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Old 08-10-2008, 07:40 PM   #1 (permalink)
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The Gumball 3000 comes through sunny Southern California

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The Gumball 3000 comes through sunny Southern California
Posted Aug 10th 2008 7:58PM by Drew Phillips
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The Gumball 3000 started its 2008 tour this weekend, and we caught up with the rally in Huntington Beach, CA where the drivers stopped for a brunch and fashion show hosted by Lux5 Events at the Hilton Waterfront Beach Resort. The group of 120 cars started out in San Francisco on Saturday and will also makes stops in San Diego and Las Vegas. From there the tour jumps continents and heads to North Korea, eventually ending in Beijing to catch a live view of the Olympic games. Enjoy our gallery of high resolution photos below.

Gallery: 2008 Gumball 3000
This must have been amazing thing to see in LA today. I would love to take the opportunity to have seen all these cars. Check out the gallery. Some very very nice cars there. Too many to duplicate and post into here.
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Old 08-10-2008, 09:13 PM   #2 (permalink)
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If I ever become rich, I would love to do this race.

But North Korea? I don't ave a problem with the way they live there, but it's not high on my list of places to visit and take a expensive sports car that Kim may take.
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Old 08-10-2008, 09:18 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I would imagine there are a lot of interesting vehicles, but I'd never participate. Last year's fatal crash is symptomatic of poor planning. A bunch of dumb kids here in the Bay Area can organize street races where no one gets hurt with little more than a few minutes of planning. Why can't these snobs?
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Old 08-11-2008, 04:53 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I would imagine there are a lot of interesting vehicles, but I'd never participate. Last year's fatal crash is symptomatic of poor planning. A bunch of dumb kids here in the Bay Area can organize street races where no one gets hurt with little more than a few minutes of planning. Why can't these snobs?
WHAT!?!??!???! They are called ACCIDENTS for a reason.

There's lots of times where street racers have killed people in these ad hoc drag races. Banzai racers have also had fatalities.

Gumball has 1 rally a year, and only been happening since 1999.

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ILLEGAL RACING STATS
Consider the following stats, compiled from a variety of national and state transportation agencies, and it's easy to see the answer is to take it to the track.

In 2001, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) reported that police listed street racing as a factor in 135 fatal crashes. The total was up from 72 street-racing-related fatalities reported in 2000.
According to the California Office of Traffic Safety, more than 800 citations for illegal street racing were issued in 2001.
In San Diego, where the street racing problem has been termed "epidemic," 16 deaths and 31 injuries were directly related to illegal street racing in 2001. The city's attorney's office prosecuted 147 illegal street racing cases in 1999, 161 in 2000, and 290 in 2001.
In Florida in 2001, 7,216 citations were issued for racing on the highway.
In 1999, the Florida Department of Highway and Safety for Motor Vehicles reported 28 accidents related to illegal street racing, with 2 fatalities and 27 injuries. In 2000, the agency reported 39 racing accidents, with 1 fatality and 55 injuries. In 2002, there were 48 racing accidents, 1 fatality, and 60 injuries.
According to the NHTSA, motor vehicle accidents are the leading cause of death for people between the ages of 16 and 20.
The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety says 5,749 teens died in the United States from motor vehicle crash injuries in 1999.
Nationwide statistics show that 49 people are injured for every 1,000 who participate in illegal street racing.
As a result, city and state ordinances have been issued regarding illegal street racing. Though laws vary, here are some penalties faced by street racers:

