Mirth

[I apologize ahead of time for the long post, I have a problem with going into too much detail sometimes. Not for the faint of heart.]

In early November, I messaged this one girl on a dating site who only had one picture up that was hard to tell if she was cute or not. As I read her profile, she seemed a lot like myself in that she is shy, not too adventurous, a short, petite girl (the guy version of me), and more of a goofy person when she opens up, so I thought that maybe I'd get to be with someone who would understand me and accept me as what I feel am not a normal guy.

Backstory on myself:. If you've read my other thread about a year ago, you'd remember that I'm not a very confident man, I don't feel attractive at all (mostly because of short height), and I just don't feel normal. I'm averagely intelligent, but I'm not a fast-thinker so I seem pretty dumb and dull. And with that, you'd remember that I was in a long distance relationship with a girl for a year, my first and only girlfriend, who dumped me after a few days in person (mostly because our relationship was rocky).

Continuing on, this girl asked me if I wanted to meet her at her church in November. Note that I'm somewhat agnostic and said I was a Christian to her because she was looking for a "good-Christian man". I felt, maybe I can be converted, since Christianity was once a big part of my family.

Trying to make a long story short, we've met about 12 times so far. She's very enjoyable to hang out with, she's kind of like a kid in many ways which in turn doesn't make me feel intimidated, like most women do to me. She's like a good friend, which I don't have any that are within a 3 hour drive.

Those are the goods. Here are the bads:

1). Attraction: I'm not really attracted to her... She barely falls into the kinda cute category in my eyes. Her face is kind of weird looking to me, and her body doesn't really make up for it. I feel I'm not the most picky guy when it comes to choosing a girl to be with. There are many girls I've thought, "I wouldn't mind being with her" and my friends would be like, "I'll pass". But, I don't feel hardly any attraction to her.. When her and I went to the beach, and I seen many women in swimsuits and stuff, I was thinking, "(I don't even want to see this girl in a swimsuit or bikini...)" It's like, it'd be impossible for her to be sexy in any way, even if she dressed up as a french maid or something. I like a girl who can at least "feel" sexy. :\
My ex was very attractive to me, and probably very attractive to the majority of guys.

2). Money: She spends waaay too much of my money. Not only is it an hour and 15 min. drive, ($12 in gas there and back), I always end up having to pay for our lunches and/or dinners, which costs anywhere from $10 to $30 + tip if it's a restaurant. Then I get the, "Awww, thank you! *shoulder hug*". I make $10 an hour, working part time because of full-time college, I can't afford her. Does dating really cost this much? I expect it the first few times, but for 3 months, I'd expect her to maybe help me out a bit. On top of that, EVERY time we meet up, we always end up going to somewhere in which I'll have to buy something either for us or something she recommends me: Uno ($5), Kite ($4), Fishing License ($20), Bible ($30!), A manga book ($12), Stupid Japanese Soda (2 * $1.50), etc etc etc.
My ex and I didn't do anything that cost us money, we just chilled, and she always insisted on buying her own food or buying mine and hers.

3) Religion: I really like going to the church we go to, it's very "hip". They have a live rock band, and the pastor is really funny but stays on topic for the most part, like, he showed a picture of what he'll look like in heaven (all muscular, with his exact face). I've never thought I could enjoy church, but I do at this one. With that said, I don't see myself ever becoming a "serious" Christian. I don't like it that they think that even if you're a good person, you're still going to hell if you don't accept Jesus into your life or if you doubt his existence. I guess because then my family is going to hell no matter how good they are, so I don't want to think about that. It just feels too much like a cult. I don't have anything against Christians, I think most are good people (and I've actually always tried to go after Christian girls because they seem like they have better morals and are more committed). But when she laughs at the stupid Biblical jokes, I don't laugh and I think she's nuts, yet she's practically rolling on the floor laughing and looks at me to make sure I'm (fake) laughing too.
My ex is a Catholic but we never talked about religion really. Heck, she barely went to church ever.

