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Yakk · 01-05-2006, 03:52 PM

I'm getting rather worried.

http://aclunc.org/pressrel/041012-nofly.html

The USA now apparently has a 80,000 person "no-fly" list.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-mo...d_b_13272.html

If Jim Moore is to be believed, he's on the list. Possibly because he wrote a book critical of the Bush administration.

There is no way to determine how you got on the list. There is no way you can get yourself off the list. If you are on the list, you have become a second class citizen with no appeal.

80,000 people are on this list.

A President who holds that congress and the courts can place no restrictions on his acts, so long as he claims they are in defence of the nation. A President above the law.

Oh, and a prominant democractic senator was also on the list:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Aug19.html

I don't trust the American government. Should Canada start plans to defend itself, without assuming American defensive aid? It's crazy, I know... ~_~

vox_rox · 01-11-2006, 09:10 AM

The American Government has become that which it most fears in other nations, that it has become a rogue nation. A nation that does whatever it wants to in protection of its borders and its citizens' way-of-life, even if that extends beyond its own borders and penalizes its own citizens for excercising their human rights.

I remember about a year ago when an FBI spokeperson was defending the detention of certain individuals who were changing flights in an American airport. These people were flying from one continent to another, and their destination was not even in the US, but once they were on American soil, they were detained for sevreal days, had their possessions searched and seized, and were deported back to their country of origin. No charges were ever laid and no explanation givien.

In commenting on this, the FBI said that the only gaurantee that any non-American has once they are on American soil is that they will not be subjected to gross physcial abuse. Anything else is sanctioned by the administration. In essence, you have NO RIGHTS WHATSOEVER even if you're simply changing flights.

So, I do not travel to the states, I so not buy American products when I can help it, and I try not to support the American economy in any way. The truly unfortunate thing is that I know many American citizens and I really like all of them. But the American machine is out of control, and the entire world is hostage to this lone super power.

Peace,

Pierre

Ace_O_Spades · 01-11-2006, 09:14 AM

And people gasp in amazement when Canadians boo Americans at the world junior tournament

Yes, they're are biggest trading partners... but it doesn't change the fact that their government is out of control... The whole world sees it, but they have the blinders on.

Charlatan · 01-11-2006, 09:22 AM

This is the number one reason why we should beef up our military.

We can never out spend the US in an arms race, but that isn't the point. Protecting our sovreinty in the north and preparing to defend against incursions seeking to take our natural resources are solid reasons (granted we already rolled over on oil when we signed NAFTA but make no mistake, water will be the next thing the US comes calling for and if we don't give them what they want, they could just take it).

silent_jay · 01-11-2006, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Ace_O_Spades

And people gasp in amazement when Canadians boo Americans at the world junior tournament

Yes, they're are biggest trading partners... but it doesn't change the fact that their government is out of control... The whole world sees it, but they have the blinders on.

I loved watching the yanks get booed at the world juniors, they were even cheering for the Russians, had me laughing.

As for the defence of Canada, the yanks seem to think it would be a cakewalk to take over Canada, I guess they figure we'll roll over and die or something, but they don't seem to understand the guerilla war that would ensue, they always forget about the guerilla war.

Ace_O_Spades · 01-11-2006, 09:48 PM

I'd found the Kamloops chapter of la resistance

silent_jay · 01-12-2006, 01:05 PM

I'll start the Ottawa Valley chapter.

Fly · 01-12-2006, 01:09 PM

i'll bring the pot,and we won't need to worry about anything........

yeah....that's it.

silent_jay · 01-12-2006, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by flyman

i'll bring the pot,and we won't need to worry about anything........

yeah....that's it.

Outstanding, can't have a good guerilla war without the sweet green leaf.

vox_rox · 01-13-2006, 10:37 AM

Okay, the Calgary chapter will be run out of my basement grow-op, unless the FBI are monitoring this channel in which case, um, well, what the hell was I saying? Oh yeah, and another thing...

Um.

Peace,

Pierre

BigBen · 01-13-2006, 11:26 AM

And gentlemen, I will command all of the TFP sleeper cells.

You guys do realize that by my posting this, we are all going to get on the list.

I don't think you can even use the tern "Sleeper Cell" without the NSA performing a cavity search on your family pet.

Remember, they can't survive in the cold; All we have to do is take care of the folks in North Dakota.

Yakk · 01-27-2006, 12:21 PM

I'd assume people would form resistances. For the most part they are ineffective in actually defending or liberating territory without outside intervention.

