What should be done about cheating? - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

skinnedmink · 04-29-2003, 02:15 PM

What do you think should be done about cheating on a online game?
I wish to use CS as an example here. So, hypothitically I get on CS with hacks and the server realizes it. They ban me. What has been accomplished? Nothing. Why? Because I can choose another server from the other 2,000 servers. This is why cheating hasn't stopped.
So the question is what should be done to truly end online cheating?

WhoaitsZ · 04-29-2003, 02:23 PM

the only things i can think of is to be diligent when you report these people and hope their ISP gets banned.

Cynthetiq · 04-29-2003, 02:36 PM

nothing.. let those people who want to cheat cheat... and those that want to play fairly play fairly. state the rules on the server and be done with it. if you can't play by the rules, then you shouldn't play at all.

live and let live.

wolfman101 · 04-29-2003, 02:54 PM

That is only CS.

Pretty much every other online game has less than 1000 servers total, which means maybe 100 or less that will be acceptable to play on, and maybe 20-30 that will regularly have people playing on them. A ban in that situation is usually very bad as eventually you will run out of servers

TerresqueÜ · 04-29-2003, 03:53 PM

The good thing is that Blizzard is trying to do stuff about hacks with more recent games, the old games are already waaaay to flooded to do anything about. In WCIII if you suspect an opponent of using a map hack or some hack of the sort then you can save the replay and send it to Blizzard officials. After they review the map the persons IP can be banned from battle.net's servers. And then you say, "Huttah!"

And also you can help prevent at home, if you know someone who uses hacks, KICK HIS ASS!

Mr.Deflok · 04-29-2003, 04:09 PM

MOH:AA had some severe ones, I'd get off the boat at Omaha and I'd get snipered with a garand, that's bullshit! And it'd happen every time... unfortunately there's not much we can do about it.

Lamers and Haxors need to be shot.

GakFace · 04-29-2003, 06:45 PM

you know the best method? Own the cheaters... Nothing pisses a cheater off more than you getting them a coupla times... combine that with smack talk and they'll leave soon

LaZy · 04-30-2003, 01:18 AM

i don't mind cheaters in CS. i consider it a challenge. cheaters are players with no talent anyway, just cuz they can see thru a wall doesn't usually help them much. they still have to hit you. unless they have an aimbot.....bastards. kill'em all i say!!!!!

Boris37 · 04-30-2003, 10:18 AM

i love talking trash on cheaters, my one good freind knows how to cheat amazingly since he is a programmer, he hates cheaters too so when he sees one in a game he cheats, but only against that player until that player leaves, it really is funny to see it happen, not to mention he is one of the best trash talkers i have ever seen. i only wish i knew how to get the best of cheaters like that

ManWithAPlan · 04-30-2003, 04:04 PM

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Originally posted by WhoaitsZ
the only things i can think of is to be diligent when you report these people and hope their ISP gets banned.

wont happen, cheating isnt illegal really, it just is against the EULA.....

skinnedmink · 04-30-2003, 06:38 PM

I never knew that cheating was against the EULA. Damn, better start reading that before I sign my life away to the devil.

Really though, A person who cheats is still playing the game and from a developers standpoint I would think that they would be reluctant in trying to condemn cheating because that could lower the fan base.

juanvaldes · 04-30-2003, 06:57 PM

Burn them.

MSD · 04-30-2003, 07:06 PM

CS:
admin_slap [name of lamer]
admin_chicken [other team]

Slap the jerk down to 1 health, then send a flock of angry chickens at him. He won't be having much fun if you do it every time he spawns.

BBtB · 04-30-2003, 11:56 PM

That problem is mostly a CS issue. I also saw it some but not much on MoH:AA. Really the best thing you can do is just ignore it and remember they are mostly just ruining their games. I havn't seen it much in Raven Shield. I also normally play real late at night though.. Cheaters are normally 10 year olds with bed times.

strife · 04-30-2003, 11:58 PM

If server admins uploaded their ban logs, and dl'd the blacklist for hlguard on a fairly regular basis, that would help hackers lose out on stuff to do.

