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Rekna · 10-04-2009, 06:18 AM

That would be awesome. It would be even more awesome if the AI director 2.0 was used and the new specials would also spawn.

Radio Monk33 · 10-12-2009, 11:55 PM

Crash Course isn't doing much for me.

The map rounds are long..but succeptible to rage quitting.

They have tanks super consistently; i guess that's their way of making a "quick game".

The first round is super hard to pass if the infected are halfway competent. Too difficult for survivors imho.

So who's pre-ordered L4D2?

biznatch · 10-26-2009, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Radio Monk33

So who's pre-ordered L4D2?

I just did. The demo should be out very shortly for those who did...I'm very excited.
Anyone else?

Radio Monk33 · 10-27-2009, 10:59 PM

Finally...at something like 11:40 PST on Tuesday it FINALLY STARTS DOWNLOADING THE DEMO.

70%!!

ObieX · 10-28-2009, 02:41 AM

The demo is pretty fun so far.

I'm still not sure how i feel about zombies during the day. I thought the night time settings of the first Left 4 Dead were great and added a lot to the atmosphere of freaky spookiness.

I found the levels in the demo to be a bit more confusing than the original as to where to go and how to get places. There are arrows around to point you in the right direction but it was still kinda easy to get turned around and not know where i was going.

The new weapons are pretty good, i'd rather use a pistol than a melee weapon tho.

Having witches that wander will certainly spice things up a bit i think. A bit harder to avoid. The new special infected seem ok. The spitter has a lot of potential.

I absolutely LOVE all the gore in this version. When a zombie gets hit with a bullet there are nice bloody goopy wounds that open up where they're hit.

biznatch · 10-28-2009, 10:05 AM

Us PC users are still waiting. Valve really fucked us this time around.

filtherton · 10-28-2009, 03:24 PM

I think if anything is fucked, it is the overpowering sense of entitlement displayed by a passionate minority of PC gamers.

Shauk · 10-28-2009, 05:20 PM

I've read that line elsewhere, which makes me think you're parroting. don't be a parrot.

Gabbyness · 10-29-2009, 12:55 AM

Squaaaawkk!

filtherton · 10-29-2009, 02:53 AM

You've read PC gamers expressing their hyper-entitlement elsewhere? That's not shocking.

Shauk · 10-29-2009, 04:56 AM

no, just people trying to poke the angry mob with a stick by trying to downplay their concerns, whilst not contributing anything of value to the discussion at hand.

PC Gamers aren't as big a minority as some would think, I think piracy just takes a majority of them "off the grid" when it comes to figuring out the retail market.

So when they actually DO pay for something, I'm sure they'd like to feel rewarded and incentive for doing so.

I mean shit, WoW has like, what, 15 million players at this point? that doesn't sound like a minority to me.

*shrug* let em vent, it's the only therapy you can offer a gamer stuck without his game anyway.

Baraka_Guru · 10-29-2009, 05:10 AM

I don't see how a multi-billion-dollar market can be a minority at any rate....

Anywho....do we know that Steam intentionally gave preferential treatment to consoles, or was this a production issue?

biznatch · 10-29-2009, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru

I don't see how a multi-billion-dollar market can be a minority at any rate....

Anywho....do we know that Steam intentionally gave preferential treatment to consoles, or was this a production issue?

Oh, it wasn't preferential treatment to consoles. The release to XBox live was handled by Microsoft, I believe, it's just that Valve probably wanted to iron out a couple things before releasing it.
I was just angry, and being a whiny gamer.

To be honest, I was more pissed at the lack of communication by Valve than the delay. I would have been a lot more patient had they released a statement explaining the delay. Instead, they let gamers wait til a scheduled release time, get pissed that it wouldn't get released, then post another one, not release on time for that one, and kept doing that for over 24 hours.

Shauk · 10-29-2009, 09:55 AM

Well in the case of borderlands (different game i know, but still Steam related)

the game was out on consoles on the 20th, pc was delayed til the 26th. rabble rabble right? rumors abound, official statement was special PC optimizations, which aren't really apparent at all. others say it was a money grab to get as many console sales as they could before the pc version came out and got pirated.

well guess what happened, Steam had my preorder money for a week, and in that week, console gamers got to max up and beat the game, pirates obtained a reviewer copy before the game even came out on retail, completely absent of any copy protection/anti piracy. So they can play online because..

