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Manic_Skafe · 07-12-2004, 09:49 AM

So I've been suspended from my job for what I believed was the direct result of being implicated in another person's confession. My ex manager did some fake store returns and raked in about $20,000 n a 7 month period - or so they say. In her confession they told her to write exactly what they wanted or else face prosecution to the fullest extent of the law. She wrote the confession and was arrested anyway...

Now me and this other guy were implicated in her confession. He just finished being intterogated and I was told by him that they had all the things that we were doing recorded on tape - now there were multiple people in on what we were doing and so far we were the only one's suspended. So I'm questioning the validity of what he told me as people often lie if it'll cut them some deal.

Now I've done my fair share of things that weren't supposed to be done there and I should be terminated because of that but of course - that's not what I want. Now I've got to go and speak to these same people and get interrogated just like the other guy. I'm considering refuting all the allogations with a simple "to my knowledge, I've never done that " until I see some actual proof. I'm also considering going on with the interrogation but letting the gentlemen know that I'm quiting before any of it starts. I could also tell them that I was indirectly and directly pressured to do what I had to do by people who no longer work there and the my manager.

I couldn't care less about the job I'd just like not to mess up my track recorded and/or be arrested. I could just agree with whatever they have to say just like the other guy who was implicated did but he's got to pay a fine and...

What do you think the best course of action is?

(and yet again I'm slapping myself in the face for not having the foresight to see the inevitable consequences of my own actions)

Averett · 07-12-2004, 10:15 AM

Well if you fucked up you should be man enough to face the music.

wonderwench · 07-12-2004, 10:18 AM

Lying will only make the situation worse. Once you start lying, you will be faced with manufacturing additional lies to support the original one.

Is that what you want to do with your life?

SinisterMotives · 07-12-2004, 10:34 AM

"Suspension" is the same thing as termination in my book. I'd be out looking for another job instead of worrying about a situation that no longer offers any tactical or strategic advantage. You apparently screwed yourself there, and you know you did wrong and don't plan to do it again. If they want you to pay a fine, just tell them to take it out of whatever pay you have coming.

Since you don't care about the job anyway, why go back and play their game? If they're going to prosecute you, they'll do it anyway, regardless of whether you play along. I wouldn't sign a blank confession even if I was somehow involved. I'd write out everything that happened exactly the way I saw it, and I'd have an attorney present during the interrogation to make sure I didn't incriminate myself.

losthellhound · 07-12-2004, 10:45 AM

Dude.. You just pretty much confessed HERE!

Don't lie. Don't candy coat it, tell all the truth and just face whats coming

maleficent · 07-12-2004, 10:51 AM

If you did something, confess to it. Otherwise the suspiscion will follow you thru out your working life.

You screwed up, own up to it.

and the big one.. Learn from it...

I hope the ex-manager realizes that 20K is NOT worth throwing away a career on....

Journeyman · 07-12-2004, 11:24 AM

Quit and get a lawyer. Try to get another job soon before word gets around about this or that, unless you wanna move to another state to work in the same field.

st33lr4t · 07-12-2004, 11:35 AM

not knowing the details makes this a little hard. i would fess up to the things that you did and plead ignorance to the actions of the others despite the fact that you knew what they were doing. realise that they know what the deal is and fess up to the things they all ready know.

also make sure you know what you are going to say before you go in there. go through the story a million times in your head so you can anticipate what questions they are going to ask you. you shouldnt have to think when you respond to one of their questions. pay attention to what they are asking you and make sure you tell the SAME story each time down to the last detail.

preparation is key. even if you are guilty be confident.

good luck and stop doing stupid things!

Manic_Skafe · 07-12-2004, 11:50 AM

Far too many things like this have happened for me not to have learned that I have to take full responsibilty for my actions regardless of how "harmless" my actions appear to be. I was getting screwed but I should've quit and now I'm in this situation.

However, laying down and taking it just isn't my style. I'd much rather take the lesson as learned and move on a comfortably as possible.

Now since it's so much money I don't think the optioin I could take is just to skip the interrigation - that'd be the move of someone who is (just as) guilty (as me). I'm pretty sure they don't have any proof to support the implication so I might be able to get out of this...

I'll face the music and attempt to save face at the same time. This whole experience is more than enough for me to straighten up and fly right - I'd just like to hope that I don't have to spend years making up for the same mistake.

Thanks for the input.

07-12-2004, 04:00 PM

You have confessed to stealing from the company? I assume in your first post so just accept it is over and try to keep yourself out of jail. Quit immediatly. I would refuse to make any comments what so ever to the company and the police until you are arrested (if it comes to that) at that point obtain a lawyer and say nothing about the allogations until it goes to trial.

