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Old 02-10-2004, 07:52 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Starting Atkins next week...

so I bit the bullet and bought the Atkins book, been reading it for the last few nights. I'm planning to start Phase 1 at the beginning of next week. Any Atkins vets have any helpful advice, or just want to lend support? If anybody else is starting or has just started, give me a shout..
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Old 02-10-2004, 10:00 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Yeah. Avoid caffeine and Nutrasweet, as they've been known to slow the weight loss. If you get the munchies, bring something from work, because vending machines almost never, ever have anything Atkins-friendly. Your friends are roasted almonds and sunflower seeds, however not all are made equal. Planters-brand sunflower seeds have the lowest net carbs, just one per serving. Trader Joe's sells roasted non pareil almonds that also have one net carb. Most other brands don't have as much fiber.

Don't forget to drink the required amount of water. Soda pop, coffee, tea, beer, juice and wine do not count toward this total. If you do not drink enough water, you will likely suffer from mild wooziness and fatigue like many others who didn't drink enough water and ended up badmouthing the diet to their friends.

If you are having trouble making tasty eggs, I recommend a little low-sodium soy sauce and garlic powder to taste.

The Atkins-brand food products are generally to be avoided as they are hilariously overpriced. Don't let yourself rely on low-carb simulations of your favorite snacks.

It gets easier over time, and the weight loss is an excellent motivation to keep going. In time, you can have real, bonafide sandwiches again, eat some chips, a cookie every once in a while, have a little rice on the side. But pasta must always be generally avoided from this point on. It seems to pack more carbs per ounce than any other food staple in the world, even white rice. Eventually, you'll find that you simply don't hunger for bad snacks like cookies, potato chips, crackers and the like, mostly because you simply won't be hungry as often.
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Old 02-10-2004, 11:27 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Atkins works for me. Here are some things that I have found to be helpful:

Make sure you know all the FAQ from (especially the INDUCTION phase):

http://atkins.com/howto/index.html

People have some very bad misconceptions about Atkins. Some think that all there is in the world is to bulk up. This is not a diet for people that want to build big muscles or young people that have loads of energy and time for the gym. People use diets for different reasons, everyone has their own goals. If your goal is weight loss and understanding how foods effect you, Atkins may work well for you. Please read this site for newbie info:

http://www.atkinsdietbulletinboard.com/index.php

You must learn the entire book cover to cover. Pieces left out will cause health problems, cramps in the middle of the night, slow or no progress or possibly worse. See a Dr if you have any questions about your own personal health.

Things that I learned:

1) Take your supplements. I also take fish oil.

2) Fiber, I use psylum husks to stay regular.

3) I eat almost all of my 20 grams in veggies. I tried hogging out on cheese and sour cream, but it doesn't make sense.

4) Water gain will come back when you are off the diet.

5) Induction has very limited choices. Don't repeat DO NOT allow people to tell you that you can use the Atkins products while in induction.

6) Water, and more water.

7) Use the clean induction to analize your health. Look for alergies that go away, pains and aches that fade. When you add the foods back in watch for what causes them.

8) Add carbs back in SLOWLY. You will get very tired if you go out and have a huge carb dinner.

9) Look for hidden carbs. Cough drops etc will stop you from entering ketosis. Use keto sticks to verify that you are in ketosis. Read the forums for tips on making your breath more pleasant.

10) I weigh every day in the AM after peeing. I chart it and use it as a motivator. There are times that you will be losing inches but not pounds (especially if you are exercising) so watch your pant size or measure yourself.

I know that I have all done well on Atkins. My weight gain is from stopping smoking and once off seems to stay off.

You will find that some people will support you while on Atkins and some just don't "get it". They have no comprehension of your choice and will only provide negative feedback. I only wish they knew where their BACK button is.

Feel free to PM me with any questions.
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Old 02-11-2004, 05:30 AM   #5 (permalink)
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do it clean. dont cheat...im looseing about 6lbs a week right now. I am down about 50 from thanksgiving when i started. do everything above. its not hard really, just get in the new mindset and stay there. read the book, read the website...dont go in uneducated, its the worst thing you can do.

im doing it, staying on induction now for almost 3 months and plan to stay longer. make sure you are clean, dont cheat, and EXERCISE
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Old 02-11-2004, 05:31 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Sure, Atkins does work.
But keep in mind that this 'diet' is not healthy for you.