1. no official matchmaking service, they pawned it off to gamestop.
2. you don't even need a cd key to install it anyway and it doesn't check it apparently for any other purpose than start up.

essentially it sounds like the retail version with a no cd crack would be identical to the review copy.

I guess I got the game last, for being a good customer :\

filtherton · 10-29-2009, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Shauk

no, just people trying to poke the angry mob with a stick by trying to downplay their concerns, whilst not contributing anything of value to the discussion at hand.

PC Gamers aren't as big a minority as some would think, I think piracy just takes a majority of them "off the grid" when it comes to figuring out the retail market.

So when they actually DO pay for something, I'm sure they'd like to feel rewarded and incentive for doing so.

I mean shit, WoW has like, what, 15 million players at this point? that doesn't sound like a minority to me.

*shrug* let em vent, it's the only therapy you can offer a gamer stuck without his game anyway.

Thank you for "adding value" to the discussion by taking two whole posts to accuse me of not "adding value" to the discussion. I think I'll take your suggestion and show some sensitivity to the overly sensitive pewling coming from the churning litter of PC gamers who've been completely "fucked over" by Valve making a sequel to Left 4 Dead.

Also, I never said that PC gamers were a minority. I said a passionate minority of PC gamers had an overdeveloped sense of entitlement. I mean shit, I never realized that a likely awesome sequel to an awesome game could be something to get offended about. Now that I think about it, I'm pissed!!! I'm so pissed I'm going to complain on the internet and pretend like I'm not going to enjoy the fuck out of Left 4 Dead 2 when I finally get my hands on it!!!!!!

Rekna · 10-29-2009, 02:37 PM

So far it has been a blast. Are there any other 360 users that have the demo here?

biznatch · 10-29-2009, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by filtherton

Thank you for "adding value" to the discussion by taking two whole posts to accuse me of not "adding value" to the discussion. I think I'll take your suggestion and show some sensitivity to the overly sensitive pewling coming from the churning litter of PC gamers who've been completely "fucked over" by Valve making a sequel to Left 4 Dead.

Also, I never said that PC gamers were a minority. I said a passionate minority of PC gamers had an overdeveloped sense of entitlement. I mean shit, I never realized that a likely awesome sequel to an awesome game could be something to get offended about. Now that I think about it, I'm pissed!!! I'm so pissed I'm going to complain on the internet and pretend like I'm not going to enjoy the fuck out of Left 4 Dead 2 when I finally get my hands on it!!!!!!

Wow. When did I say I wasn't going to enjoy L4D 2? I started this very thread out of excitement for L4D2, even though it was mixed with surprise.
Take a freaking chill pill, here.

Shauk · 10-30-2009, 03:40 AM

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You've read PC gamers expressing their hyper-entitlement elsewhere? That's not shocking.

I mean to encounter a minority should be a rare thing, a bit more shocking i'd think, but to imply it's not shocking conveys to me that you classify more than just a minority of PC gamers as hyper-entitled.

silly thing to argue over really, I don't even really care for the L4D games, gave me a headache in less than 10 minutes, something about that particular FPS engine, I dunno.

All I'm saying is that squawking over the rabblerabble of expectations on public display is about as silly as the rabblerabble itself.

course, now i'm squawking over squawking about the rabblerabble, so I'm just as bad. drat. Oh well, taking one for the team.

filtherton · 10-30-2009, 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by biznatch

Wow. When did I say I wasn't going to enjoy L4D 2? I started this very thread out of excitement for L4D2, even though it was mixed with surprise.
Take a freaking chill pill, here.

I apologize if you got swept up in my generalizations. I got caught up reading comments on some online petition concerning the game in question and was commenting on those folks.

Shauk, I agree that squawking over squawking is squawking, but that's kind of the point of this place: to comment on things.

aberkok · 10-30-2009, 07:04 AM

Hey everyone. I am thinking of saving some dough by buying a L4D2 4-pack for PC. Cynthetiq mentioned he might be in for it, and I'm looking for 2 more folks to make it worthwhile. I did the math and it works out to about $34 each (so an $11 savings from pre-order, and a $16 savings from full price).

