel Webber Hamilton Rosberg Kovalienen Raikenen Button Nakajima Massa () () wont be taking part in race __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas Last edited by Strange Famous; 07-25-2009 at 11:03 AM..

07-25-2009, 11:05 AM	#5 (permalink)
Jetée The Reforms Location: Rarely, if ever, here or there, but always in transition	Wow, I didn't realize any of this. Didn't remember that the next race was this weekend (but every other weekend seems to be the typified timeline for races), or how serious Massa was injured. I need to crawl the F1 news online to get properly up-to-date. Thanks for the topical reminder, and relevant event news. It was strangely absent and silent the previous race. __________________ As human beings, our greatness lies not so much in being able to remake the world (that is the myth of the Atomic Age) as in being able to remake ourselves. —Mohandas K. Gandhi

07-25-2009, 12:35 PM	#6 (permalink)
bobby Super Moderator Location: 18,000+ posts on TFP #1,2,3,4 and 5,but I'm not counting!	payers to Massa...xoxoxoo __________________ "Life goes on,within you,and...with out you !" xoxoxoo

07-25-2009, 01:31 PM	#7 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	If he'd have hit the barrier at full speed I think he would be done for... he took a lot of speed off of the crash, I dont know how. These guys are all racers and they have to carry on regardless, they all know there are risks involved. This is the first time track temp will be back up up around 90+ so interesing to see if Brawn are back on the pace or not. In quali it didnt look like they were. Big decision coming up as to whether Webber or Vettel is the man, if they dont make it it could let Jenson have a free run home. __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

07-25-2009, 02:58 PM	#9 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	shit, "serious but stable" is the second worst status they give out come on Massa, pull through son. __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

07-25-2009, 04:32 PM	#10 (permalink)
blade02 Insane	Eerily similar to the accident that claimed Sertes live last weekend at Brands Hatch.

07-26-2009, 05:51 AM	#13 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	win for Lewis! __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

07-26-2009, 07:11 PM	#15 (permalink)
Craven Morehead Custom User Title	Renault is being excluded from the next race - Valencia!!!! I've seen reports that ticket sales for this race are really lagging. Eliminate Alonso from the grid and no one will show.

07-27-2009, 10:32 AM	#16 (permalink)
QuasiMondo Wise-ass Latino Location: Pretoria (Tshwane), RSA	Doctors who performed surgey on Felipe Massa after his qualifying crash have reported that he has sustained some injuries to his left eye. The extent of the injury is not known, but it has prompted concerns that this injury could end his racing career. Surgeon reveals Massa suffered eye damage - CNN.com __________________ Cameron originally envisioned the Terminator as a small, unremarkable man, giving it the ability to blend in more easily. As a result, his first choice for the part was Lance Henriksen. O. J. Simpson was on the shortlist but Cameron did not think that such a nice guy could be a ruthless killer. -From the Collector's Edition DVD of The Terminator

07-27-2009, 03:28 PM	#18 (permalink)
Craven Morehead Custom User Title	FIA BS. :shakeshead: BTW - here's more on the rumored Renault sale http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2009/...ut-renault-f1/