89transam

Anyone play? Any advice for a Noob?

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Stare At The Sun

I would like to know as well...

Mojo_PeiPei

Really fun game...

My advice to you if your playing for money is as follows

-Don't always pay to see the flop, espcially if you don't like your cards
-Work out a system of when you will play the flop. I tend to play with Ace anything, K/Q/J with a 7 or better, also if you are suited it could be to your advantage to see the flop. If you are the blind (where you ante) always see the flop since you are already in.
-If you pay to see the flop and you don't have anything, fold right there, no use in wasting money if you are already down.

Basically I would play tight, remember you play the cards because you think you have the best hand.

Be mindful of how other people are betting, watch the cards when they fall and watch how people check/bet/ or raise. If the first person checks you can assume either 1. They don't have dick or 2. they are trying to make you think they don't have dick, that way they will raise you when you bet.

If people are checking around, It might be in your interest to bet, see if you can muscle them out. Remember you bet for two reasons 1) to make people fold 2) to increase the pot.

This is what I have learned by going to the card house. Remember though it isn't JUST knowing what to do or JUST getting the cards... Its knowing what to do when you get the cards.

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89transam

Thanks. Good advice. I have been playing the free games over at party poker.com and watching a bunch of the pay games. After some more reading and watching I might take the plunge.

micah67

I've been playing over at party poker, too (same handle if you run across me). Be careful learning by playing the free games; people don't play the same when it's not real money.

Toughest night to get on a table seems to be Wednesday, probably because of "World Poker Tour" on TV.

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89transam

Yeah for sure, thats why ive been trying to watch real games also. I mean people on the free games just raise like crazy all the way to the river card and sometimes they have nothing.

Gortexfogg

OOo, I hate this game. It's fun and all that but it takes so much money. I played it at casino night two days ago and lost all my chips in no time. And there's so much bluffing in that game too... at least it wasn't real money.

dvorak

my advice: use resources on the net and in books to learn some probability and other related gambling theory. learn basic strategy. then learn how to bluff and read your opponents.

you won't win if you don't know what makes a good hand.

Kurant

Hold em is mad fun. Where do you guys play at online? If you play on line at all? I usually just play on Yahoo, but it's old and boring, and pretty weak stakes.. =(

Ramega

Play, play, play, play, play. I play a few times a week online (ultimatebet.com) and a couple times a month with friends. We host tournaments about every other month.

Play online for free for a while, but understand that people play differently when nothing is on the line. You can play $.01/$.02 blinds on ultimatebet.com, so even if you get rolled you only lose a buck or two. I highly recommend starting there.

Also, watch the World Poker Tour on TV. Mike Sexton knows what he's talking about, and you'll learn a lot. If you want a good book, Doyle Brunson's Super System is supposed to be one of the best. But it's $50.

Also, UB has $3 tournaments on Saturday mornings. If you win that tournament you get a seat at the next level. If you win *that*, you get a free trip to Aruba.

Play, play, play, play.....

Sparhawk

I've been playing this game a LOT the last two months, and I'd like to echo the advice of the guy saying to just play and get more experience. I play in a 20$ buy-in game that starts with pretty low blinds and no antes, and goes up as the game goes on.

My advice for Holdem is to never go into a game with money you aren't ready to lose. I've spent the last month developing a reputation as a solid, tight player that only raises when he has the nuts, which has given me the freedom to do a lot more bluffing the last couple of game nights.

That being said, let me relate my last poker hand:

I was on the button, sitting on pocket 10s. Little did I know that the small blind was looking at A-K suited, and big was staring at A-10. So a big pre-flop for everyone. I raise 5 times the big blind (it being in the late stage, and me wanting to steal the blinds with my pocket pair), and everyone calls (slightly to my dismay). The flop comes 5-A-10, making my set, but there's a flush draw on the table that makes me a little nervous. I look at the other stacks and see that we're all at basically the same amount, and decide to go for it, so after mister two-pair raises it 10 bucks I just say all-in.

I definitely wasn't expecting the other two to call, but given what they had, I might have called as well. Mister A-K had his pair of aces in addition to a gutshot flush draw, and Mister A-10 had nailed a two pair on the flop - once we all flipped there were wide eyes all around.