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You will find that some people will support you while on Atkins and some just don't "get it". They have no comprehension of your choice and will only provide negative feedback. I only wish they knew where their BACK button is.
So people that don't get it (I guess that would include me) have no knowledge of healthy eating habits? Lose the weight for the sake of having higher heart disease? For increased risk of heart attack? No thanks.
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Old 02-11-2004, 07:17 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Atkins is nice if you're a good 50+ lbs over weight, too self concious to do something about it by going to a gym (or just think a regular diet is too hard). Mostly, if you just stick to it and make sure you exercise you will indeed lose weight.

Also, hotdogs in a bowl of mixed ketchup/mustard, chicken breast, meatloaf, steak and A1, diet softdrinks, sliced roast beef. It's what I ate when I did it a few years back.
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Old 02-11-2004, 09:14 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Atkins is for severly obese people who cannot work out normally. Aside from that, don't do it. I am going to vacate this thread before the atkins fans start throwing stones at me.
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Old 02-11-2004, 01:47 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Also, hotdogs in a bowl of mixed ketchup/mustard, chicken breast, meatloaf, steak and A1, diet softdrinks, sliced roast beef. It's what I ate when I did it a few years back.
That made me feel funny when I read it. All at the same time?
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Old 02-11-2004, 04:20 PM   #10 (permalink)
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lol well cant have ketchup...cant have meatloaf, a1 or diet softdrinks....sugar in all of them...meatloaf with its crackers, and nutrasweet is known to slow your loss


i am severly obese, but not inactive. last time i tried the typcial low fat low calorie diet along with heavy gym usage. that was almost 6+months of that....in less than 3 months im 4 holes below where i was doing that on my belt. Im looseing almost a pound a day living the atkins way and doing pretty heavy gym workouts.

atkins is not unhealthy.... show ONE documented case where someone FOLLOWING ATKINS CORRECTLY had any problems. there are none. there are tons of problems when people do what they think atkins is...no carb...thats bad. But atkins is controled carbs.

its not a new thing or a fad. its over 30 years old now. its just now gaining some ground from some celebs getting mass media while doing it. so its getting popular and spreading like wild fire.

tell me whats so healthy about eating 50 pounds of sugar and flour products a week? cause most all low fat low calorie diets recomend pasta. which is overly refined neturent defficent food. im eating the same thing my grand parents were eating, all of them were quite healthy lived a long proud life and were quite slim. only in todays world of overly processed "fast" foods are we turning into sloths and slobs.

i have been far from inactive for most of my life....but always over weight. this is working like nothing else ever has. i feel great, tons of energy....and by all accounts of health officals....very very healthy........not bout to keel over from this mythical "increase in heart problems" my blood work has never been cleaner...as with all the people i know that are doing Atkins as well.

Just remember....once you start this, you need to be commited to stick with it for most the rest of your life. its not a quick fix to get those 20 pounds off. its a way of life/way of eating



yes my spelling sucks....very badly

time for my very unhealthy big glass of water, pork chops and brocolli for supper
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Old 02-11-2004, 04:46 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Eat right + exercise and fuck atkins, thats my $.02... but what do I know
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Old 02-11-2004, 05:06 PM   #12 (permalink)
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yeah what do you know? I started this thread for some advice, not to debate the relative merits of various weight loss programs. I can respect that you don't like Atkins, you've made it abundantly clear...but the more you prattle on in threads where the debate isn't even topic, the more you start to sound like background noise. I mean c'mon, give it a rest already. Being antagonistic for it's own sake is juvenile.
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Old 02-11-2004, 07:54 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Mandalor - You can lose weight on Atkins. If I can help PM me or ask a specific question in a new thread. This thread is not helping you. My apologies.

To those of you that do not understand the diet. Please learn it before contributing your negative thoughts to a members thread.

If you don't approve, thats fine. Start an "Atkins is Unhealthy" thread so you can show your vast knowlege of the diet. Remember to be informed as Atkins fans have huge caches of stones.
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Old 02-11-2004, 08:22 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I only recommend this diet to people who are committed to it. Do not go on the Adkins diet if you only need to lose 10lbs. or less? Anyway, good luck and try working out if you can because it is the best way to lose weight and keep it off.
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Old 02-12-2004, 03:41 AM   #16 (permalink)
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I'm probably not the person who needs to do Atkins. I'm 30 years old, 5'7" and weighed 185 lbs back on January 1st. Not fat, but I've been a lot less active since getting out of college. As a result, I had a bit of a gut. I've been on Atkins for a month now, (induction or very close to it the whole time) and I now weigh 165. 20 pounds in a month. Not too shabby.