Or rebind all of their keys; i.e. bind "mouse1" "drop" or "kill", stuff like that. Piss them off enough to leave, just make sure you are able to ban them too.

imo, hackers will always be around.

Dominic · 11-22-2006, 03:08 AM

hey does any 1 no any relli good site to get PS2 cheats ??

MPower · 11-22-2006, 02:40 PM

Theres a cheater right there. We caught one!

JStrider · 11-25-2006, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dominic

hey does any 1 no any relli good site to get PS2 cheats ??

http://pwned.nl/

surferlove007 · 11-25-2006, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JStrider

http://pwned.nl/

Haha, so true :-p

Plaid13 · 11-27-2006, 05:24 AM

I dunno about all online games but i personaly just play red orcestra on steam for a fps game and i havnt seen any cheaters at all in it. First game i can say that for. Ever since valve got its anti cheat system working and updated its pretty much done away with cheats in the newer fps games. They get the steam account banned so they need to go out and buy another game if they want to play again. It seems to work really well.

biznatch · 12-03-2006, 10:40 AM

The worst thing is when you're accused of cheating when you're not (on CS). I've had that happen to me several times, and the admins changed my keys, so that my firing button would drop the gun, slapped me, and other stuff.

I think cheaters should be reported to Steam, and have their account blocked, with a 20 dollar fee.
If they really wanna play again, they can, but having 20 dollars less in your pocket would probably make you think twice before you tried cheating again.
Oh, and welcome, Dominic. I encourage you to read the forum rules, and introduce yourself in Tilted Newbies.

MSD · 12-15-2006, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by TerresqueÜ

The good thing is that Blizzard is trying to do stuff about hacks with more recent games, the old games are already waaaay to flooded to do anything about.

You can tell when they're doing mass bannings on Diablo II, all of the battle.net servers lag to the point that the game is unplayable because of their horrendous programming.

DaElf · 12-17-2006, 02:04 AM

I play enemy territory. There are a number of cheaters on there. I play competitively and even in the higher up brackets there are cheaters. It's funny when we scrim these teams and they have these "legends" shooting 50% accuracy throwing perfectly timed nades around corners. Then LAN time comes and they say they are "going on vacation" or some other lame excuse every year. Oh man it makes me laugh. In gaming don't believe anything you see until you see it on LAN.

I've also seen the other side though. I've been banned from 5 servers in less than an hour for "hacking". I've never even tried a cheat in any game besides some racing game and I just wanted to try the viper then I uninstalled.

ObieX · 12-17-2006, 02:43 PM

0energy0 · 12-17-2006, 10:18 PM

can't that guy sue?

YaWhateva · 12-17-2006, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 0energy0

can't that guy sue?

my thoughts exactly. It's not like the guys could argue in court saying, "oh well he cheated at a video game so we were in the right to ruin the defendants $2000 computer."

biznatch · 12-18-2006, 03:38 AM

LOL, somehow I don't feel as bad as I should for the cheater, but seeing that nice machine reduced to bits made me cringe.

BigGov · 12-18-2006, 04:23 AM

Staged? What?

DaElf · 12-19-2006, 10:22 AM

I don't know about this particular LAN but at most LANs you have to sign a waver before going in saying that if you stuff is broke, lost or stolen it's not their responsibility. This kids stuff was broke and he probably got his ass kicked. I've heard of people pulling guns on other people for cheating at LANs. Cheating frustrates a lot of people to an extreme level over the internet. If said people catch you in the real world no doubt they will take out all that frustration from over the years on your computer and probably your ass.

biznatch · 12-19-2006, 12:02 PM

LOL, I can picture it right now, a gamer nerd pulling out his "four four " because the other player hacks.

FuriousAvatar · 12-28-2006, 10:19 PM

God, I remember playing Diablo back in the day. Fun game, but horrendous to play online. There was no way you could survive without cheats for more than a few moments.

In any case, Valve has upped the ante on dealing with cheaters. Unfortunately there are still many games out there that are highly fun, but boast a lesser anti-cheat system. As said before, the only thing we can really do is report them when found, and hope that you won't see them again.