4). Embarrassment: I'm not easily embarrassed, at all, but this girl can work wonders on it. She says "Lol" or "win" after every sentence, she dances with her hands in public too much, and I don't really like to be seen with her as a couple. :\
My ex was/is a slut. Unrelated to the topic.

5) Don't want to communicate: I really don't want to talk/text this girl when we're not together. I don't have that "urge" to see what she's up to, how her day was, that kinda stuff.
With my ex, we couldn't NOT text each other every day. She always wanted to chat with me, and I absolutely loved chatting with her, getting to know her, how she was doing, etc. I did it without coming off as "needy", in that we'd take turns letting each other start up the conversation each day. Was amazingly awesome and it felt so good.

6) Sexuality: She doesn't seemed to be interested in sexual stuff. I knew going into this that she wasn't "easy". When we were on her couch, when her bro and mom left, I made a sexual joke that went something like, "Now that they're gone, maybe we could mess around a little. ". I was kind of being serious but said it somewhat jokingly just in case she wasn't into that. She gave me the weirdest look I've ever gotten in my life, and we just continued playing Uno.
My ex was always turned on by something I did. She'd even like, finger herself while we were texting and stuff... And she'd let me play with her boobs whenever I wanted! And she loved to be touched, anywhere, and I liked being able to like, put my hand on her leg and know that it turns her on. She loved to make out and of course, liked sex a lot (although we only did it 3 times. :\ ).

The worst part about all of that, 1-6, is that if I were really attracted to her, I wouldn't mind 2-5. (I'd still do 6 with her, haha). I wouldn't mind spending that money on her, I wouldn't mind that she's very religious and has her own views, and I wouldn't care if she was embarrassing because let's face it, being with an attractive girl cancels out anything that could be embarrassing. In other words, I would really like this girl if I were attracted to her. And my ex was just awesome in like, every regard (other than the sluttyness), we had everything in common, had the same views, and she was gorgeous. So I went from great to not-so-great. But I guess my ex wasn't so great if she had left me, ha.


So I feel I have a few options:

Option 1 -- Just friends: This is my biggest fear. The thing I fear the most is breaking this girl's heart. I know that she really, really likes me. If anything, she may even be in love with me. I actually met her mom and brother last weekend, when before she seemed to be hiding me from them (which was fine). Halfway through the week, every week, she'd text me saying she can't wait to see me. But I don't feel the same. But I also do NOT want her to go through the pain I went through when my ex didn't want me anymore. It is the worst feeling I've ever had, and it still hurts me to this day (5 months later). I cannot do this to her... And I'm pretty sure she wouldn't want to be friends if I did.

Option 2 -- Settle with her: I'm very afraid that if I turn her down, I could end up being alone forever. I took me 24 years to get my first girlfriend and my first kiss, and the time we spent together was LESS than the time I've spent total with this new girl, IN THE FIRST TWO DAYS WE MET. I cannot go another 25 years alone, I'd just kill myself. But then again, I'm not confident enough to really approach women out of the blue, so I feel I will have to play the waiting game and wait for a girl to come into my life, because on the three dating sites I'm at, all of the very few girls that are interested in me I don't find attractive (No offense to them, but I'm just not into girls who weigh 50+ more pounds than I do... Really, no offense to them, it's just not for me, and I know there are guys out there that dig them type of women.) Anyways, I'm not sure if maybe with more time I'll end up falling in love with her?

So, I don't know what to do really... I want to make this decision very soon, because the more time that goes by, if I choose option 1 it'll just make it harder on her. And if I did choose option 1, I wouldn't know the easiest way to do it... But I don't know if I should choose option 2 and potentially find real love and happiness with her...

Comments and thoughts on anything is greatly appreciated. I respect this community's opinions very highly.

Plan9

Dude, ditch this walking cartoon / train wreck and develop yourself so you can better find a partner that meets your needs.

First off... you're using her like a life preserver... she's all you've got so you hang on. That's way unhealthy, bro.

You need to have friends, hobbies, and Pullups (TM) I-Did-It-Myself moments in your life before you can find someone.