I suppose I should say WHY I went on atkins in the first place.
I quit smoking almost 4 years ago, and quit at the drop of a hat. I was mentally ready to quit and found myself to have no withdrawl symptoms and very few cravings. 3 days After I had my last cigarette, I decided to cut out soda, more to get off of caffeine than to cut the sugar. I figured if I was goint to feel like shit from quitting smoking, I might as well Feel like shit from caffeine withdrawl as well. The only side effect of that was that by the second day off of caffeine I developed a wicked headache. However, I took two Aleve, went to sleep and woke up with the headache gone. So in one fell swoop I was off of Caffeine and cigarettes. Somehow I felt like it was WAY too easy.

So this year I decided to REALLY test my willpower. I decided to see if I could give up beer for a month. (I work in a bar, I LOVE beer, and drink about 3 or 4 Guinness a night, so this was going to be no easy task.) Once I had my plan in my head, I figured that since I was going to deprive myself of beer, I might as well try atkins and lose the love handles as well. About a week into the no beer thing, i realized that I really didn't care for the taste of Gin and seltzers so i just decided to give up drinking altogether for the month.

So that's WHY I did it. I also plan to keep on it for another month or so untill it gets warm enough here in Wisconsin to start excercising outside. Then I plan to start incorproating more carbs back into my diet in the form of breads and grains. At this point all the carbs are from vegetables.
Now for some tips and what you can expect.

If you drink, I reccomend you go completely dry, at least for a while, and definitely during the induction phase. Incorporate red wine after a while if you must but Alcohol inhibits the body's ability to burn fat, so stay away completely at first. You'll feel better plus the alcohol that you can/could drink (Vodka or Gin) is just empty calories anyway.

Sams club is your friend. I went and spent about $100 on food to last me through the month. Bags of frozen chicken breasts, chicken patties, burger patties, hot dogs, Pork chops, cold cuts, frozen salmon filets, cheese, eggs and vegetables. Not to mention little deli sausage sticks, which are great to snack on. Avoid Buying anything with breading. Having enough food to go on all month, (Well, buy the eggs as you use them, ) was a great way to motivate myself through the month.

A George Forman Grill is the best invention ever. Prior to starting this, I used our grill maybe 3 times a year. Now I use it practically every day. The small ones cost about $20 and they are perfect for preparing all those frozen foods that you stock up on in the beginning. Yeah yeah they're more of a fryer than a grill but they're still great.

The first 4 or five days are the worst. Normally at a meal one would eat a piece of meat, a helping of potatoes, some vegetables, salad and dessert. Now all you're eating is the meat. What I'm saying is if you imagine a full plate as what you used to eat, get used to eating 1/4 of the food you used to. It's during the first week that you feel the hungriest, because the standard carbs as fuel are gone. Your body is simply adjusting. Also the quick initial weight loss many experience is because you're simply eating less food. And no matter how much you do eat, you never really feel satisfied, at least at first.
Thankfully though, this doesn't last. After about a week and a half the constant hunger subsided and I felt fine and had plenty of energy eating one small meal a day.

Another benefit to this diet is that you VERY quickly realize just how much crap you're used to eating, Processed junk food and whatnot. You'll find yourself craving the weirdest things at the wierdest times, not unlike being pregnant, so I understand. The only difference is that you can't have any of the stuff you have those sudden cravings for. Which, for the most part is a good thing. Even if you're in shape in the first place, that stuff isn't very good for you anyway. You're better off without it.

After about 1-2 weeks your breath will start to STINK. For some reason, that means it's working. I'll leave the science out of it. Can't smell your own breath? Lick the back of your hand, then smell that. Yeah, it's pretty gross. Be sure to brush twice a day and use mouthwash. Your S.O. will thank you for it.

