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Schwan · 04-19-2004, 12:24 PM

The text below is a rough translation of a piece of text from the Bible. It initially appeared in Krzysztof Kieslowski's film Three Colors: Blue. Since I was watching the movie with subtitles, I had to translate it into English, so it's very rough. It's really great, and I'm very keen on finding out where exactly this piece of text might come from. I'm pretty sure I've read in the movies ending credits, though in French, that it comes from the New Testament. Does anyone recognize this, and might point me in the right direction?

If I spoke in the angel’s language
And I had no love
I’d be nothing but copper ringing

If I had the gift of prophesizing
And I had no love
I’d be nothing

Love is patient
Love is full of good.
It bares anything.
It expects everything.
Love never stops.

Because if there are prophecies – they will seize.
If languages – they’ll stop.
If knowledge – it will turn into nothing.
Prophecies – will seize.
Languages – will fall silent
Only thing that’s left
Is faith, hope and love
But of the three
Love is the greatest.

Oh, and if it helps, these are the last words spoken in the movie.

Redlemon · 04-19-2004, 12:40 PM

1 CORINTHIANS - CHAPTER 13

13:1
Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
13:2
And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
13:3
And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
13:4
Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
13:5
Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
13:6
Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
13:7
Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
13:8
Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
13:9
For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
13:10
But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
13:11
When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
13:12
For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
13:13
And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

(Or find another translation. There are many. It is frequently used as a reading in weddings.)

Yakk · 04-19-2004, 12:48 PM

Searching for "faith love and hope", I get 1 Corinthians 13:13 in the NIV.

NIV:

Quote:

1 Corinthians 13
Love

1If I speak in the tongues[1] of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames,[2] but have not love, I gain nothing.
4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. 11When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. 12Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
13And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

KJV:

Quote:

1 Corinthians 13
1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

Schwan · 04-19-2004, 01:03 PM

Thanks a lot, you're the best!

Paradise Lost · 04-19-2004, 01:11 PM

If you're ever trying to do something like this again with the
Bible, try downloading it from www.freebooks5000.com , it's the
original King James, but still, very handy when you want to
search stuff :P

(Not saying that we don't want to help, just giving
a suggestion :P )

Schwan · 04-19-2004, 01:15 PM

Thanks fo the link!

Redlemon · 04-19-2004, 01:24 PM

Here's another link:
http://www.gospelcom.net/ibs/bibles/compare.php

Use it to search for 1 Corinthians 13, and you can compare a whole bunch of different translations.

Speed_Gibson · 04-19-2004, 08:42 PM

Quote:

t's the original King James, but still, very handy when you want to search stuff :P

The original Authorised Version (associating the name of that pervert with a Bible is one of history's huge jokes) is better than the NIV by far.

edit: post trimmed down

Yakk · 04-20-2004, 06:45 AM

A google search for "online bible" gets:
http://bible.gospelcom.net/
which is my main source of bible quotes online.

Schwan · 04-20-2004, 08:36 AM

I never thought there were so many versions. I guess it makes sense, though, with religion beeing interpreted in so many ways.

asaris · 04-20-2004, 11:03 AM

Note that the different versions of the Bible are almost never significantly different. "Different version" is this context really just means "Different translation".

04-19-2004, 12:24 PM	#1 (permalink)
Schwan A boy and his dog Location: EU!	New Testament help. The text below is a rough translation of a piece of text from the Bible. It initially appeared in Krzysztof Kieslowski's film Three Colors: Blue. Since I was watching the movie with subtitles, I had to translate it into English, so it's very rough. It's really great, and I'm very keen on finding out where exactly this piece of text might come from. I'm pretty sure I've read in the movies ending credits, though in French, that it comes from the New Testament. Does anyone recognize this, and might point me in the right direction? If I spoke in the angel’s language And I had no love I’d be nothing but copper ringing If I had the gift of prophesizing And I had no love I’d be nothing Love is patient Love is full of good. It bares anything. It expects everything. Love never stops. Because if there are prophecies – they will seize. If languages – they’ll stop. If knowledge – it will turn into nothing. Prophecies – will seize. Languages – will fall silent Only thing that’s left Is faith, hope and love But of the three Love is the greatest. Oh, and if it helps, these are the last words spoken in the movie. Last edited by Schwan; 04-19-2004 at 12:27 PM..

04-19-2004, 12:40 PM	#2 (permalink)
Redlemon Devoted Donor Location: New England	1 CORINTHIANS - CHAPTER 13 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. 13:3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing. 13:4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. 13:9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. 13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. 13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity. (Or find another translation. There are many. It is frequently used as a reading in weddings.) __________________ I can't read your signature. Sorry.

04-19-2004, 01:11 PM	#5 (permalink)
Paradise Lost "Afternoon everybody." "NORM!" Location: Poland, Ohio // Clarion University of PA.	If you're ever trying to do something like this again with the Bible, try downloading it from www.freebooks5000.com , it's the original King James, but still, very handy when you want to search stuff :P (Not saying that we don't want to help, just giving a suggestion :P ) __________________ "Marino could do it."

04-19-2004, 01:24 PM	#7 (permalink)
Redlemon Devoted Donor Location: New England	Here's another link: http://www.gospelcom.net/ibs/bibles/compare.php Use it to search for 1 Corinthians 13, and you can compare a whole bunch of different translations. __________________ I can't read your signature. Sorry.

04-20-2004, 06:45 AM	#9 (permalink)
Yakk Wehret Den Anfängen! Location: Ontario, Canada	A google search for "online bible" gets: http://bible.gospelcom.net/ which is my main source of bible quotes online. __________________ Last edited by JHVH : 10-29-4004 BC at 09:00 PM. Reason: Time for a rest.

04-19-2004, 01:03 PM	#4 (permalink)
Schwan A boy and his dog Location: EU!	Thanks a lot, you're the best!

04-19-2004, 01:15 PM	#6 (permalink)
Schwan A boy and his dog Location: EU!	Thanks fo the link!

04-20-2004, 08:36 AM	#10 (permalink)
Schwan A boy and his dog Location: EU!	I never thought there were so many versions. I guess it makes sense, though, with religion beeing interpreted in so many ways. Last edited by Schwan; 04-20-2004 at 08:43 AM..

04-20-2004, 11:03 AM	#11 (permalink)
asaris Mad Philosopher Location: Washington, DC	Note that the different versions of the Bible are almost never significantly different. "Different version" is this context really just means "Different translation". __________________ "Die Deutschen meinen, daß die Kraft sich in Härte und Grausamkeit offenbaren müsse, sie unterwerfen sich dann gerne und mit Bewunderung:[...]. Daß es Kraft giebt in der Milde und Stille, das glauben sie nicht leicht." "The Germans believe that power must reveal itself in hardness and cruelty and then submit themselves gladly and with admiration[...]. They do not believe readily that there is power in meekness and calm." -- Friedrich Nietzsche