Cynthetiq

This must have been amazing thing to see in LA today. I would love to take the opportunity to have seen all these cars. Check out the gallery. Some very very nice cars there. Too many to duplicate and post into here.

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ASU2003

If I ever become rich, I would love to do this race.

But North Korea? I don't ave a problem with the way they live there, but it's not high on my list of places to visit and take a expensive sports car that Kim may take.

Willravel

I would imagine there are a lot of interesting vehicles, but I'd never participate. Last year's fatal crash is symptomatic of poor planning. A bunch of dumb kids here in the Bay Area can organize street races where no one gets hurt with little more than a few minutes of planning. Why can't these snobs?

Cynthetiq

WHAT!?!??!???! They are called ACCIDENTS for a reason.

There's lots of times where street racers have killed people in these ad hoc drag races. Banzai racers have also had fatalities.

Gumball has 1 rally a year, and only been happening since 1999.

Most recent top fatalities from street racing:
WUSA9.com | Washington, DC | Street Racing Leads To Eight Fatalities

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Tech

puma doesn't seem to be afraid of putting their face on this event lol

this, btw, is an awesome paint/decal job (whichever it is)

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Cynthetiq

See for yourself

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Willravel

Cynth, I said "fatal crash". Last year's Gumball went from London to Istambul, and there was a fatal crash due to reckless driving. A 911 Turbo hit a Golf head on. It happened in the Republic of Macedonia, not on I5.

Cynthetiq

you stated
I'm stating that your dumb kids don't do it any better since they also result in fatalities.

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Willravel

No fatalities in the Milpitas area (the area I used to race) have ever resulted from street racing. The MPD tried to blame one on us last year, but it was discovered that the driver was within the speed limit and was obeying all traffic laws.

Did you miss "a bunch of dumb kids in the Bay Area"?

Cynthetiq

Yes, I did see that, but it's woefully wrong. But since you seem to think that the Bay Area doesn't have any fatalities from street racing:

I used to go to street races in the LA all the time. I know how dangerous they can be and I know all about the sweeps and crackdowns by the police. To say that it's not dangerous is ignorant at best. Accidents happen, even to professionals.

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Willravel

I knew Juan, he wasn't racing at the time.This was a rather huge deal a few years ago when it happened. I'd stopped racing by 2005, but a lot of my friends were there and he definitely wasn't racing. The problem was the cops talked to the people who couldn't get away and those people are generally first-timers. They may have thought he was racing because he was driving really fast, but people I know and trust were there and they gave me a pretty clear indication of what really happened.

Cynthetiq

so what happened will? Juan lived to start another race? The article didn't say he was racing, it said he was starting a race and hit by someone not racing.

that accounts for 1, and the other fatality?

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Willravel

Yeah, like I said, he wasn't racing. The crash was not a result of racing, it was a result of reckless driving. It was characterized as a crash due to racing in media for several weeks, which is why people were so pissed about it.

Cynthetiq

and the other?

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Willravel

What I understand is that Juan was starting the race and someone hit him, someone that wasn't racing. I don't know Tranquanillo Lopez or what the situation was with his car aside from the fact he wasn't racing.
So you understand the accident wasn't race related.

Cynthetiq

yes, he wasn't racing SOMEONE else was and he was starting the race. (based on the article.

the other fatality still exists... and here's yet another:
Maybe you knew Daniel Tobin also... and he wasn't street racing either. Just a SOCMOB.

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Willravel

Cynth, you're comparing apples to oranges with that one. "Street racing" is organized by the participants. It has spectators, it has someone starting the race. When two kids go 60 mph on Blossom Hill, they're not organized in any way. Since the GB3K is organized, wouldn't it make sense to compare it to another organized event?

Cynthetiq

No because Gumball 3000 is as organized as showing up at the starting line. After that there is little to no organization until you arrive at the destination. It's not like the Tour De France, Dakkar Rally, or even going up Pike's Peak on closed roads. Heck even at rally events spectators are injured or killed for that matter.

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Willravel

Ah, but who do you think was held responsible in the Republic of Macedonia crash last year? The driver and.... Gumball! The race was canceled by the organizers after the crash.

Cynthetiq

Right, but since they are driving on public roads and sucesptible to police officers etc. it isn't like they are on closed roads.

So again, they are just as much the same organization as any street races. Gumball is legal as long as they are driving speed limit.

But you're still neglecting your statement that the Bay Area racers (street and banzai) are safer, they have had fatalities.

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Willravel

Was the "Bay Area Race Guild" forced to shut down races after a crash? No. Was a spokesperson for Bay Area Racers quoted in media commenting on a crash? No. Do Bay Area Racers sell Bay Area Racers clothing? No.

Gumball does all of that and more. There's even a video game for Gumball.

You really should do some research (at least glance at the wiki page) before assuming you're right.

Cynthetiq

Okay, you're right will. Street racing is legal and they don't have fatalities, things I've shown via articles in the Bay Area. Because that is what you are saying... but hey. Good On ya'! You read up on wikipedia!

Jeez man, you can never ever ever ever be wrong, not even a little bit.

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Willravel

It's not my fault you can't make your case without resorting to red herrings (whether or not I actually knew Juan) and now strawmen (I said street racing was legal). My original point, that the GB3K is poorly organized and probably isn't something I'd participate in, stands.

If you'd like to talk about the Lambos or Astons in the GB3K, please go right ahead. I love cars, especially those of the exotic European persuasion.

Cynthetiq

Actually Will, I'm tired of this herring bullshit. I didn't mention you knowing Juan, you did.

YOU stated you knew some details about the street racing incident, because you're Willravel, the know-it-all-be-it-all TFP expert.

Yep, that statement still stands too, because I've proven that it's not true. But hey what do I know, I've never plagiarized anything, nor claimed to be something that I'm not.

Whatever Will, just whatever.

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