The turn came with diamond 5, helping no one, and destroying A-K's chance at a flush, which brought a sigh of relief to me, but there was still a very slight chance the river could come with the only card left in the deck that could beat me - that final ace.

The dealer pauses to up the drama of the moment I guess (the a-hole!), and finally lays down a 7, giving me the whole pot and the other two players' stacks. I was a very happy man =)

The other two didn't leave too pissed, as they both placed in the money as well. Anyway, a great night for good ol' Texas Hold'em.

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CBlend

I love that Celebrity Poker Showdown show on Bravo, it's great.

Thanks to those who mentioned sites, I will check them out later.

oblar

i love this game.. never really did much with it until i started watching it on television (WPT), but i think texas hold'em uses a lot more skill than many other forms of poker.

I really dislike 5 card draw. It seems to me if you throw in wilds (which most I play around do.. some of them even go so far as 2 wild cards) then you get many insanely good hands, but if you do no wilds (my preferred way) then usually a pair beats out everyone.

with texas hold'em.. there are only 2 cards you dont know and that allows for more bluffing and the whole experience seems much more fulfilling.

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BigGov

1) Buy this book! It's not an option!

2) Find live poker games. Online is completely worthless and virtually just statistics. It pales, hell it's transparent, compared to the real thing.

3) Figure out if you want to play limit or no-limit. They are two completely different animals, if you decide to play both at least treat them differently. Personally I take a very, VERY conservative angle on limit poker because when I play limit games with friends I know they are liable to call any bluff because the limit isn't huge and odds are the pot will be big enough they'll want a shot. If you play conservative against friends they will soon start laying down limit hands against you if they realize you almost always have the nuts or at least a monster. You can use that for your advantage later on

No-limit is the complete opposite for me. I bluff far too much, but get away with it far too often. Along with the fact I play so conservative in limit games people are afraid I might have something, I also bet the exact same if I'm bluffing or if I have the nuts. It hard to guess what I have, and when I bluff, people oftentimes can't tell.

4) Pour money into it like you want to win. In order to win, you need to be able to sustain some heavy losses. I've spent weeks where I was down $100. That's fine. Why? Because I realize that it will turn around. After I was down $100, the next game I won over $30 in two hands because I was dealt bullets in back-to-back hands. You have a .45% chance of being dealt aces. Back-to-back aces? .002025%. That will never happen again. This weekend, I had a pocket pair and got four of a kind by fourth street three times this weekend. THREE TIMES. I can't calculate the odds of that, but I know they're about as slim. A bad weekend can't turn you off poker. If it does, then don't play.

5) Never, NEVER, few chips as money. It will only cause problems. Chips are just a device that allows you to gain more chips. You need to be able to easily throw out 10 chips on a hand you have confidence in, you could have trouble throwing out say $10 on a hand you're confident.

6) Get a stone face, and keep it through thick and thin. For example the first hand when I had pocket bullets during that winning $30 was the worst I've felt during hold 'em ever. Why? Because we were screwing around a little bit before and I got around to making the max bet, now we joke around a bit, but you don't call the max bet unless you have something. I had three callers. Inside I'm jumping up and down on tacks. I'm unbelieveably happy that I have the best starting hand in poker and I know deep down that I'm facing three possible monster hands while I hold a hand that I'd couldn't let go in a 150 MPH hurricane. The flop comes down jack-5-9 no flush possibility. The max bet is placed before me and everyone calls. Inside I'm jumping as if I'm on the moon with super balls glued to my feet. I know the only thing that could beat me are matched pockets and two pair, and I know that pocket jacks are the only possible hand these guys would be holding out of those, and I highly doubt anyone's holding it. The next card came, and it was the one card I didn't want to see. I'd have taken any other card in the deck, I didn't care, but it was the one card that scared me and it just came out on fourth street just laughing in my face. The fucking jack comes out and during that peak of the jump on the moon with superballs on my feet and all of a suddent 5 feet tall spikes that are covered in poision shoot up from the ground. The odds of anyone holding two jacks? No, not possible. I know these guys, they can't. One jack? They called the max bet before the flop. That means they had a damn good hand, which includes J-10, Q-J, K-J, A-J. Deep down I have the feeling that one of those three HAS to have a jack. Considering all the top hands, about half of them contain a jack considering I'm holding two aces. Meanwhile, I'm holding the second best hand possible, and as long as no one holds one of those two cards, I win easily. One decides to fold, so three people including myself put down the max bet. The last card is a 4. We play a loose game of poker and even though I can act last, I can't take it any longer. I've been through hell already, so I just say fuck it. Throw the max bet out there and tell my friends that's what it's going to be. One folds, one calls. He shows pocket queens, and I still can't feel good. I know I've won, I know I escaped those two fucking jacks, but I still can't feel good, I show my hand, rake in $28, hear that the other two guys had A-K. I'm not even close to recovering when I get the next hand, which is pocket aces again. I wait for the flop, throw out the max bet, and thank god no one will call. I could not have gone through that twice.