Anyone?

ironpham · 11-04-2009, 07:36 AM

Demo is open to everyone now in case anyone is interested. I played some last night. It's pretty fun. Really enjoyed the end of the second stage.

Ace_O_Spades · 11-05-2009, 06:34 AM

lots of sandy vagina in this thread. I was on the cusp of buying L4D when L4D2 was announced... Pre-ordered it a few days ago, have been playing the demo for a few days. Seems pretty fun. Only played 1 or 2 rounds of L4D so I feel like the purchase is entirely worth while, based on what I've seen so far.

Rekna · 11-06-2009, 10:17 AM

I finally got on a team that was good enough to beat the demo on expert on the 360. Man a lot of people suck at this game.

The people that I find the most annoying are the ones that run ahead to get all of the items, use their health packs when they are mostly full so they can pick up another health pack, etc, run ahead to get all the kills because it helps their ego. Basically those that don't know how to play as a team.

biznatch · 11-06-2009, 12:40 PM

People are figuring out how to play as infected (on the PC). However, they're having trouble increasing the 4 player limit, so it's only like half-versus.

But playing as the new infected is definitely fun.

I can't wait for November 17th.

Wyodiver33 · 11-07-2009, 07:03 PM

Played through the L4D2 demo last night. I liked it. I wish it had more gameplay available. But it's a good demo. And it ran just fine on my C2D 2.13 Ghz/ Nvidia 8600 GTS 256MB.

Cynthetiq · 11-07-2009, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by aberkok

Hey everyone. I am thinking of saving some dough by buying a L4D2 4-pack for PC. Cynthetiq mentioned he might be in for it, and I'm looking for 2 more folks to make it worthwhile. I did the math and it works out to about $34 each (so an $11 savings from pre-order, and a $16 savings from full price).

Anyone?

Demo is good. I'm in for one.

Rekna · 11-19-2009, 12:43 PM

I'm looking for non-idiots to party up with on the 360. If anyone is interested PM me your live id.

Gabbyness · 12-19-2009, 02:45 AM

Totally diggin' this game. More of the same, yes, but I'm all about that.

Cynthetiq · 12-19-2009, 07:53 AM

I like the game but have been distracted by a few things from work to Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2. It's hard to switch back and forth so L4D2 has been sitting.

JBX · 12-26-2009, 11:26 AM

I must get this...

Baraka_Guru · 06-09-2011, 08:30 PM

I convinced aberkok to reinstall this on his machine. I have it, but I've barely scratched the surface.

Who's in for a virtual meetup to play?
When are you typically available?
What's your Steam userid if I don't already know?

I know a few of you have this, so let's organize some game nights.

Cynthetiq · 06-09-2011, 08:34 PM

I haven't been playing it. I just finished Bad Company 2, found it to be too short. I'm game. Home in the evenings, heck if Skogafoss is raiding I'm free all night

settie · 06-09-2011, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru

I convinced aberkok to reinstall this on his machine. I have it, but I've barely scratched the surface.

Who's in for a virtual meetup to play?
When are you typically available?
What's your Steam userid if I don't already know?

I know a few of you have this, so let's organize some game nights.

YAY!
Finally we can get back to this!

I'm on steam every night. Usually on later (after 9pm) between Tuesday-Thursday, but the rest of the time, I'm around.

If we set up a regular night, I'd say Friday.
LETS KILL SOME ZOMBIES!

aberkok · 06-10-2011, 03:45 AM

Yup. New hard disk so I can keep my games co-existing on there with Witcher 2. Tomorrow night (Saturday) is a possibility.

Baraka_Guru · 06-10-2011, 05:37 AM

What! What!

I will simply check in on the evenings to see who is logged in.

So basically: if you're available and willing to play, be sure to log into Steam and remain on standby.

Cynthetiq · 06-10-2011, 05:53 AM

Quote:

What! What!

I will simply check in on the evenings to see who is logged in.

So basically: if you're available and willing to play, be sure to log into Steam and remain on standby.

Okay I'll do that.

Baraka_Guru · 06-10-2011, 06:01 AM

Cool. Apparently, the last time I played was in January, and I've logged a total of 117 minutes of game time.

settie · 06-10-2011, 06:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru

What! What!