Willy · 01-13-2007, 11:31 AM

I always played Diablo single-player because that was the only way to actually play the real game. I don't understand why people cheat on video games. Isn't beating the game the reason for playing it? And if you cheated then you didn't really beat it right? It's just pathetic.

Nerojb · 01-31-2007, 02:06 PM

every online game has cheaters...people that are too lazy to be properly lazy...seriously...you are too lazy to actually play the game...that's weak. Someone already suggested it but the best way is to work them over and over until they get fed up and quit...even if they have cheated to the point where you cant kill them I have an answer. Run up to them let them kill you and just keep doing that to annoy them until they log of. It works

biznatch · 01-31-2007, 02:31 PM

This is why I love Steam. Get their SteamID, show some proof of cheating to Steam, they get their whole account blocked, permanently. If they wanna play again, they have to buy the games again.

Darth_Kettch · 01-31-2007, 03:25 PM

Don't know much about FPSs, but I found the WCIII way of dealing with cheaters quite satisfactory (send in a replay)

04-29-2003, 02:15 PM	#1 (permalink)
skinnedmink Banned	What should be done about cheating? What do you think should be done about cheating on a online game? I wish to use CS as an example here. So, hypothitically I get on CS with hacks and the server realizes it. They ban me. What has been accomplished? Nothing. Why? Because I can choose another server from the other 2,000 servers. This is why cheating hasn't stopped. So the question is what should be done to truly end online cheating?

04-29-2003, 02:36 PM	#3 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Location: Manhattan, NY	nothing.. let those people who want to cheat cheat... and those that want to play fairly play fairly. state the rules on the server and be done with it. if you can't play by the rules, then you shouldn't play at all. live and let live. __________________ I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not. What's the best nation in the world? DO-NATION!

04-29-2003, 03:53 PM	#5 (permalink)
TerresqueÜ Hiding Out	The good thing is that Blizzard is trying to do stuff about hacks with more recent games, the old games are already waaaay to flooded to do anything about. In WCIII if you suspect an opponent of using a map hack or some hack of the sort then you can save the replay and send it to Blizzard officials. After they review the map the persons IP can be banned from battle.net's servers. And then you say, "Huttah!" And also you can help prevent at home, if you know someone who uses hacks, KICK HIS ASS! __________________ Say yes to the 'Tilted Roleplaying' Forum http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1932&highlight=petition

04-29-2003, 06:45 PM	#7 (permalink)
GakFace Go Ninja, Go Ninja Go!! Location: IN, USA	you know the best method? Own the cheaters... Nothing pisses a cheater off more than you getting them a coupla times... combine that with smack talk and they'll leave soon __________________ RoboBlaster: Welcome to the club! Not that I'm in the club. And there really isn'a a club in the first place. But if there was a club and if I was in it, I would definitely welcome you to it.

04-30-2003, 01:18 AM	#8 (permalink)
LaZy Crazy Location: AZ	i don't mind cheaters in CS. i consider it a challenge. cheaters are players with no talent anyway, just cuz they can see thru a wall doesn't usually help them much. they still have to hit you. unless they have an aimbot.....bastards. kill'em all i say!!!!! __________________ Ideas pull the trigger, but instinct loads the gun. I know who you are!

04-29-2003, 02:23 PM	#2 (permalink)
WhoaitsZ Crazy Location: right behind you...	the only things i can think of is to be diligent when you report these people and hope their ISP gets banned.

04-29-2003, 02:54 PM	#4 (permalink)
wolfman101 Upright	That is only CS. Pretty much every other online game has less than 1000 servers total, which means maybe 100 or less that will be acceptable to play on, and maybe 20-30 that will regularly have people playing on them. A ban in that situation is usually very bad as eventually you will run out of servers

04-29-2003, 04:09 PM	#6 (permalink)
Mr.Deflok Blood + Fire Location: New Zealand	MOH:AA had some severe ones, I'd get off the boat at Omaha and I'd get snipered with a garand, that's bullshit! And it'd happen every time... unfortunately there's not much we can do about it. Lamers and Haxors need to be shot.