You WILL get sick of certain foods really fast. The key is variety and also flavor. Eggs and beef usually come first. Hot sauce, (if that's your thing) worked wonders for me. I also made up a spice blend that was great on all those chicken patties and burgers. Swiss cheese melted on hotdogs tasts great, and don't forget about hollandaise sauce. MMM mmm! Chicken cordon bleu, salmon oscar, Spinach stuffed pork loin, all delicious.

Take a multi vitamin, steam your vegetables (to keep the vitamins in) ,take fiber in one form or another. And get as much excersise as you can, even if it's just a walk around the block.

Well that about all I have to say on the subject. If you're still reading, color me impressed.

I will end with this: I made it a month and a few days not having any beer. I went to a friends party and ended my self imposed beer exile, drinking 3 guinness, as well as partaking in some chips & dip, and a large piece of birthday cake. (Bread AND sugar all in one!! What more could one ask for???) and ice cream.
And surprise surprise, guess what?
I felt like shit the next day.
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Old 02-12-2004, 03:59 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Atkins is for severly obese people who cannot work out normally. Aside from that, don't do it. I am going to vacate this thread before the atkins fans start throwing stones at me.
Yeah, well technically 50+ pounds overweight is considered severely obese. That's like 40ish %body fat, I think 25+ is considered obese.
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Old 02-12-2004, 01:16 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Severely obese people are already at a high risk of heart disease. Jumping into a diet that cuts carbs but allows you to eat lots of fat isn't a healthy choice, it's an apperance choice. If your more concerned over your apperance right now, and are not worried about the results later, then do it.

As far as "documents" on Atkins hurting anyone...maybe not now, but heart problems will certainly come. When they do, people wont be realize that a diet they did years ago could have long term effects.

It's about calories, not carbs. You take in more calories then you burn a day...you end up with stored fat. You take in less calories then what you burn, you lose fat, thus weight. Carbs are not the enemy. Carbs are the bodies natural fuel source. When your body runs out of carbs for fuel it turns to your stored fat reserves. Eating less carbs at the right times, will help you lose weight in a more healthy way. Not to mention you get all of your natural nutrients, instead of having to take lots of pills.

Your body does NOT react well to mass loss and gains, so if you do this, I would consider getting to your goal, and then getting back on a better balanced diet.

Only adice I can give from a trainer point of view, if your sold on Atkins is, work out...don't just be like alot of people i have seen who do the diet but dont exercise. This will not only help you tone and look better (instead of losing fat with no tone), but exercise will also help reduce the clogged arteries you "might" end up with from the fat foods.

I can only stress this this is not a very good long term deal. Get your results, and get back to a healthy diet.

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scansinboy - nice to hear someone else took the time to post their successes and learnings.

I craved Rice Crispies.

When you are in ketosis your breath smells bad. It is a sign that your body is burning fat for fuel.

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Amen.

It's VERY unfortunate that Mr. Atkins himself died and not his "diet". Diet's simply don't work and while this one may promote weight loss in the short term I believe that the risks associated with it are much higher than the extra pounds you might otherwise carry.

Paying careful attention to the quality of the nutrition that you CHOOSE to put into your body, on the other hand, has worked, does work, and will always work. Eat smaller portions of high quality protein, complex carbohydrates, and drink water on a more frequent basis.

The simple formula of eat less, exercise more works but it's also the quality of what you eat that matters.

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Old 02-18-2004, 09:48 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Hoo boy, more Atkins debating! Well have no fear, to paraphrase the Bard, "I come not to bury Atkins but to praise him." A little over two years ago I weighed two hundred pounds at a towering five foot six. I was round. Rotund. Fat. No muscle mass to speak of, just fat. Man, I would sweat when I ate I was so out of shape. I was tired all the time and always felt a little sick. When I started to develop man-boobs I drew the line! Oh no. I was not going to be that guy! I bought the Atkins book, read it cover to cover and followed it religiously. As others have said, at first it was tough. I LOVE Guinness and as part of the program I gave up beer. I completly quit going to the pub. That and giving up pizza were a killer. At first I ate a lot of red-meat, bacon, that sort of thing but I grew tired of that and switched to more chicken and fish meals with the red meats in moderation. Initially I was ravenous but after a few weeks I rarely felt really hungry. My portions grew smaller and I always felt satisfied. I incorporated exercise into my diet (a must!). I started slow, walking for thirty minutes a day at a brisk pace. That quickly became and hour then an hour and a half. I bought a used Soloflex and started weight training in the evenings. I tried to incorporate some sort of movemen/activity into everything I did to keep the metabolism up. Long story short, I lost forty eight pounds of fat in eight weeks and put on muscle as well. I went from a forty inch waist to a thiryty one inch waist. I had to buy all new clothes and it was great! I've been on Atkins for two years now (the maintenance diet) and am in great shape. I just had a full physical including blood work and my doctor tells me my cholesterol, etc are all at perfectly healthy levels. Some people don't like Atkins, I can live with that. Hopefully those that knock it have at least read the book and are informed about the ideas behind the diet. If you're going to argue against something at least know both sides. Atkins worked and is working for me. If you try it and it works for you, good for you too!
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Old 02-18-2004, 09:10 PM   #22 (permalink)
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StephenSa - congrats on your progress, thanks for posting. With your results it is obvious that you "Get It".