Enough of this I wanna find The One stuff and go find Ms. Lasts-A-Year. Life is too short to be that scared or that picky.

You seem to be big into religion. Turns out a church and its related functions are totally the place to meet girls into religion.

There are Christian dating sites on the web if you're too shy to face-to-face that Jesus-lovin' hottie in the provocative cardigan.

If you need help with navigating dating sites or creating a profile, I've pretty much hit 'em all. I like the ability to multitask.

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Point is: Relationships are all about the raw material of each partner. She doesn't appear to have anything good for you two to mold into a Happily Ever After. She spends money on superfluous shit ($30 Bible? Gefuck'd!), she embarrasses you with her constant ZOMG! talk, she's about as sexual as a pet rock, conversation seems to be nil and you aren't even physically attracted to her. Do the math. You might not like where you are when you ditch her, but you'll be glad when you find the next girl. Your path to success starts with you building you and setting out for a fellow adventurer, not a couch anchor.

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Jinn

Okay, having been there (as I'd say most men in their mid 20s has) you need to dump her. You know what you need to do, and you're really being a coward by letting it drag on. She's not what you want, in any shape or form. The only reason you'd even deign to 'settle' with her is because you're afraid of being alone.


And I can tell you that it's better to be alone then to live a life trying to pretend to like someone you don't.

And I don't care if you look like Hannibal Lector, you will find other women are interested in you.

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ratbastid

What Plan9 said.

Also, dude: comparisons. Notice that you're making them. Notice that you're making them point by point. Even when there's no comparison to make, you can't hold back from making one even though it makes no sense. I know to you that was just a joke, but it speaks to the framework of the whole thing in your mind.

So then, the next girl will be either better or worse than the last girl. You know what she can't ever be, if she's always a comparison? She can't ever just be this girl. She's stuck being some comparison against the last girl. And no woman EVER wants to be compared (even favorably) against the last girl. She wants to be appreciated for WHO SHE IS, not for being free of the flaws the last one had.

This doesn't sound like the right woman for you. Onward!

Baraka_Guru

It's better to be alone than to be with someone you don't love. At least when you're alone, you can be honest with yourself. Pretending to have something you don't, or even waiting for something that likely won't happen, will do a number on you over time.

And when you're alone, you've more available to those you meet who you just might rather be with.

Do the both of you a favour: end it.

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The_Jazz

Sigh....

Dump her. As much for her sake as yours. Why make her unhappy and lead her on needlessly. If you can't do it in person, read these reasons over the phone - although I'd edit out the stuff about the ex.

Dude, you need some confidence. Go do something really cool - shoot something, bungee jump, throw lawnchairs at passing cars, whatever passes for cool in your neck of the woods. This.....this is just unfair to both of you.

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Plan9

Rat, it's easy to make comparisons when your partner body count looks like a peace sign.

Said syndrome dies when you run out of fingers. Goal: Up the body count so you stop comparing.

* requires investment in competent attorney, not recommended in NC

Huh. I've had girls that wanted to be better than the last one. They made it an issue to know the bar so they could raise it.

Probably unhealthy, but I didn't complain. A man should never make an issue of free food or kinky sex.

ratbastid

Well... That's one approach. And possibly the one I'd recommend for our friend here. Problem is, they'll just be bodies until he gets-thefuck-over Ms. Ex-lady.

Plan9

Is this another thread? Male regret? I can see it now: "Did I really stay with Susie McSlobbins for mediocre suckin's?"

That's the idea, no? Variety is both the spice of life and the key to losing your serial killer-esque fixation on an old lover.

I had one boring, good conversationalist girlfriend with a smoking body and no sex drive.
I had one fun, bad conversationalist girlfriend with a good body and amazing sex drive.
I had one crazy, okay conversationalist girlfriend with a scrappy body and insane sex drive.

The point? I don't compare girls anymore because I've seen how the strengths and weaknesses play out to the point that there is no magic.

We're all just pieces of meet that bump together in the dark. We can speed up the process or slow it down, but it's largely random.