Manic_Skafe · 07-12-2004, 07:01 PM

Well I just got back from having to make my statment and answer the questions regarding the manner and it went much better than I could've hoped. I was told that it was known that I had stolen things (sorry for leaving out the details before - I was busy) and was guilty enough for not reporting others for doing the same thing. I confessed to having stolen a much smaller number than what I actually took and got off $300 poorer and a slapped wrist. Due to certain circumstances I might even come out of this with a job.

All in all, I couldn't be more greatful that this situation amounted to nothing more than it did. I could've faced jail time and a number of other things just because the amount of money stolen was so high.

I'll take this experience as a lesson learned and testament that regardless of how much I think of learned - the fact that I didn't care to see the consequences of my own actions is proof enough that I've got a lot to learn.

Wish me luck.

Cynthetiq · 07-12-2004, 07:16 PM

good luck.

remember .... DON'T SHIT WHERE YOU EAT!

bing bing · 07-12-2004, 11:10 PM

Interesting thread. Now that it's all taken care of, i wont offer any advice. But i'm glad you got out of the situation without getting arrested.

You learn more from the near misses more than you do the collisions.

Dawson70 · 07-29-2004, 03:00 PM

Saddle your horse and ride away........fast!

Ok ok I just said what every one was already thinking anyways.

07-12-2004, 09:49 AM	#1 (permalink)
Manic_Skafe More Than You Expect Location: Queens	Time To Face The Music So I've been suspended from my job for what I believed was the direct result of being implicated in another person's confession. My ex manager did some fake store returns and raked in about $20,000 n a 7 month period - or so they say. In her confession they told her to write exactly what they wanted or else face prosecution to the fullest extent of the law. She wrote the confession and was arrested anyway... Now me and this other guy were implicated in her confession. He just finished being intterogated and I was told by him that they had all the things that we were doing recorded on tape - now there were multiple people in on what we were doing and so far we were the only one's suspended. So I'm questioning the validity of what he told me as people often lie if it'll cut them some deal. Now I've done my fair share of things that weren't supposed to be done there and I should be terminated because of that but of course - that's not what I want. Now I've got to go and speak to these same people and get interrogated just like the other guy. I'm considering refuting all the allogations with a simple "to my knowledge, I've never done that " until I see some actual proof. I'm also considering going on with the interrogation but letting the gentlemen know that I'm quiting before any of it starts. I could also tell them that I was indirectly and directly pressured to do what I had to do by people who no longer work there and the my manager. I couldn't care less about the job I'd just like not to mess up my track recorded and/or be arrested. I could just agree with whatever they have to say just like the other guy who was implicated did but he's got to pay a fine and... What do you think the best course of action is? (and yet again I'm slapping myself in the face for not having the foresight to see the inevitable consequences of my own actions) __________________ "Porn is a zoo of exotic animals that becomes boring upon ownership." -Nersesian Last edited by Manic_Skafe; 07-12-2004 at 09:53 AM..

07-12-2004, 10:15 AM	#2 (permalink)
Averett Is In Love Location: I'm workin' on it	Well if you fucked up you should be man enough to face the music. __________________ Absence is to love what wind is to fire. It extinguishes the small, it enkindles the great.

07-12-2004, 10:45 AM	#5 (permalink)
losthellhound Thats MR. Muffin Face now Location: Everywhere work sends me	Dude.. You just pretty much confessed HERE! Don't lie. Don't candy coat it, tell all the truth and just face whats coming __________________ "Life is possible only with illusions. And so, the question for the science of mental health must become an absolutely new and revolutionary one, yet one that reflects the essence of the human condition: On what level of illusion does one live?" -- Ernest Becker, The Denial of Death

07-12-2004, 10:51 AM	#6 (permalink)
maleficent Junkie Moderator Emeritus Location: Chicago	If you did something, confess to it. Otherwise the suspiscion will follow you thru out your working life. You screwed up, own up to it. and the big one.. Learn from it... I hope the ex-manager realizes that 20K is NOT worth throwing away a career on.... __________________ Free your heart from hatred. Free your mind from worries. Live simply. Give more. Expect less.