What is your current carb intake on maintenance?

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StephenSa and scansinboy, I'd also like to thank you for sharing your stories, and thanks to bt8624 for adding the opposing point of view with civility. Too often the discussion degenerates into bickering over factoids.

Atkins has worked for me as well. I was 5'7" and over 200 pounds at one point. My doctor told me I was pre-diabetic. I wasn't an overeater during meals, but I snacked too much on chips and crackers, and drank fruit juice and regularly-sweetened soda pop habitually. I had several slices of toast or bread with dinner, and often had desserts like ice cream and pie. And I did not exercise. So over time, I eventually got mighty hefty.

One day I went over to atkins.com, out of curiosity. My interest was piqued, so I went to the bookstore and bought a copy of the book. I do NOT recommend starting the diet without reading the book cover to cover.

I lost twenty pounds in one month. It just slid off astonishingly. I was hooked. Now I weigh as much as I did as a senior in high school, which was seven years ago now. It was like going back in time. And I've kept the weight off by avoiding pasta, sugary drinks, fruit juice, carby snacks, and the other usual suspects.

Now, I find that carb snacking was a combination of habit and the body's seemingly bottomless appetite for that type of energy. I think it's the Lay's-brand potato chip product with this tag line: "You can't eat just one!" I had no idea how right they were until I looked back on my old self. Eating carbs just makes you want more carbs. Unfortunately, carbs take a long time to burn compared to fat, and fat won't burn until the carbs have been exhausted.

And yet here we are with grains at the base of the food pyramid. It seems no more accurate now than the "Four Food Groups" arrangement that people my age were taught in grade school.
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Grains and such are okay, complex carbs you need. Notice how the sugars are up top though.
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Atkins is for severly obese people who cannot work out normally. Aside from that, don't do it. I am going to vacate this thread before the atkins fans start throwing stones at me.
I agree. Too many negatives to Atkins to mention. Be very careful and use common sense. If you are so obese you can't lift weights and run, it may be ok. Other than that, does a diet loaded with fatty food and cholesterol really sound like it is a good thing?
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But sir, Ketosis fixes everything. With magic.
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To answer Boo, I usually eat between 50 and 100 grams of carbs daily. Only complex carbs though, green vegetables and the like. I completely avoid sugar and foods with a high glycemic index. Usually the level is closer to 50 but on days when I'm more active I'll have a bit more.
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Any Atkins vets have any helpful advice, or just want to lend support?
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But sir, Ketosis fixes everything. With magic.
I'm sorry, did I miss the "helpful" part of your post, Phaenx?
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Old 02-19-2004, 12:50 PM   #29 (permalink)
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There are many studies that show that Atkins cuts cholesterol, lowers blood pressure and stabilizes blood sugar levels. Even experts who conducted the tests solely to disprove the diet had to fess up to reality. Atkins is NOT as bad as it sounds. So going on about heart disease and this and that is irrelevant. That's not what happens.

What IS bad about it is the lack of nutrients you get from only veggies and fruits.

I do an Atkins variation, called Cave Man. I eat one fruit everyday directly before my workout, so as to not spike my blood sugar for too long a period.

Then I eat 40-60 grams of carbs through veggies everyday. 40-60 grams in veggies is actually quite a bit, you'd be shocked. Especially if you try to stretch your mileage with Asparagus, Bell Peppers, etc.