04-30-2003, 10:18 AM	#9 (permalink)
Boris37 Crazy	i love talking trash on cheaters, my one good freind knows how to cheat amazingly since he is a programmer, he hates cheaters too so when he sees one in a game he cheats, but only against that player until that player leaves, it really is funny to see it happen, not to mention he is one of the best trash talkers i have ever seen. i only wish i knew how to get the best of cheaters like that __________________ Fear attracts the fearful....

04-30-2003, 06:38 PM	#11 (permalink)
skinnedmink Banned	I never knew that cheating was against the EULA. Damn, better start reading that before I sign my life away to the devil. Really though, A person who cheats is still playing the game and from a developers standpoint I would think that they would be reluctant in trying to condemn cheating because that could lower the fan base. Last edited by skinnedmink; 04-30-2003 at 06:44 PM..

04-30-2003, 06:57 PM	#12 (permalink)
juanvaldes Banned Location: shittown, CA	Burn them.

04-30-2003, 07:06 PM	#13 (permalink)
MSD The sky calls to us ... Super Moderator Location: CT	CS: admin_slap [name of lamer] admin_chicken [other team] Slap the jerk down to 1 health, then send a flock of angry chickens at him. He won't be having much fun if you do it every time he spawns.

04-30-2003, 11:56 PM	#14 (permalink)
BBtB ClerkMan! Location: Tulsa, Ok.	That problem is mostly a CS issue. I also saw it some but not much on MoH:AA. Really the best thing you can do is just ignore it and remember they are mostly just ruining their games. I havn't seen it much in Raven Shield. I also normally play real late at night though.. Cheaters are normally 10 year olds with bed times. __________________ Meridae'n once played "death" at a game of chess that lasted for over two years. He finally beat death in a best 34 out of 67 match. At that time he could ask for any one thing and he could wish for the hope of all mankind... he looked death right in the eye and said ... "I would like about three fiddy"

04-30-2003, 11:58 PM	#15 (permalink)
strife Insane Location: Chi-Town	If server admins uploaded their ban logs, and dl'd the blacklist for hlguard on a fairly regular basis, that would help hackers lose out on stuff to do. Or rebind all of their keys; i.e. bind "mouse1" "drop" or "kill", stuff like that. Piss them off enough to leave, just make sure you are able to ban them too. imo, hackers will always be around. __________________ You are what you love, not what loves you. strife

11-22-2006, 03:08 AM	#16 (permalink)
Dominic Upright	hey does any 1 no any relli good site to get PS2 cheats ??

12-17-2006, 02:43 PM	#24 (permalink)
ObieX Pickles Location: Shirt and Pants (NJ)	<object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/1CFrwhsfYjY"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/1CFrwhsfYjY" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object> __________________ We Must Dissent.

11-22-2006, 02:40 PM	#17 (permalink)
MPower Psycho	Theres a cheater right there. We caught one!

11-27-2006, 05:24 AM	#20 (permalink)
Plaid13 I want a Plaid crayon	I dunno about all online games but i personaly just play red orcestra on steam for a fps game and i havnt seen any cheaters at all in it. First game i can say that for. Ever since valve got its anti cheat system working and updated its pretty much done away with cheats in the newer fps games. They get the steam account banned so they need to go out and buy another game if they want to play again. It seems to work really well.

12-03-2006, 10:40 AM	#21 (permalink)
biznatch Junkie Location: France	The worst thing is when you're accused of cheating when you're not (on CS). I've had that happen to me several times, and the admins changed my keys, so that my firing button would drop the gun, slapped me, and other stuff. I think cheaters should be reported to Steam, and have their account blocked, with a 20 dollar fee. If they really wanna play again, they can, but having 20 dollars less in your pocket would probably make you think twice before you tried cheating again. Oh, and welcome, Dominic. I encourage you to read the forum rules, and introduce yourself in Tilted Newbies. Last edited by biznatch; 12-06-2006 at 05:18 PM..