I will simply check in on the evenings to see who is logged in.

So basically: if you're available and willing to play, be sure to log into Steam and remain on standby.

Aye Aye, sir. Darth Settie reporting for zombie slaying duty!
Weapon of choice: skillet. Yeahhhhhh

Martian · 06-10-2011, 03:20 PM

I'll try to be around at some point this weekend too, then. We'll see how it goes.

Baraka_Guru · 06-10-2011, 04:00 PM

Not sure about this weekend myself. My brother-in-common-law gets into town tomorrow afternoon.

I'm thinking later tonight for anyone who's available. And, more generally, I'd like to do the occasional pickup match, so let's just keep this conversation going.

10-12-2009, 11:55 PM	#42 (permalink)
Radio Monk33 Psycho	Crash Course isn't doing much for me. The map rounds are long..but succeptible to rage quitting. They have tanks super consistently; i guess that's their way of making a "quick game". The first round is super hard to pass if the infected are halfway competent. Too difficult for survivors imho. So who's pre-ordered L4D2? __________________ "Punk rock had this cool, political personal message. It was a bit more cerebral than just stupid cock rock, you know" -Kurt Cobain

10-27-2009, 10:59 PM	#44 (permalink)
Radio Monk33 Psycho	Finally...at something like 11:40 PST on Tuesday it FINALLY STARTS DOWNLOADING THE DEMO. 70%!! __________________ "Punk rock had this cool, political personal message. It was a bit more cerebral than just stupid cock rock, you know" -Kurt Cobain

10-28-2009, 02:41 AM	#45 (permalink)
ObieX Pickles Location: Shirt and Pants (NJ)	The demo is pretty fun so far. I'm still not sure how i feel about zombies during the day. I thought the night time settings of the first Left 4 Dead were great and added a lot to the atmosphere of freaky spookiness. I found the levels in the demo to be a bit more confusing than the original as to where to go and how to get places. There are arrows around to point you in the right direction but it was still kinda easy to get turned around and not know where i was going. The new weapons are pretty good, i'd rather use a pistol than a melee weapon tho. Having witches that wander will certainly spice things up a bit i think. A bit harder to avoid. The new special infected seem ok. The spitter has a lot of potential. I absolutely LOVE all the gore in this version. When a zombie gets hit with a bullet there are nice bloody goopy wounds that open up where they're hit. __________________ We Must Dissent.

10-28-2009, 10:05 AM	#46 (permalink)
biznatch Junkie Location: France	Us PC users are still waiting. Valve really fucked us this time around. __________________ Check it out: The Open Source/Freeware/Gratis Software Thread

10-29-2009, 12:55 AM	#49 (permalink)
Gabbyness Chicken scratch. Location: Japan!!!	Squaaaawkk! __________________ One, two, three, four, fiiiiiiiifth.

10-04-2009, 06:18 AM	#41 (permalink)
Rekna Junkie	That would be awesome. It would be even more awesome if the AI director 2.0 was used and the new specials would also spawn.

10-28-2009, 03:24 PM	#47 (permalink)
filtherton Junkie Location: In the land of ice and snow.	I think if anything is fucked, it is the overpowering sense of entitlement displayed by a passionate minority of PC gamers.

10-28-2009, 05:20 PM	#48 (permalink)
Shauk Confused Adult Location: Spokane, WA	I've read that line elsewhere, which makes me think you're parroting. don't be a parrot.

10-29-2009, 02:53 AM	#50 (permalink)
filtherton Junkie Location: In the land of ice and snow.	You've read PC gamers expressing their hyper-entitlement elsewhere? That's not shocking.

10-29-2009, 04:56 AM	#51 (permalink)
Shauk Confused Adult Location: Spokane, WA	no, just people trying to poke the angry mob with a stick by trying to downplay their concerns, whilst not contributing anything of value to the discussion at hand. PC Gamers aren't as big a minority as some would think, I think piracy just takes a majority of them "off the grid" when it comes to figuring out the retail market. So when they actually DO pay for something, I'm sure they'd like to feel rewarded and incentive for doing so. I mean shit, WoW has like, what, 15 million players at this point? that doesn't sound like a minority to me. shrug let em vent, it's the only therapy you can offer a gamer stuck without his game anyway.