Meanwhile, during that entire time, my face didn't change. I was much like Chris Moneymaker when he made the bluff last year at the world series. I looked emotionless after the turn, meanwhile I knew one of the guys who had A-K didn't have a jack right off the bat just from his reaction. If it was heads up against him I could have easily milked money out of him, but against 3 people it is completely different, and as a poker player you need to be ready for that.

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luser2002

I've been playing for a couple of years - breaking even for the most part in low limit online and brick and mortar games. The fastest way to improve your game is to read some of the excellent hold'em theory and practical books out there - i started with Poker for Dummies, that covers all the basics and will introduce you to the way the game progresses. Once you know the basics of the game, some of the best books available are Kreiger's Hold 'Em Excellence, and Sklansky's Theory of Poker and Hold 'Em Poker.

The book that Jimmy4 recommends above, Brunson's Super System, is a seminal work in Poker writing. However, it's directed at a specific target market - players who will be playing for generally large money in agressive games. At low limit tables, whether in the real world or on the internet, the "plays" that Brunson discusses are not as effective, because calling will occur much more often.

Stick to the fundamentals - you can play $0.50 - $1.00 tables at Party Poker or Paradise Poker for quite some time without losing a great deal of money, and generally if you play tight clean textbook poker you'll be just fine. A lot of players have great difficulty with the patience necessary to play poker well even at the most basic level, and you can take advantage of that.

minusthesoul

Jimmy4, I had a recent expierience like #4 (four of a kinds). I knocked two players out of tournament that way. Probably won't happen again for a long long while.

My advice is to know who your playing. Everybody has a weakness in their game. And also stay away from speculative hands against hyper-aggressive players that bet every hand. They could have anything and you're just going to give yourself trouble.

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cheeterbo

the only way you will start to be good at the game is to lose as much as possible and remember how you lost.

play as much as possible with real people, not on the computer. with real people, you can learn faster and better.

in the beginning, the best advice is to play extremely conservative. know how many out cards you need. know the pot odds.

there are many books on the game. read them and play as much as possible.

NoSoup

I too have played at partypoker.com -

Remember, although you can't read people's expressions, you can still learn to bluff. If you play "tight" consistantly, it is likely you can bluff them out of a hand or two before they catch on.

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Spanxxx

Great game. Just play often. Read some of the theory books, and then practice practice practice.

Pokerstars
Partypoker
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ParadisePoker

...there are tons of sites. Play for free for quite awhile until you have a good feel for hands and the like before foraying into the real money games is my advice.

..as for playing in real life. casinos and the like? it's stellar. Get to know your opponents (not literally). Watch them and listen to them. Pay attention when you are no longer in a hand. Watch how they react, play, bet, and what they play.

All in all, play Tight and Aggressive. Know when to fold. and fold often. I've learned that it costs a lot of money to find out the guy wasn't bluffing.

Enjoy.

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Soda_BoB

Yeah I like poker..I'm kind of an amateur but what I've picked up is..
-compare the odds of getting the cards you need on the flop, and how much is in the pot, and see if it's really worth the money
-very rarely bluff, it can always end up badly, and a person who has a reputation for not bluffing, can bluff easier

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jaco

My advice would be to ignore anyone who thinks they know everything about hold-em. In a tournament, anything can and will happen. Just practice and learn not to be attached to the money.

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BigGov

Unless you're talking to Amerillo, Brunson, Helmuth, Chan, Nygen, Caro, etc.