World's King

Can I get the Cliff's Notes version of this?

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Plan9

Imagine a train wreck. Imagine a man walking away from it as the lone survivor.

World's King

So that horrid movie "Unbreakable"?

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Plan9

Kinda. The guy is still finding himself and the train was actually a very large woman.

The_Jazz

Does that mean you're played by Samuel L. Jackson, Plan9?

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Plan9

And:

snowy

I didn't even read the OP entirely, I'll admit it, because the answer is in the thread title. If you don't love her--dump her! DUH.

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Mirth

Sorry to bust in during all the fun.

Well, it seems the general consensus is that I should end it with her, so I guess I'll go with that and manage to be alone until whenever, which will probably be for the best...

About comparisons, it's not something that is a determining factor for me. My favorite theme park that I've been to is Busche Gardens, but that doesn't mean I don't enjoy going to Universal's Island of Adventures, nor does it mean that I need to keep on going to theme parks that are as good as or better than Busche Gardens. I'm fine with just going to any theme park that gives me some sort of enjoyment.

Although, some of the replies have made me feel like I'm selfish... I really didn't intend to lead her on or anything and waste her time, I kept seeing her because I wanted to learn more about her and see if things felt differently the more I got to know her personality. That last thing I wanted to do is to intentionally hurt her and use her...

With that said, now I have to find a way to break the news to her as easily (on her) as possible. I suppose it'd be best if I did the George Costanza "It's not you, it's me..." routine. I don't want to make her feel like she sucks as a potential partner for a man. Then again, I don't want to make myself look like an asshole which would lead her to feel tricked. By doing this, I'm not so much worried about me, but worried about her.

Side response to other replies:

I admit that I do need friends. They are hard for me to come by... Just like with women, it's hard for me to approach people in general for the first time and strike up an interesting conversation, one that will get them to say "I think I'd like to get to know this guy more.) Hobbies are hard due to work and school; I looked into Martial Arts the other day, but unfortunately every place I've looked at had classes only on the weekdays, in which I have work and school (9am-10PM, cept Friday). I am in a band, which is my favorite hobby, but we are in the brinks of breaking up due to their wives bitching about how much time they don't spend with them. As for exercise, I was doing P90x workout program for 2 months, but I stopped when school started again, because I literally have no time for a daily exercise routine anymore. But I could cut it down to using the pull-bar and weights for a few minutes everyday. I think I'll do that. The thing I liked about this girl was that she understood that I'm a very busy person, and that she'd have to wait until the weekend to be able to see me. I'm sure it's not easy getting a girlfriend who won't mind not being able to see you more than 3 times a week.

dippin

Dump her.

And next time, don't put so much pressure on your relationships. Last time around, you were wondering if the girl would be the one and only forever and ever even before you met her. This time, you want this girl to top the last girl in everything. It's too much pressure to expect the girl to make up for everything your life lacks from the very start.

Manic_Skafe

However ugly you believe her to be, you don't deserve her.

Work on having something to offer.

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Mirth

Damn dude, I didn't know you had a grudge against me. For the record, I said "I'm not attracted to her." I'm not saying she's ugly in general; I'm sure there are guys that may like her physically. I wouldn't get a dachshund, but other people love them, it's just not for me. Like I said in my previous reply, I did not intend to hurt her, and I did not intend as just using her for practice.

And I do have something to offer, at least in her eyes, or else she wouldn't like me so much, no? And I have something to offer in general to women; when I find the right one (not to be confused with "the one", which I'm not after), I will offer her my faithfulness and commitment to her. And I'm sure I'll eventually have a good career, so I can offer us security, and if that falls through I have many backups as to how to keep us afloat.

Herk

Rent The Tao of Steve, if for no other reason than its an awesome movie.

I've always been a fan of the philosophy that if you build it they will come when it comes to romance. Build your life up. I'm not suggesting you aren't successful, just that you might aim to just keep improving and enjoying yourself even if you're already badass. As a result, for many, I think the girls show up.

