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FngKestrel 12-22-2005 09:38 AM

Take-Two gets a new shareholder: Jack Thompson
 
From joystiq.com:
http://joystiq.com/2005/12/22/take-t...jack-thompson/
He's got a method to his madness. And we know how mad he is.

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Take-Two gets a new shareholder: Jack Thompson

Posted Dec 22nd 2005 7:45AM by Conrad Quilty-Harper
Filed under: Culture
Take-Two InteractiveNo, your eyes are not deceiving you. Jack Thompson has purchased shares in Take-Two interactive - otherwise known as the publisher behind the Grand Theft Auto series of games. So has JT suddenly become a financial supporter of the company he's long campaigned against? Not a chance. JT has purchased stock in the company in order that he might attend Take-Two's shareholder meetings and face up to the company's CEO, Paul Eibeler.

In advance of attending the shareholder's meeting, he sent a ranting letter to Eibeler, outlining his plan to attend the meeting and visit several issues that have been on our favorite lawyer's mind as of late. In the letter, JT questions Eibeler's handling of the "Hot Coffee" sex scandal (which won an award, by the way) and mentions a report by MarketWatch naming Eibeler as the "worst CEO of 2005". Up until this point, the letter raises legitimate concerns that any shareholder could have regarding the company's CEO.

But, as JT's letters always do, it degrades into a messy rant against the video game industry in general. At one point, JT refers to Microsoft's Flight Simulator as a training simulator for the 9/11 terrorists: "What's next, Paul, a game in which players can practice flying commercial jetliners into the World Trade Towers? Oh, I forgot. Microsoft already did that." We're not going to dignify that statement with a retort. As these kind of statements demonstrate: Jack Thompson is, and will forever remain, a childish attention seeker. We hope the organisers of the next Take-Two shareholder's meeting refuse to obey JT's request for a "cordless microphone at the shareholders meeting." That's all he needs: a voice.

Coppertop 12-22-2005 09:43 AM

Jack Thompson = asshat

And that's all I have to say about that.

Jinn 12-22-2005 10:01 AM

Seconded...

Cynthetiq 12-22-2005 11:32 AM

so little discussion happening here...

care to add why he's an asshat and seconded?

Coppertop 12-22-2005 11:45 AM

I thought it was obvious:

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But, as JT's letters always do, it degrades into a messy rant against the video game industry in general. At one point, JT refers to Microsoft's Flight Simulator as a training simulator for the 9/11 terrorists: "What's next, Paul, a game in which players can practice flying commercial jetliners into the World Trade Towers? Oh, I forgot. Microsoft already did that."
I'm surprised anyone who would visit Tilted Gaming wouldn't already know about Thompson's asshattedness. It has been discussed at length in multiple other threads here.

Cynthetiq 12-22-2005 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Coppertop
I thought it was obvious:

I'm surprised anyone who would visit Tilted Gaming wouldn't already know about Thompson's asshattedness. It has been discussed at length in multiple other threads here.

I never have seen his name before, but my statement was to provoke some sort of discussion. If you're saying that it's like saying the sky is blue then maybe this disucssion is better served being merged into another thread.

Wingless 12-22-2005 02:37 PM

Cyntehtiq: Sorry I don't have a link to the article, but Thompson refers to Japanese gaming reaching youths in America as a "Second Pearl Harbor".

I third the "Thompson is an Asshat" comment.

FngKestrel 12-22-2005 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Cynthetiq
I never have seen his name before, but my statement was to provoke some sort of discussion. If you're saying that it's like saying the sky is blue then maybe this disucssion is better served being merged into another thread.

I'd be up for a "Jack Thompson is an Asshat" thread myself.

To further discussion, I'd have to say that this is an ingenious way of getting in the face of your opponent, but that his arguments are so poorly formulated that it would only serve to polarize the very people that he would be talking to.

Jinn 12-22-2005 04:34 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_thompson

...to be fair, Cyn.. I think nearly every regular visitor to Gaming knows who Jack Thompson is. He's the asshat behind nearly every movement to 'prove' that violent video games are the downfall of society. Most of his arguments rely on rhetoric and misinformation, so the collective opinion of him in gaming circles is quite low.

That said, this seemed to be a news story about another one of his ridiculous exploits. I'm not surprised that he's trying to get into Take-Two meetings to rant, but I am more distracted by the delicious irony of buying stock in his 'satan.'

flamingdog 12-22-2005 06:14 PM

I'm with Cyn, what's the point in posting 'asshat' and nothing else? You're wasting power, making my monitor fire useless pixels. It hurts everyone.

I feel oddly conflicted about Thompson, because while I disagree with his methods, his bilious invective, and a lot of his opinions about specific games (the Flight Simulator/Twin Towers thing is not only bullshit, it's old hat bullshit), I do find myself agreeing that kids/teens should be protected from violent games. I don't for a second believe that playing violent games makes you into a killer, but there are degrees of anti-social behaviour. I just don't think kids (and some adults) have the maturity to deal with these things effectively.

