eiysa

Whats the details on this law? I just dont understand this law, is it sumthing like "if its cute and make a whimpering noise when attacked, its illegal to kill"


I bring this question up after watching Fear Factor. I watched contestants eat live insects and transporting animals from one box to another(no matter how harsh). But wut if they had to eat live kittens(Mad TV Fear Factor ) or toss monkeys from target to target.

What would be the call?Aslong as u cant see facial expressions its alright?

No im not an activist or care for animal health but this topic just came in my head

BBtB

Yea thats about right. That is how most activist feel too. I personally am against animal cruelty but I do not see killing an animal humanely as cruelty. As far as eating live insects.. I can't really say. I mean I don't know enough about how insects think. I mean if they are as smart as even dogs or cats then no I don't think you should eat them live. But do they even feel pain? I am not sure if they do.

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charlesesl

any law or regulation prohibiting Animal Cruelty is obserd and useless.
Consider this, if eating cut kittens are crueld, then eathing cows, pig is crueld. (They are all animals). So we might all well all become vetetarians

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Boner

There's a difference between killing an animal for a legitimate reason and torturing one just to be sadistic. Of course, PeTA would say that all animal killing is cruel.

Sun Tzu

Insects that manage their way into my home are dead. If I see a stray dog that looks lost and its not agressive I'll let it hang out with my other two and call the the humane society to come pick it up. I hate going thourgh there.

If anyone saw Last of the Mohicans the scene where they were hunting sums up how I feel. They killed a deer, but acknowleged its honor for giving agood chase and feeding them. As you can see I dont hang out at the local slaughter house.

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WhoaitsZ

finally, a thread that is close to my heart.

I am unsure exactly how laws work state to state but basically if you're caught tormenting and animal (or owning one and neglecting it) you can be charged with a misdemeanor (sp) and it is sometimes a felony. most of the time people get a slap on the wrist.

as far as FF goes, i think they should be pulled off the air and sued, including the contestants. there is no reason whatsoever to eat anything _live_ it is insanely cruel. could you imagine something 30-40 stories tall raking us in their mouths for _humor_ because we can't communicate with them?

i was watching shock tv on hbo a year or two ago where a woman would swallow live geckos.... i would had paid ever penny i owned and sold all of my belongings to get the chance to beat her shitless.

we kill for food. i am not a vegan (which is why i'm not a member of PETA... not to mention all the nutjobs) and i eat fish and beef and such often. i would hate to do the job myself, but i'm not going to say 'you kill it so my hands are clean'.

the thing is.... if you must eat, you must eat. we all do this. and if you plow down fields, as Ted Nugent once said, you're destroying ecosystems with millions of lives. if you're going to eat, use a quick, easy, clean death. no boiling shit alive or debeaking alive or making calves be forcefed and never sit.... it's just fucking SICK to be so cruel.

um.... sorry. righteous rant. basically, i think if someone willingly hurts an animal for the hell of it they should pay.

i think poachers should have their throats slit, personally.

Lebell

I believe life should be respected as much as possible and animals should be treated as humanely as possible. It is a wonderful and special thing and should not be discounted or treated lightly.

That being said, a rabbit or monkey does not have the same moral standing in my mind as a person.

Make-up testing, No.

Medical research, Yes.

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G_Whiz

Lebell, I am not going to disagree with you totally, but I do have a question about makeup vs medical testing point.

What do you define as medical testing? Is it medical testing if you are testing to see if there are medical impacts of the application of a certain mixture of chemicals (e.g. makeup)? Or another way of saying it, should someone test makeup on animals to assure that it won't have negative reactions on humans?

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I'm really nice to animals

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WhoaitsZ

lebell, pardon me for replying to a post that was a reply to you.. (blink)

G_whiz, i could be wrong, but I assume lebell means that in medical research (ie, cancer, AIDs, stemm -pigs-) it can be a neccesary evil. (and btw, i agree. i hate it but i _do_ think much research is needed. though i think scientest need to learn some humanity)

what she said with make-up, companies not only use the oils of animals, but they use their products on animals also. these applications may severly burn, hurt, torment an animal. lebell is saying 'if you want lipstick, do NOT test it on an animal! if you think you can cure an illment, then go ahead."

sorry if i mispoke.

Lebell

G-Whiz,

Sorry for the confusion, let me clarify what I meant.

What I mean is that so long as there are viable, effective alternatives to animal testing, I think we are morally obligated to use them, otherwise we are making animals suffer needlessly and I think this is immoral. The means medical testing, make up testing, whatever. Right now I believe that for the purposes of testing makeup products, there are good alternatives to animal tests.

Medical experiments are another matter. There is no amount of computer simulation that will replace biological experiments on live animals. Animals should be treated as well as possible under such circumstances (painkillers, food, etc.) but if there is a choice between infecting monkeys to cure AIDS or not infecting them and maybe not finding a cure, I know what I choose.

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MSD

As much as I don't like the idea of killing stuff, food use is alright. I don't approve of killing animals for fur, but leather is ok with me. Slaughtering a few dozen small furry things to make a status symbol that's entirely too expensive is senseless and cruel. When a cow is killed, the entire thing is used. The meat becomes food, teh skin beomes clothing, the rest becomes sausage and Slim-Jims. As far as I know, a mink is not eaten (although it probably tastes like chicken) and if it were, it would be a negligible amount of meat. Chickens become Chicken meat, feather pillows, down jackets (along with geese) and once again, Slim-Jims. If PETA wants to stop senseless death and cruelty, open some fucking homeless shelters and stop letting people freeze and starve to death.

PETA would draw and quarter me for looking at a cow funny.

Phaenx

The superior protein charged strength of a meat eater would easily tip the scales of a fight in your favor given an encounter with an irate crowd of vegetarians. I don't think a bunch of panty waist PETA members would want to fight with anyone anyhow, I saw a story where they got beat up by a bunch of middle-school kids.

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Does anyone feel guilty for using Lysol as directed on the can?

reconmike

I bet if mink had the chance to wear a human coat those little nasty bastards would jump at the chance.

Ok my 2 cents, If it had a face ill eat it. fish, bird, insect, mammal, reptile, did I leave any tasty little creature out? Can someone please pass the garlic.

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BBtB

Don't be fooled. If a cow ever had the chance it would eat you and your entire family. Here is a real question. Would you object to the killing of a dog or cat for food if done humanely? I personally would not mainly because why a cow and not a cat? Because a cat is cuter?

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"I would like about three fiddy"

weedline

My job is to take people out and kill animals.
If they do not kill some thing I do not make money.
I cach small animals that I do not whant to eat and use them to lure larger animals while they are still alive.
I have killed animals with zero food value for money.
I have killed animals with zero food value for just the challange.
I have saved over a thousand birds over one hundred rare turtles.
Im a mate on a drift boat.

WhoaitsZ

this is one thing that really really annoys me abou most people... they have no problem watching an 'ugly' animal dying
but they have a fit when people eat dogs.

i have no preference. i can't even say i rather people eat cow than lizard, and i'm a lizard freak.

right now i got some two day old kittens. i showed mom one today and asked her how she could say a rat was ugly but the kitten is cute. they look the same!

WhoaitsZ

bah! life is life is life!

i use to have arachnaphobia. one day a spider came down a web right in my face. it took a lot of nerve to sit and watch it, but I did it. a few days later i made myself have control and watched another. i've not been affraid since and have let a recluse that was inside a jar somehow go also.

if my house is invaded by plauges of bugs, i get out the poisons. but killing just because you can or a beetle buzzed onto your turf accidently? no way. please, do not kill things if they arn't harming you.....