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minusthesoul

Another thing I want to add is that you should learn to play other poker games like omaha, razz, stud, and draw because they can be just as much fun as hold'em and you might be better at them

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yatzr

me and some friends in my dorm played 6 nights out of the week for awhile. nobody really dominated so everybody pretty much got their money back in the long run. We also came up with a new terminology for the game. If the next hand's dealer won this hand's pot...he is considered the douche. This came about from us waiting for the guy to shuffle and he took forever to organize all his new chips and someone said something like "quit messin with your chips and just shuffle the deck you douche". It just stuck from there and we use it all the time. I'd like you all to spread this terminology .

Also, the best strategy is to have no strategy. I've seen first timers smoke 2-3 year vets because they don't really know what their doing and the vet has no idea what they're gonna do. Whenever you start becoming predictable is when you will start losing.

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BigGov

NO! Horrible, horrible, HORRIBLE idea.

If you want to poker over a long period of time, this is not the way to go.

I know friends who play like that, he goes down $100 in a bad week, down $20 in a good week.

Throwing money around carelessly gets you no-where, fast. You can be lucky one night, you can be lucky for one week, you won't be lucky for one whole lifetime.

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Sparhawk

HA-HA! Will do

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ForwardtoDeath

My best piece of advice for someone who is new to hold-em is to not slowplay your cards very often, unless you are 99 percent confident that you will win the pot. While slowplaying is a good way to get more money out of your opponent, it is also a good way to get absolutely crushed by someone on a draw. And in hold-em, its better to take down a small pot than to lose in a big one. When I first started playing, i was big on slowplaying my cards, however i quickly learned that this was not the best strategy except for certain cases.

BigGov

Slowplaying is very difficult to do correctly.

The thing you want to do when you flop a monster is to keep out the hands that can beat you.

For example, if you flop a straight with two of the cards out there being of the same suit, you want to be enough to get the flush draws out, but keep those with one or two pair in.

If you flop a low three of a kind, you might want to consider buying the pot right there. I've seen people being beat on bigger full houses because they tried slow playing a set.

The exception is if you have a hand like bullets and the flop comes 3-A-3. On a hand like this you will most likely get the most money by checking all the way through hoping they get a hand and then betting a decent amount on the river.

Four-of-a-kind is the hardest hand to play in my opinion, because you're trying to figure out how to keep your opponent in the pot for the most amount of money.

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corybmcfly

Totally agree with almost never slow-playing. I've been trying to teach my friends that for quite some time, and they just wont buy in. They'll brag about 1 big pot they win by slow playing, but forget about the 5 or 10 others they got outdrawn on. Unless you have the nuts, or very close with a very high unlikelyhood somebody else does, my philosophy is to get rid of them before they outdraw you.

Xothan

What I've learned about Hold-em?

Me + Alcohol + Hold-em = Broke...

Stay away from booze while your playing...it may sound like common sense, but when you friends take all your money in a "friendly game"...

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TheJeff

Ive been playing about 4 months now, both online and live. Here are a few pointers.

1 - Start playing online. It's FREE. It's a very easy way to learn the fundamentals. You can also try out new tricks with little consequence. Online isnt as fun as in person, but it is provides regular practice.

2 - If youre playing with friends, dont wear sunglasses. Seriously, you look retarded.

3 - Dont watch WSOP or WPT and think you can play after watching 2 episodes. They are better, and their strategy (short-handed and tourney) is different than yours.

4 - If youre sitting out a hand, still watch to see how and what people play.

5 - Bluffing very rarely works at low limits, play money or with more than 2 others. Beginners overestimate the importance of bluffing.

6 - Buy a book to help you develop your strategy. 2 tips for this: Brunson's SuperSystem should not be your first book, and Hellmuth's book is not good, especially for hold em. Other books mentioned in this thread are better.

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BigGov

I hate to tear ya apart, but I will on a couple.

1) People playing online for free isn't the best practice, you can't read people and the betting is just ridiculous.

2) Agreed, but it's a good distraction to get guys minds off the game. A good thing.

3) Yes. Agreed. Not the least bit wrong.

4) Yes. Agreed. Not the least bit wrong.

5) Somewhat. Low limit often depends on the opponent in which case it pays to play with a group of friends. It's much easier to bluff someone who you *know* is easily bluffed, than someone you *think* can be easily bluffed because of how much he bet online.

6) Super System is a decent book, maybe not for everyone though. The key thing though, get a book with statistics. Super System has some great statistics compiled by Mike Caro (another great author) which are crucial to poker. It's ok being out-played, it's pathetic to be out-statistic'ed.