10-29-2009, 05:10 AM	#52 (permalink)
Baraka_Guru warrior bodhisattva Super Moderator Location: East-central Canada	I don't see how a multi-billion-dollar market can be a minority at any rate.... Anywho....do we know that Steam intentionally gave preferential treatment to consoles, or was this a production issue? __________________ Knowing that death is certain and that the time of death is uncertain, what's the most important thing? —Bhikkhuni Pema Chödrön Humankind cannot bear very much reality. —From "Burnt Norton," Four Quartets (1936), T. S. Eliot

10-29-2009, 09:55 AM	#54 (permalink)
Shauk Confused Adult Location: Spokane, WA	Well in the case of borderlands (different game i know, but still Steam related) the game was out on consoles on the 20th, pc was delayed til the 26th. rabble rabble right? rumors abound, official statement was special PC optimizations, which aren't really apparent at all. others say it was a money grab to get as many console sales as they could before the pc version came out and got pirated. well guess what happened, Steam had my preorder money for a week, and in that week, console gamers got to max up and beat the game, pirates obtained a reviewer copy before the game even came out on retail, completely absent of any copy protection/anti piracy. So they can play online because.. 1. no official matchmaking service, they pawned it off to gamestop. 2. you don't even need a cd key to install it anyway and it doesn't check it apparently for any other purpose than start up. essentially it sounds like the retail version with a no cd crack would be identical to the review copy. I guess I got the game last, for being a good customer :\

10-29-2009, 02:37 PM	#56 (permalink)
Rekna Junkie	So far it has been a blast. Are there any other 360 users that have the demo here?

10-30-2009, 07:04 AM	#60 (permalink)
aberkok “Wrong is right.” Location: toronto	Hey everyone. I am thinking of saving some dough by buying a L4D2 4-pack for PC. Cynthetiq mentioned he might be in for it, and I'm looking for 2 more folks to make it worthwhile. I did the math and it works out to about $34 each (so an $11 savings from pre-order, and a $16 savings from full price). Anyone? __________________ !check out my new blog! http://arkanamusic.wordpress.com Warden Gentiles: "It? Perfectly innocent. But I can see how, if our roles were reversed, I might have you beaten with a pillowcase full of batteries."

11-04-2009, 07:36 AM	#61 (permalink)
ironpham DOOMTRAIN Location: NC	Demo is open to everyone now in case anyone is interested. I played some last night. It's pretty fun. Really enjoyed the end of the second stage. __________________ SIGNATURE.

11-05-2009, 06:34 AM	#62 (permalink)
Ace_O_Spades The Death Card Location: EH!?!?	lots of sandy vagina in this thread. I was on the cusp of buying L4D when L4D2 was announced... Pre-ordered it a few days ago, have been playing the demo for a few days. Seems pretty fun. Only played 1 or 2 rounds of L4D so I feel like the purchase is entirely worth while, based on what I've seen so far. __________________ Feh.

11-06-2009, 10:17 AM	#63 (permalink)
Rekna Junkie	I finally got on a team that was good enough to beat the demo on expert on the 360. Man a lot of people suck at this game. The people that I find the most annoying are the ones that run ahead to get all of the items, use their health packs when they are mostly full so they can pick up another health pack, etc, run ahead to get all the kills because it helps their ego. Basically those that don't know how to play as a team.

11-06-2009, 12:40 PM	#64 (permalink)
biznatch Junkie Location: France	People are figuring out how to play as infected (on the PC). However, they're having trouble increasing the 4 player limit, so it's only like half-versus. But playing as the new infected is definitely fun. I can't wait for November 17th. __________________ Check it out: The Open Source/Freeware/Gratis Software Thread

11-07-2009, 07:03 PM	#65 (permalink)
Wyodiver33 Just here for the beer. Location: Ft. Lauderdale, Floriduh	Played through the L4D2 demo last night. I liked it. I wish it had more gameplay available. But it's a good demo. And it ran just fine on my C2D 2.13 Ghz/ Nvidia 8600 GTS 256MB. __________________ I like stuff.