07-12-2004, 11:50 AM	#9 (permalink)
Manic_Skafe More Than You Expect Location: Queens	Far too many things like this have happened for me not to have learned that I have to take full responsibilty for my actions regardless of how "harmless" my actions appear to be. I was getting screwed but I should've quit and now I'm in this situation. However, laying down and taking it just isn't my style. I'd much rather take the lesson as learned and move on a comfortably as possible. Now since it's so much money I don't think the optioin I could take is just to skip the interrigation - that'd be the move of someone who is (just as) guilty (as me). I'm pretty sure they don't have any proof to support the implication so I might be able to get out of this... I'll face the music and attempt to save face at the same time. This whole experience is more than enough for me to straighten up and fly right - I'd just like to hope that I don't have to spend years making up for the same mistake. Thanks for the input. __________________ "Porn is a zoo of exotic animals that becomes boring upon ownership." -Nersesian

07-12-2004, 10:18 AM	#3 (permalink)
wonderwench Banned	Lying will only make the situation worse. Once you start lying, you will be faced with manufacturing additional lies to support the original one. Is that what you want to do with your life?

07-12-2004, 10:34 AM	#4 (permalink)
SinisterMotives Junkie	"Suspension" is the same thing as termination in my book. I'd be out looking for another job instead of worrying about a situation that no longer offers any tactical or strategic advantage. You apparently screwed yourself there, and you know you did wrong and don't plan to do it again. If they want you to pay a fine, just tell them to take it out of whatever pay you have coming. Since you don't care about the job anyway, why go back and play their game? If they're going to prosecute you, they'll do it anyway, regardless of whether you play along. I wouldn't sign a blank confession even if I was somehow involved. I'd write out everything that happened exactly the way I saw it, and I'd have an attorney present during the interrogation to make sure I didn't incriminate myself.

07-12-2004, 11:24 AM	#7 (permalink)
Journeyman Like John Goodman, but not. Location: SFBA, California	Quit and get a lawyer. Try to get another job soon before word gets around about this or that, unless you wanna move to another state to work in the same field.

07-12-2004, 11:35 AM	#8 (permalink)
st33lr4t Psycho Location: Dallas, Tx	not knowing the details makes this a little hard. i would fess up to the things that you did and plead ignorance to the actions of the others despite the fact that you knew what they were doing. realise that they know what the deal is and fess up to the things they all ready know. also make sure you know what you are going to say before you go in there. go through the story a million times in your head so you can anticipate what questions they are going to ask you. you shouldnt have to think when you respond to one of their questions. pay attention to what they are asking you and make sure you tell the SAME story each time down to the last detail. preparation is key. even if you are guilty be confident. good luck and stop doing stupid things!

07-12-2004, 04:00 PM	#10 (permalink)
NotMinus Guest	You have confessed to stealing from the company? I assume in your first post so just accept it is over and try to keep yourself out of jail. Quit immediatly. I would refuse to make any comments what so ever to the company and the police until you are arrested (if it comes to that) at that point obtain a lawyer and say nothing about the allogations until it goes to trial.

07-12-2004, 07:01 PM	#11 (permalink)
Manic_Skafe More Than You Expect Location: Queens	Well I just got back from having to make my statment and answer the questions regarding the manner and it went much better than I could've hoped. I was told that it was known that I had stolen things (sorry for leaving out the details before - I was busy) and was guilty enough for not reporting others for doing the same thing. I confessed to having stolen a much smaller number than what I actually took and got off $300 poorer and a slapped wrist. Due to certain circumstances I might even come out of this with a job. All in all, I couldn't be more greatful that this situation amounted to nothing more than it did. I could've faced jail time and a number of other things just because the amount of money stolen was so high. I'll take this experience as a lesson learned and testament that regardless of how much I think of learned - the fact that I didn't care to see the consequences of my own actions is proof enough that I've got a lot to learn. Wish me luck. __________________ "Porn is a zoo of exotic animals that becomes boring upon ownership." -Nersesian Last edited by Manic_Skafe; 07-12-2004 at 07:05 PM..

07-12-2004, 07:16 PM	#12 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Location: Manhattan, NY	good luck. remember .... DON'T SHIT WHERE YOU EAT! __________________ I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not. What's the best nation in the world? DO-NATION!

07-12-2004, 11:10 PM	#13 (permalink)
bing bing Addict Location: Melbourne, Australia	Interesting thread. Now that it's all taken care of, i wont offer any advice. But i'm glad you got out of the situation without getting arrested. You learn more from the near misses more than you do the collisions.

07-29-2004, 03:00 PM	#14 (permalink)
Dawson70 Here to Help My Fellow TFP'er Location: All over the Net....(ok Wisconsin)	Saddle your horse and ride away........fast! Ok ok I just said what every one was already thinking anyways. __________________ "I Finally Finished My Goal....You Can Too! Yippie Ki Ya...