Reference:
http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?t=98407
http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?t=98323

And games with the tone of Postal 2, a particular bug-bear of Thompson's - I just don't see the need for at all. It's juvenile. Games like that actually make me embarrassed to call myself a gamer just in case some of the stink rubs off on me.

Lak 12-22-2005 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by flamingdog
... I do find myself agreeing that kids/teens should be protected from violent games...

As far as I'm concerned, kids are protected from violent video games - thats what the ratings are for. Kids (in theory) won't be sold these games. If parents are willing to ignore the ratings and buy games for thier kids anyway, they shoulder the responsibility. End.

flamingdog 12-22-2005 09:23 PM

But that's the end of the debate is it? The ratings evidently do not work.

MexicanOnABike 12-22-2005 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by flamingdog
But that's the end of the debate is it? The ratings evidently do not work.

it does where i live. i see the store owner at EB always asking to see ID for games that require a certain age. :thumbsup: it's the same fucking things with movies. would you show a R or XXX movie to a kid? no ? then what's the diff with a game? end of argument. fix the parent's thinking...

flamingdog 12-22-2005 11:23 PM

Well, fair comment there... that's not my perception of how it works. I'm given to understand that workers in game shops either don't bother to card, or if the parent is present, don't bother to explain that the content of RapeFest XP might not be suitable for little Johnny because the parents don't appreciate it, and get all up in their faces about it.

I suppose you're right... but how do you fix the parents' thinking, if they're content to let their children be brought up by a games console in the first place...?

tspikes51 12-23-2005 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by mexicanonabike
it does where i live. i see the store owner at EB always asking to see ID for games that require a certain age. :thumbsup: it's the same fucking things with movies. would you show a R or XXX movie to a kid? no ? then what's the diff with a game? end of argument. fix the parent's thinking...

Yeah, I remember the cashier at Meijer making me get my mom to buy Duke Nukem 64 for me when I was about 12 or so... before there was any real big debate on this stuff. Good cashier I say!

flamingdog 12-23-2005 12:34 AM

No debate?!! Don't you remember Night Trap? Mortal Kombat?

RAGEAngel9 12-23-2005 07:06 AM

Custer's Revenge FTW!

Yeah. It's pretty well know that Thompson is just insane. Penny-Arcade has been having lots of fun with this moron.

FngKestrel 12-23-2005 08:18 AM

If you're looking for a better or more coherent advocate than Jack Thompson, you can easily find it in Assemblyman Leland Yee. He formulated AB 1179, which prevents the sale of violent video games to minors. I have my own issues with that law, but you can hear about his position and the position of Mike Antonucci, a San Jose Mercury columnist who puts it very well when he says that he doesn't agree with the law, but he has issue with the industry running around without self-restraint.

hulk 12-24-2005 02:36 AM

Considering Walmart won't carry any AO-rated games, theere's plenty of reason to restrain from going too far over the top. The ESRB in the US has the power to stop a title from becoming hugely successful and it does so in a manner that is about as nuetral as one can get. Also considering that 92% of the time parents are present when the games are purchased or rented, one wonders why all the bother?

Da Munk 12-24-2005 03:48 AM

I'd have to agree with Jack Thompson being an asshat. He screams about the evils of a medium he doesn't understand, places blame where it doesn't belong, advocates our government playing babysitter to compensate for lazy and irresponsible parents, and responds to criticism with temper tantrums like a petulant child. Yup, definitely an asshat.

Carno 12-24-2005 08:30 AM

Hahahaha this guy cracks me up.. A second Pearl Harbor?? LOL

He is way out there man... Wayyyyyy out there.

FngKestrel 12-24-2005 09:41 AM

Hulk: The problem being isn't that Wal-mart can affect the revenue stream, it's the fact that the video game industry adopts a rather haughty position when someone insinuates that they should tone it down a bit.

hulk 12-27-2005 03:24 AM

FngKestrel - Games are nothing compared to the violent impact of many cult films. Granted, these movies aren't in the mainstream, but they exist, and the anti-film activists have yet to hit the big time, much less any presidential candidate using it as an election platform. Games are new, strange, and therefore must be to blame for everything, but the industry disagrees, because it's frankly not true.

FngKestrel 12-27-2005 11:38 AM

Hulk- Absolutely. I have no disagreement there. In fact, in the Ethics and Gaming discussion I attended a few weeks back, one of the panelists did repeatedly bring up the point that while video games are being targeted as the enemy du jour, mainstream entertainment such as TV and films should be examined in more detail because of their ubiquity.

The haughty attitude that I refer to is mainly the kneejerk reaction in the press reports of companies if there's ever the insinuation that they did something wrong.

japhyryder 12-27-2005 05:08 PM

He is just so sad. Maybe if he had games growning up we would be playing them and not complaining about them.


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