You can be arrested and have your car impounded for 30 days.
If convicted of street racing or aiding and abetting a street race, you can be imprisoned for up to three months and fined up to $1,000. Spectators are subject to penalties as well.
Your driver's license can be revoked.
Your car insurance may be cancelled or the rates dramatically increased.
Cars in and around illegal street races are often issued equipment violations.
Most recent top fatalities from street racing:
WUSA9.com | Washington, DC | Street Racing Leads To Eight Fatalities
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Old 08-11-2008, 05:20 AM   #5 (permalink)
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puma doesn't seem to be afraid of putting their face on this event lol

this, btw, is an awesome paint/decal job (whichever it is)
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Old 08-11-2008, 08:24 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Witnesses Say Gumball Lambos Cause Trailer Crash On I-5, Video Seems To Show Otherwise
Is the mere sight of a bunch of Italian supercars sufficient to turn a once-orderly California freeway into a maelstrom of destruction? That was the SigAlert report on a jackknifed SUV/trailer combo on I-5 in Orange County yesterday. However, the video above taken from the in-car dash-cam of one of the Gumballers may prove otherwise. (Hat tip to Alex!) [Team Polizei]
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Old 08-11-2008, 09:10 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Cynth, I said "fatal crash". Last year's Gumball went from London to Istambul, and there was a fatal crash due to reckless driving. A 911 Turbo hit a Golf head on. It happened in the Republic of Macedonia, not on I5.
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Cynth, I said "fatal crash". Last year's Gumball went from London to Istambul, and there was a fatal crash due to reckless driving. A 911 Turbo hit a Golf head on. It happened in the Republic of Macedonia, not on I5.
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Last year's fatal crash is symptomatic of poor planning. A bunch of dumb kids here in the Bay Area can organize street races where no one gets hurt with little more than a few minutes of planning.
I'm stating that your dumb kids don't do it any better since they also result in fatalities.
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Old 08-11-2008, 09:28 AM   #9 (permalink)
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I'm stating that your dumb kids don't do it any better since they also result in fatalities.
No fatalities in the Milpitas area (the area I used to race) have ever resulted from street racing. The MPD tried to blame one on us last year, but it was discovered that the driver was within the speed limit and was obeying all traffic laws.

Did you miss "a bunch of dumb kids in the Bay Area"?
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Old 08-11-2008, 09:36 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Yes, I did see that, but it's woefully wrong. But since you seem to think that the Bay Area doesn't have any fatalities from street racing:

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SAN JOSE (KCBS) ? - Two young men apparently involved in street racing were killed early Saturday morning in two separate fatal accidents in San Jose.

The first accident happened at Capitol and Story roads just after midnight.

Witnesses told police that 20-year-old Tranquanillo Lopez of San Jose was racing another car when he lost control and crashed.

He was ejected from his vehicle and struck by another car that was not involved in the drag race, said San Jose Police spokesman Sgt. Nick Muyo.

Muyo told KCBS the driver of the vehicle that struck Lopez was arrested on felony hit-and-run charges.

Just before 2am, police responded to a traffic accident at Monterey Rd. and Live Oak Ave.

Police believe that 23-year-old Juan Moya of San Jose was acting as a race starter when he was hit by a car not involved in the race.

Police are investigating both accidents and have withheld the names of the suspect in each case.
I used to go to street races in the LA all the time. I know how dangerous they can be and I know all about the sweeps and crackdowns by the police. To say that it's not dangerous is ignorant at best. Accidents happen, even to professionals.
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Old 08-11-2008, 09:47 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I knew Juan, he wasn't racing at the time.This was a rather huge deal a few years ago when it happened. I'd stopped racing by 2005, but a lot of my friends were there and he definitely wasn't racing. The problem was the cops talked to the people who couldn't get away and those people are generally first-timers. They may have thought he was racing because he was driving really fast, but people I know and trust were there and they gave me a pretty clear indication of what really happened.
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I knew Juan, he wasn't racing at the time.This was a rather huge deal a few years ago when it happened. I'd stopped racing by 2005, but a lot of my friends were there and he definitely wasn't racing. The problem was the cops talked to the people who couldn't get away and those people are generally first-timers. They may have thought he was racing because he was driving really fast, but people I know and trust were there and they gave me a pretty clear indication of what really happened.
so what happened will? Juan lived to start another race? The article didn't say he was racing, it said he was starting a race and hit by someone not racing.

that accounts for 1, and the other fatality?
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Old 08-11-2008, 10:14 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Yeah, like I said, he wasn't racing. The crash was not a result of racing, it was a result of reckless driving. It was characterized as a crash due to racing in media for several weeks, which is why people were so pissed about it.
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and the other?
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Old 08-11-2008, 10:41 AM   #15 (permalink)
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What I understand is that Juan was starting the race and someone hit him, someone that wasn't racing. I don't know Tranquanillo Lopez or what the situation was with his car aside from the fact he wasn't racing.
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The article didn't say he was racing, it said he was starting a race and hit by someone not racing.
So you understand the accident wasn't race related.