11-19-2009, 12:43 PM	#67 (permalink)
Rekna Junkie	I'm looking for non-idiots to party up with on the 360. If anyone is interested PM me your live id.

12-19-2009, 02:45 AM	#68 (permalink)
Gabbyness Chicken scratch. Location: Japan!!!	Totally diggin' this game. More of the same, yes, but I'm all about that. __________________ One, two, three, four, fiiiiiiiifth.

12-19-2009, 07:53 AM	#69 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Location: Manhattan, NY	I like the game but have been distracted by a few things from work to Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2. It's hard to switch back and forth so L4D2 has been sitting. __________________ I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not. What's the best nation in the world? DO-NATION!

12-26-2009, 11:26 AM	#70 (permalink)
JBX Unfair and Imbalanced Location: Upstate, NY	I must get this... __________________ "Youth and Strength is no match for Age and Treachery"

06-09-2011, 08:30 PM	#71 (permalink)
Baraka_Guru warrior bodhisattva Super Moderator Location: East-central Canada	I convinced aberkok to reinstall this on his machine. I have it, but I've barely scratched the surface. Who's in for a virtual meetup to play? When are you typically available? What's your Steam userid if I don't already know? I know a few of you have this, so let's organize some game nights. __________________ Knowing that death is certain and that the time of death is uncertain, what's the most important thing? —Bhikkhuni Pema Chödrön Humankind cannot bear very much reality. —From "Burnt Norton," Four Quartets (1936), T. S. Eliot

06-09-2011, 08:34 PM	#72 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Location: Manhattan, NY	I haven't been playing it. I just finished Bad Company 2, found it to be too short. I'm game. Home in the evenings, heck if Skogafoss is raiding I'm free all night __________________ I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not. What's the best nation in the world? DO-NATION!

06-10-2011, 03:45 AM	#74 (permalink)
aberkok “Wrong is right.” Location: toronto	Yup. New hard disk so I can keep my games co-existing on there with Witcher 2. Tomorrow night (Saturday) is a possibility. __________________ !check out my new blog! http://arkanamusic.wordpress.com Warden Gentiles: "It? Perfectly innocent. But I can see how, if our roles were reversed, I might have you beaten with a pillowcase full of batteries."

06-10-2011, 05:37 AM	#75 (permalink)
Baraka_Guru warrior bodhisattva Super Moderator Location: East-central Canada	What! What! I will simply check in on the evenings to see who is logged in. So basically: if you're available and willing to play, be sure to log into Steam and remain on standby. __________________ Knowing that death is certain and that the time of death is uncertain, what's the most important thing? —Bhikkhuni Pema Chödrön Humankind cannot bear very much reality. —From "Burnt Norton," Four Quartets (1936), T. S. Eliot

06-10-2011, 06:01 AM	#77 (permalink)
Baraka_Guru warrior bodhisattva Super Moderator Location: East-central Canada	Cool. Apparently, the last time I played was in January, and I've logged a total of 117 minutes of game time. __________________ Knowing that death is certain and that the time of death is uncertain, what's the most important thing? —Bhikkhuni Pema Chödrön Humankind cannot bear very much reality. —From "Burnt Norton," Four Quartets (1936), T. S. Eliot

06-10-2011, 03:20 PM	#79 (permalink)
Martian Young Crumudgeon Location: Canada	I'll try to be around at some point this weekend too, then. We'll see how it goes. __________________ I wake up in the morning more tired than before I slept I get through cryin' and I'm sadder than before I wept I get through thinkin' now, and the thoughts have left my head I get through speakin' and I can't remember, not a word that I said - Ben Harper, Show Me A Little Shame

06-10-2011, 04:00 PM	#80 (permalink)
Baraka_Guru warrior bodhisattva Super Moderator Location: East-central Canada	Not sure about this weekend myself. My brother-in-common-law gets into town tomorrow afternoon. I'm thinking later tonight for anyone who's available. And, more generally, I'd like to do the occasional pickup match, so let's just keep this conversation going. __________________ Knowing that death is certain and that the time of death is uncertain, what's the most important thing? —Bhikkhuni Pema Chödrön Humankind cannot bear very much reality. —From "Burnt Norton," Four Quartets (1936), T. S. Eliot