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TheJeff

1 - If youre just starting out, like this guy said he was, playing for free online is the absolute easiest way to learn the strucutre and flow of the game. Is it the same as 30/60 B&M? No, but that wasnt his question. People play like crap at microlimits, but that doesnt mean it isnt good practice.

5 - I was referring to online play. With friends, its way easier to bluff. It's easier to bluff good players than it is bad players. It's easier to bluff 1 or 2 than 4 or 5.

6 - SuperSystem is good, especially since the price keeps dropping (SS2 is in the works). But it is not the first book you want to buy, if you are starting out.

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BigGov

1) It's pratice yes, I'm just not quite sure if I'd qualify it as good. It is better than nothing though for a newbie trying to learn the basics I guess.

5) Yes. Agreed. Not the least bit wrong.

6) Bah, opinion on both parts. As long as you don't follow Super System word for word it can be great because it shows some great examples about what can happen and if you sit down and think about them, your game will improve.

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wrongfullyaccuzd

I love this game! Going to a big tourney tonight at a friend's house.
Only advice once you learn the basics is never show your cards if you don't have to. For instance, if you're beat and you know it, don't show.
Everyone go play!

high_jinx

no one has really talked about position in this thread yet..... learn what the button is, then play timid and careful when you're in front of it (up to small blinds) and more aggressively for the hands on and a couple behind it. also, if one particular person has a huge stack of chips at the table make sure you sit close to his left so you almost always see how he bets first. people tend to like to bury you when they are way up on the nite

tinytim

http://www.twoplustwo.com/ This is the best online poker information hands down. Small stakes holdem is the new bible of, well small stakes holdem (limit ring games that is). The info available here has allowed me to work up to playing 4 2/4 games at once on pp and making about $15 an hour doing so. I hope to move up in limits again soon. In holdem you just need to be less bad than most of the other players at the table.

Herk

I was thinking the same thing about position. Nobody had mentioned it. I happen to think it's all about position. I've no credibility in live play but I play three $10 and one $30 tournies a week, and go to the casino every couple of weeks for the shootout. I find that you can do some amazing things with position.

For instance, the further you are from being on the button again the more action you'll see before it is your turn to act. This really gives you an edge on making an informed decision. If you are on the button and everybody folds to you, it is not a bad idea to throw out a large raise and buy the oregano(steal the blinds). But none the less, being the latest to act is definitely a huge benefit.

Another thing I do is: never look at my cards unless I have to act. It doesn't matter what I have nearly as much as it matters what everybody else has. Watch the other players, then when it is my turn to act, I'll look and make a decision accordingly.

Consistancy! Don't edit your style. Pick something and stick with it. It is much harder to read a person who doesn't make a lot of changes. Like, entering into the pot the same way every time. Always protect your pockets with chips, even if you are going to muck them when it is your turn. If you feel the need to fidget with things, like chip riffling, do it the same regardless of your hand. I read that is one of the most common tells, fidgetting differently.

Anyway, I'm no expert, just love the game, not as much as Omaha hi/lo though. Good luck.

Herk

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Nikilidstrom

First off, I play at party poker under the name Hootinani if anyone cares. I agree totally with everyone who says that play money games are a far cry from a real game. Most people just throw their "money" away in those games. Playing tight is definitely the key to those games.

I do disagree, however, that it is harder to read someone who plays the same all the time. On the contrary, if you read someone who plays the same all the time once, then you have their game down. Someone who changes up their betting, checks at odd times, etc... is much tougher to read. And if you do get lucky enough to make a call against someone like that, you can bet that the next time won't be played the same. The key is knowing when to make these adjustments, and that is the part of the game I'm still trying to get the hang of. I sometimes make play changes that seem good at the time, but three or four hands down the road (and half my stack later), I realize that it was the wrong time to try whatever I had tried. So far my best finish was second at a mini tourney at one of our local casinos. That was the only time I have finished in the money, outside of some home games.

Anywho, hope to see some of you guys on party poker sometime soon.

Herk

I think you've misunderstood my meaning. Playing consistantly allows you to throw in those slight variances you are referring to that throw people off. The problem that I refer to is when people unknowingly change their style of play bases on their hand. Lets be serious here, it would be more than foolish never to try to represent different hands differently.

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