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yes, he wasn't racing SOMEONE else was and he was starting the race. (based on the article.

the other fatality still exists... and here's yet another:
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Yet, the combination of speed, powerful cars and, sometimes, alcohol can transform youthful bravado into tragedy.

Early Sunday morning in San Jose, Daniel Emery Tobin, 19, was killed while apparently racing his 1986 black Ford Mustang against a 2001 black BMW 330CI driven by Kraig Amador, 21, of Mountain View. Witnesses reported that the cars were traveling at least 20 mph over the 40 mph speed limit on Blossom Hill Road when Tobin lost control and slammed into a pole, tearing the car in half and ejecting the teenager onto the roadway, said San Jose police spokesman Rubens Dalaison.
Maybe you knew Daniel Tobin also... and he wasn't street racing either. Just a SOCMOB.
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Old 08-11-2008, 11:26 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Cynth, you're comparing apples to oranges with that one. "Street racing" is organized by the participants. It has spectators, it has someone starting the race. When two kids go 60 mph on Blossom Hill, they're not organized in any way. Since the GB3K is organized, wouldn't it make sense to compare it to another organized event?
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No because Gumball 3000 is as organized as showing up at the starting line. After that there is little to no organization until you arrive at the destination. It's not like the Tour De France, Dakkar Rally, or even going up Pike's Peak on closed roads. Heck even at rally events spectators are injured or killed for that matter.
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Old 08-11-2008, 12:25 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Ah, but who do you think was held responsible in the Republic of Macedonia crash last year? The driver and.... Gumball! The race was canceled by the organizers after the crash.
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Right, but since they are driving on public roads and sucesptible to police officers etc. it isn't like they are on closed roads.

So again, they are just as much the same organization as any street races. Gumball is legal as long as they are driving speed limit.

But you're still neglecting your statement that the Bay Area racers (street and banzai) are safer, they have had fatalities.
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Right, but since they are driving on public roads and sucesptible to police officers etc. it isn't like they are on closed roads.

So again, they are just as much the same organization as any street races. Gumball is legal as long as they are driving speed limit.
Was the "Bay Area Race Guild" forced to shut down races after a crash? No. Was a spokesperson for Bay Area Racers quoted in media commenting on a crash? No. Do Bay Area Racers sell Bay Area Racers clothing? No.

Gumball does all of that and more. There's even a video game for Gumball.

You really should do some research (at least glance at the wiki page) before assuming you're right.
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Okay, you're right will. Street racing is legal and they don't have fatalities, things I've shown via articles in the Bay Area. Because that is what you are saying... but hey. Good On ya'! You read up on wikipedia!

Jeez man, you can never ever ever ever be wrong, not even a little bit.
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Old 08-11-2008, 07:00 PM   #23 (permalink)
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It's not my fault you can't make your case without resorting to red herrings (whether or not I actually knew Juan) and now strawmen (I said street racing was legal). My original point, that the GB3K is poorly organized and probably isn't something I'd participate in, stands.

If you'd like to talk about the Lambos or Astons in the GB3K, please go right ahead. I love cars, especially those of the exotic European persuasion.
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Actually Will, I'm tired of this herring bullshit. I didn't mention you knowing Juan, you did.

YOU stated you knew some details about the street racing incident, because you're Willravel, the know-it-all-be-it-all TFP expert.

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Yep, that statement still stands too, because I've proven that it's not true. But hey what do I know, I've never plagiarized anything, nor claimed to be something that I'm not.

Whatever Will, just whatever.
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