The rest is protein. Good protein. Not hotdogs, sausages, or a lot of cheese (I do eat cheese). Beef, chicken, pork, lots of fish like Salmon, Tuna, Mahi Mahi. Oh MAN. That's some good stuff.

I avoid breads and pastas all together. Any food that has to be "enriched" to be healthy is NOT a food I eat.

I lose about 4-6 lbs a week on this, depending on how hard I'm working out. 4 lbs if not at all, 6 if I go 4 days. So I'm a gymaholic, it's usually six. I've been trying to stabilize it back to 3-4, but I can't see to eat enough. I'm working on that.

The whole point is, its ABSOLUTELY about quality of diet. Nutrient dense foods, if you stick to them, you'll lose weight. I guaran-damn-tee it.
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Old 02-19-2004, 08:46 PM   #30 (permalink)
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I think its called Neanderthin.

http://www.neanderthin.com/

read the FAQ it's interesting even entertaining.

You ask: How is this helpful?

I say: Knowlege is power. This diet is relatively close to Atkins and some ideas may help you to attain your goals. You may find it easier to swap diets after 2 weeks to change foods and continue losing.
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Old 02-20-2004, 06:56 AM   #31 (permalink)
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I'm sorry, did I miss the "helpful" part of your post, Phaenx?
Yes, yes you did. The point, as you've obviously missed it, is that atkins is bad for you.
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Old 02-24-2004, 02:10 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Atkins is really healthy for you.
I can prove it with A) the book that mr atkins HIMSELF WROTE and that is COMPLETELY unbiased and was NOT created to SELL copies and B) the fact that I lost 6 pounds a week. Because, lets get real here guys, losing 6 pounds a week is a completely healthy thing to do.

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Old 02-24-2004, 03:09 PM   #33 (permalink)
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For Pete's sake, the guy just wanted some advice, not a debate. Make your own thread if you can't resist the urge to bash.
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Old 02-24-2004, 03:12 PM   #34 (permalink)
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thanks johnny...same point I was trying to make. don't like it, that's fine, but this thread was not for the purpose of debate. To those who offered advice, it's much appreciated...midway through week 2 of induction, lost 10 pounds the first week. woohoo!
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Yes, yes you did. The point, as you've obviously missed it, is that atkins is bad for you.
Where is your data?

Conventional wisdom says hi protien, hi fat is bad. Yet, all anecdotal evidence points to the contrary. Studies have backed this.

AND ON POST TOPIC: Remember that all this hi protien stuff is kind of expensive, so always try to buy bulk meats etc.
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Old 02-25-2004, 10:06 AM   #36 (permalink)
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You will find that some people will support you while on Atkins and some just don't "get it". They have no comprehension of your choice and will only provide negative feedback. I only wish they knew where their BACK button is.
Its good to be passionate about things, but there is another group you didnt mention- those that disagree with it; but totally comprehend what the Atkins DIEt is all about.

As to follow someones comment and not turn this into a debate (theres been 6 since this area was created) I'll give some neutral advice:

Do not rely on body weight alone- its not telling the whole story.

Simple tools for self assessing to make sure your going in the right direction.

1 fat caliper doing the nine point check
1 cloth tape measure
the same scale your weighing yourself with
a log book for weekly entrys

The caliper will give you a basic fat composition percentage. The tape measure will be used to measure muscle growth (if you work out at all-anything even if its once a week).
The scale your usual reading.

Scenerio 1) You weigh yourself, calculate your fat percentage, and measure your lean mass in the first week of recording.

The next week you find that you have GAINED 10 pounds. First thought is **Dammit** Im going the wrong direction. Your fat percentage; however- has gone down, and your lean mass has increased.

Scenerio 2) Starts the same as 1, but in the instance you find you've lost weight. **First thought- excellent; it's working,. The fat % has increased and the lean mass ratio has decreased.




All the difference in the world in having the body be in a anabolic state vs catabolic.

Increased metabolism with a trained insulin level vs ketosis . . .

It also might be worth looking into what one of the brains primary sources of energy is--hint not ketones. I find it interesting that there are currently no studies being done on long term ketosis effects on neurotransmission.

Im not downing anyone to go on the Atkins; I think its a noble effort to be among the volunteers that will give future generations the data of long term effects of this direction. Hopefully none are bad.
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make sure to read this, as well
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3979332/
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