As an example, my brother in law, joined the military right out of school. He met a girl in transit to first duty station and married her within weeks. She anally plundered him for all his happiness and money while he was in Korea not a year down the road. They divorced, and he married another little girl within a year. Things aren't going well. Moral: you must build a foundation upon which to set your relationship. Unfortunately we are driven to solve a problem right now, as if it is a problem not to be in a relationship. I suspect a relationship is much more enjoyable if not labored over so much.

My credibility here is nil; I have been married since the week after my high school graduation. BTW, turns out that causes a lot of regrets about not getting a lot of(any) teenage pussy. Anyway, I love my wife and we are happily married for nearly 10 years. I can tell you though that my wife and I see eye to eye on all of your con points above. If she fell short in any of those regards in my eyes, I wouldn't want to be with her for a minute. The beauty of this relationship is that we... well I don't have any of those questions about her and I hope she doesn't of me. A relationship is something to enjoy not deplore.

I think the truth is that if you are an average joe, there isn't a thing you can do to control the universe. You can only try and manipulate it in subtle ways. In this case, building your footing and most importantly get over the whole not able to talk to girls thing. We'll all be dead tomorrow; pick one you adore in the meantime.

Also, it looks like you feel like you're getting beat up here for being harsh about this girl. Its bull, you were honest and humble at the same time. It was clear to me that you have the best intentions.

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settie

That's cause you are being selfish. Relationships require both selflessness and selfishness. If you were selfless, you'd torture yourself and continue the relationship. But you're unsatisfied, so break it off and try again.

Do it sooner than later, my ex "changed" and decided to not tell me for over 1 year. I broke it off, because he was beyond distant, he was evasive. And when I found out it had been that long, I told him I never wanted to speak to him again. He lied. He didn't want to hurt me, but he lied. I felt used and furious for using my money and emotions on him for an extra year. And the moron still wants to be best buddies... hah! So I beg you, please be completely honest and end it quickly. And don't give her the option of being friends after, just make a complete clean break.

Cynthetiq

move on. why waste your time and hers?

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Toaster126

When will we learn that lying to ourselves about what we want, and lying to others about who we are doesn't build good relationships?

You don't have to want a good one, just admit it.

Or if you really do, you might need to think about why you feel you have to lie to get one, and work on that instead. You'll be much happier, and the other thing will work itself out by proxy.

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genuinegirly

In reality, you have been on very few dates. It's not a bad time to move on. I wouldn't say that you have led her on senselessly. But, now that you've been through the necessary personal hmm-ing and haw-ing, it would be the best time to say goodbye.

My Thoughts On Her:
When a woman says they want a good Christian man, they often mean a man who will understand their desire to abstain from sex until marriage. This would be one explanation for her disinterest in the matter. She doesn't seem to notice you're shelling out a sizeable chunk of change to spend time with her. She thinks she's worth "that much." Maybe another woman will be, but this one is not. Based on what you have written about her in this thread, it sounds like she's clinging to a prepubescent mentality. She needs to mature before she is ready for a true, lasting relationship.

My thoughts about You:
You have the option of sticking with her and hoping she matures to the level you hope, learning to love her along the way. Or you can choose to cut your losses now and move on. It's your choice. Expect some amount of drama and heartache over the breakup - for yourself and for her.

My thoughts on both of you:
In any case, it seems you have both learned a lot from the relationship. You've learned that someone's interest in religion isn't necessarily going to cross them off your list. You've also learned that some women don't bother with financial accountability. You've learned to interact comfortably on a more-than-social level with a woman other than your ex. I wouldn't call it a waste of time.

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dlish

dude..join a chess club, it'd probably get you laid a lot quicker...and chess's a slow thinking game, so a 5-10 minute lag between moves is normal part of the game sometimes. you could get laid in that time if you're lucky.

seriously though, dump her. if you cant spend 500 bucks on her in 3 months ( an estimate based on your numbers) without feeling bad, you shouldnt be with her. besides, id have thought as a christain she'd have her own Bible! if i was single and someone bought me a Quran, i'd find that lame, then weird.

and for the record, once you do get #6 from her, you wont put up with the 1-5 stuff. so do it now before its too late.

dont take any of this advice as TFP being harsh on you, most people here would find it a no brainer that you'd dump her before you ruined your life and hers.