12-17-2006, 02:04 AM	#23 (permalink)
DaElf Tilted Location: Washington	I play enemy territory. There are a number of cheaters on there. I play competitively and even in the higher up brackets there are cheaters. It's funny when we scrim these teams and they have these "legends" shooting 50% accuracy throwing perfectly timed nades around corners. Then LAN time comes and they say they are "going on vacation" or some other lame excuse every year. Oh man it makes me laugh. In gaming don't believe anything you see until you see it on LAN. I've also seen the other side though. I've been banned from 5 servers in less than an hour for "hacking". I've never even tried a cheat in any game besides some racing game and I just wanted to try the viper then I uninstalled. __________________ I'm sitting at my desk right now waiting for you to reply to the above message. Last edited by DaElf; 12-17-2006 at 02:07 AM..

12-17-2006, 10:18 PM	#25 (permalink)
0energy0 Insane Location: Title Town, USA	can't that guy sue? __________________ Is the juice worth the squeeze?

12-18-2006, 03:38 AM	#27 (permalink)
biznatch Junkie Location: France	LOL, somehow I don't feel as bad as I should for the cheater, but seeing that nice machine reduced to bits made me cringe.

12-18-2006, 04:23 AM	#28 (permalink)
BigGov WoW or Class... Location: UWW	Staged? What? __________________ One day an Englishman, a Scotsman, and an Irishman walked into a pub together. They each bought a pint of Guinness. Just as they were about to enjoy their creamy beverage, three flies landed in each of their pints. The Englishman pushed his beer away in disgust. The Scotsman fished the fly out of his beer and continued drinking it, as if nothing had happened. The Irishman, too, picked the fly out of his drink but then held it out over the beer and yelled "SPIT IT OUT, SPIT IT OUT, YOU BASTARD!"

12-19-2006, 10:22 AM	#29 (permalink)
DaElf Tilted Location: Washington	I don't know about this particular LAN but at most LANs you have to sign a waver before going in saying that if you stuff is broke, lost or stolen it's not their responsibility. This kids stuff was broke and he probably got his ass kicked. I've heard of people pulling guns on other people for cheating at LANs. Cheating frustrates a lot of people to an extreme level over the internet. If said people catch you in the real world no doubt they will take out all that frustration from over the years on your computer and probably your ass. __________________ I'm sitting at my desk right now waiting for you to reply to the above message.

12-19-2006, 12:02 PM	#30 (permalink)
biznatch Junkie Location: France	LOL, I can picture it right now, a gamer nerd pulling out his "four four " because the other player hacks. __________________ Check it out: The Open Source/Freeware/Gratis Software Thread

12-28-2006, 10:19 PM	#31 (permalink)
FuriousAvatar Crazy Location: Juneau, Alaska	God, I remember playing Diablo back in the day. Fun game, but horrendous to play online. There was no way you could survive without cheats for more than a few moments. In any case, Valve has upped the ante on dealing with cheaters. Unfortunately there are still many games out there that are highly fun, but boast a lesser anti-cheat system. As said before, the only thing we can really do is report them when found, and hope that you won't see them again.

01-13-2007, 11:31 AM	#32 (permalink)
Willy Insane	I always played Diablo single-player because that was the only way to actually play the real game. I don't understand why people cheat on video games. Isn't beating the game the reason for playing it? And if you cheated then you didn't really beat it right? It's just pathetic.

01-31-2007, 02:06 PM	#33 (permalink)
Nerojb Upright	every online game has cheaters...people that are too lazy to be properly lazy...seriously...you are too lazy to actually play the game...that's weak. Someone already suggested it but the best way is to work them over and over until they get fed up and quit...even if they have cheated to the point where you cant kill them I have an answer. Run up to them let them kill you and just keep doing that to annoy them until they log of. It works

01-31-2007, 02:31 PM	#34 (permalink)
biznatch Junkie Location: France	This is why I love Steam. Get their SteamID, show some proof of cheating to Steam, they get their whole account blocked, permanently. If they wanna play again, they have to buy the games again.

01-31-2007, 03:25 PM	#35 (permalink)
Darth_Kettch Insane Location: Norway	Don't know much about FPSs, but I found the WCIII way of dealing with cheaters quite satisfactory (send in a replay)