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spindles

Most Christians I know have more than one bible in the house - heck, I'm an atheist and there are 2 bibles in my office (comes from marrying a Christian!!).

For the OP - I'm with the majority here - end it. The quicker you do it, the easier it is on both of you. And be honest about it - that "its not you, its me..." crap doesn't get you anywhere.

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Xerxys

End it with her. Sit her down and explain that YOU made a mistake going onto a relationship so fast after the fiasco with your ex.

After this start meeting people. Mirth, how many times have you contributed to this website besides being all emo about how little self esteem you have and how average you are and woe is me this, woe is me that! You are fuckin' selfish dude! How dare you go into a relationship with some one you don't find attractive? I'm socially retarded and even *I* know that's wrong!

I have half a very cynic mind to think that you intentionally used her as an emotional punching bag. If you went so far as two dates with this girl and found nothing of value why did you not drop it altogether? Unless you wanted to be the dumper instead of the dumpee can you think of any other reason?

You complain of the inability to connect with many people. How do you think you will find a soul mate with no effort to remedy your excess introverted behavior? Getting a girlfriend requires you to be able to start conversations. Stick around if not here then any other forums and LEARN HOW TO TALK TO PEOPLE. Contribute more and make it a habit like smoking. Hopefully it will manifest into a compulsion to meet more people.

Worst case scenario you become a worse recluse and develop an internet addiction.

Mirth

Looks like I'm going to be doing a lot of replying to most. Here it goes!:


That was a very wonderful post and I enjoyed it. And you hit the nail on the head, I want to get straight to the answer of what I feel my problem is, but I do need to work on myself first, even if it means not rushing things. As long as I don't sit back and just watch though.



Eek, I'm sorry to hear about what happened. I made this thread because the last thing I wanted to do was lead her on any longer, even if that meant me not getting the chance to spend more time with her and figure out if my heart would change.

That really sucks you feel I should make a clean break... I'd still like to be her friend, and although I don't think she'll want to, I hope she does.



I'd actually never learned that before, up until now. I wasn't sure if I was lying to myself or if I was supposed to wait for things to just fall into place. I guess I know now.


I really like this post, it's sweet. I initially thought the "Christian man" thing was just something that meant, someone who is not a playa, and someone who is kind and polite. Which I thought I was. But the no sex till marriage thing did cross my mind a few times. Actually, the first reply I got back from her towards my first message was, "Take note that I don't do one night stands.", and that was it, haha. And my first message had nothing to do with sex. I still have no clue why she did that, haha.

But yeah, I don't think I should stay with her. I'll do anything in my power to not hurt her anymore than she already be when I break the news (minus staying with her and having me be unhappy forever...), so I guess the sooner, the better.



Haha, I do like chess actually.

See, I'm not sure if it's normal to spend the amount I did on her, on another woman. Being as this is the first girl I ever really "dated", I don't like the amount I was spending, but I don't know if that it is a normal amount or not because none of my friends have ever told me how much they spent on dating. All I know is that I don't like spending "that" much. But that's coming from a guy who's good with managing his money (I have no debts or loans, no car payments, and don't buy all the latest gizmos)

Oh, and I worded the Bible part wrong. She has her own bible, the bible I bought was for me, but, she insisted on getting one that had both the old and new testaments, and one that was small. Which narrowed it down to $25-$50 ones at the churches store. If it were my choice, I would have eBayed one for $5.

And I feel only Manic_Skafe was being harsh on me. The others have been very helpful.


I really don't have much to contribute. I think I posted a reply about laptops or something once, but otherwise, everyone here is generally smarter than me or more experienced than me. It's like wikipedia to me, I don't know how so many people have all that info in there, and I don't think I could add anything into wikipedia that wasn't in there already.

I know I may seem emo and/or selfish for this thread and my previous threads, but this is the only part of life I can't seem to understand or figure out... It's hard for me to make friends or girlfriends. But other than that, I'd say my life is pretty good. It's just that having friends is really important to me, and having a real girlfriend is something I'm very curious to learning about, and I miss being loved. Other than that, I'm a very unselfish person for the most part. If someone's car is broke down on the side of the road, I'll help them out. I always hold doors for people. I always handsomely tip my waitresses and barbers. If there's anyone that is in need of help and I know that I'm capable of helping, I usually never hesitate. (I guess you can say it is selfish though, because these things make me feel good.)

And I do a lotttt of talking on the internet. I have 13,000+ posts on one other forum alone, and I instant message with a lot of internet buddies. I feel texting, e-mailing, and even instant messaging is much different than talking with someone in person or on the phone, mostly because, like I said before I'm a slow thinker. The internet chatting gives me any amount of time I need to think about what I want to say, while the other methods are more real-time, and I just can't do that. I'm just a really slow thinker.

And the only reason why I don't casually post here is because I'm too intimidated, and as I mentioned before, I don't have any real-world experience that another, wiser user couldn't post.

Wes Mantooth

Yeah I have to agree with the consensus here, dump her. It can be very easy to fall into the habit of being with somebody but it sounds like nobody is really gaining anything from this relationship. I know sometimes it can be tough meeting new people but trust me its much worse staying a relationship you don't really want to be in, honestly at some point the fallout will probably be catastrophic if you wait to long.

If you have a hard time meeting girls in person why not try an online dating site? You could break the ice chatting or through email and such by the time you'd meet her in person all the hard stuff will be out of the way.

Best of luck

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Martian

What the hell kinds of chess clubs have you been playing in?

There's a bad porno in there somewhere.

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lulu_mq

Exactly! I think (wait, i KNOW) I would be more hurt to find out later on that this whole time the guy that I was or could fall in love with hasn't even been remotely interested in me at all. Wanna to talk about embarrassment? Think of how she'll feel when you decide your done with her 5 maybe 10 years from now. dude, listen to your fellow TFP'ers when we say,... dump her!!

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Plan9

Depends... how big is your bishop?

lostgirl

If you do not love her you must leave her period. For your sake and for hers.

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Shauk

Ok there isn't really a scenario here where you will "learn to love" her.

1. Your relationship is based on a lie, you misrepresented yourself.
2. Your relationship is being compared to your ex every step of the way. get over her first.
3. You guys don't even have enough in common to be friends if you ask me.
4. The longer you drag this out, the more drama you'll get from it.

I think you need to man up, call her up and tell her it's not working out for you.


You only live once, make the most of your time seeking someone who's right for you, improve your confidence however necessary, be it a gym or becoming an mtv guido, who cares? learn to masturbate more I guess. Stop ignoring your friends.

I only say stop ignoring your friends because I think if you're this prone to emotionally latch on to the only girl in your life showing you any kind of attention from miles and miles away and you're shelling out the cash for it (you'd probably get more satisfaction from a lapdance for the money, same end result) It just makes me think that you haven't been bonding with your friends enough and you're seeking your emotional ties in this trainwreck of a situation you've created for yourself.

bah, you know what to do.

DaniGirl

dump her, life is too short to be with someone you don't love. But do it now before she gets anymore attached. Its unfair to her to be in a relationship that is all one sided.

Meditrina

My reply is coming from the point of view of the person that was settled for. At least that is how it feels 15 years later and he says he has been unhappy for more than 1/2 of that. He stayed with me until he found someone else, that much is obvious. It makes me feel like my life was a lie. Don't settle. It hurts in the long run.

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Illini

You must leave ASAP. I went thru this and it was just wasted time, time you will never get back.

Mirth

Yeah, I'm 99.9% sure I'm going to let her go by this weekend. Just writing some stuff down on how I'm going to break the news to her. This is the hardest thing I've ever done.

highthief

Am I the only one who thinks the "dumpee" is going to be better off being rid of the "dumper" in this case?

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