It can be taken as a given that Canada cannot generate a conventional military force that is capable of defending itself against an American military attack.

BigBen · 01-27-2006, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yakk

...It can be taken as a given that Canada cannot generate a conventional military force that is capable of defending itself against an American military attack.

I disagree, Sir.

The world knows how to win a war against the US:

Officially "give up" hours into the fight, and then proceed to inflict such heavy casualties in a guerrila war that they lose the will to fight.

Of course, we need media support; we must ensure that all attacks that the US undertakes are broadcast via international news agencies. We must then claim that they slaughtered innocent people during these attacks.

Finally, we coerce the opposing political party with promises of international trade and other accords so that they tear each other apart using their own media.

What is so hard about that? I can create an ambush that could literally decimate an american convoy. That is by myself. I can teach that tactic to dozens of young men, while telling them
that I will bring the NHL back to its original glory,
give them good beer
and waving flags.

Please don't underestimate the ferocity of your fellow countymen.

blahblah454 · 01-27-2006, 01:27 PM

Agreed BigBen. I think the average countryman would stand up for Canada. If USA decided to take Canada by force at anytime I imagine ordinary people would stand up and fight.

Elphaba · 01-27-2006, 01:35 PM

I'm willing to give aid and comfort to the enemy. The least I can do is send a regular supply of muchies to Flyman.

Fly · 01-28-2006, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Elphaba

I'm willing to give aid and comfort to the enemy. The least I can do is send a regular supply of muchies to Flyman.

bring it to me baby...............

NCB · 01-30-2006, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by silent_jay

As for the defence of Canada, the yanks seem to think it would be a cakewalk to take over Canada, I guess they figure we'll roll over and die or something, but they don't seem to understand the guerilla war that would ensue, they always forget about the guerilla war.

It would be. Canadians cant even deploy six CF-18s without turning it into a cluster fuck:

here

BigBen · 01-30-2006, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by NCB

It would be....

What about the ensuing guerilla war, NCB?

Do you guys have an exit strategy?

What about my post above? Does that sound reasonable?

NCB · 01-30-2006, 07:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBen

What about the ensuing guerilla war, NCB?

Do you guys have an exit strategy?

What about my post above? Does that sound reasonable?

You guys cant even deploy six planes, but you can formulate an effective "guerilla campaign"? Please. Look, I love Canada and its people, but to think that you could actually defeat us in a war is even more pathetic than y'alls military. Canada feeds of the American military tit and the only ones groveling about it are the Canadians themselves. Sorry. But hey, y'all can still kick our asses in hockey and curling. That counts for something

BigBen · 01-30-2006, 07:29 AM

We won't defeat you in a war, we will defeat you like you have always been defeated; Politically, culturally, and by broadcasting it on the 6 o'clock news. If we convince you to tear yourself apart, do we still win?

Ace_O_Spades · 01-30-2006, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBen

We won't defeat you in a war, we will defeat you like you have always been defeated; Politically, culturally, and by broadcasting it on the 6 o'clock news. If we convince you to tear yourself apart, do we still win?

Exactly... there's more than one way to win a war... not to mention we'd have essentially the entire world supporting us.

Also, to occupy Canada would take more troops than the USA could possibly muster... to control the population would be impossible. They can't even control a country that's smaller than ONE of our provinces.

Imagine what it would be like if they had to fight someone who looked exactly like them, instead of being able to profile just arabs, they'd be profiling caucasians... Imagine how upset the WASPs will be when THEY are added to the no-fly list

NCB · 01-30-2006, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Ace_O_Spades

.Imagine what it would be like if they had to fight someone who looked exactly like them, instead of being able to profile just arabs

You mean like Germans and Italians?

Ace_O_Spades · 01-30-2006, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by NCB

You mean like Germans and Italians?

bleh... I meant talk... but in true NCB form you had to be a jerk!

maleficent · 01-31-2006, 05:31 AM

/me stomps foot so hard the heel breaks off her shoe...

NOW LOOK WHAT YOU'VE MADE ME DO!!!

There will be no more talk of invading Canuckistan, nor of Canuckistan invading us.. that'd just be mean... If you become our hated enemy... Whatever would I do without beefcake to oogle... Come on guys... I already have nothing... ya gotta give me the Canuckistani Beefcake.. .PLEASE!!! I'm begging you...

besides, y'all would probably make Curling the national pasttime, and that'd be just silly...

Charlatan · 01-31-2006, 05:41 AM

Maleficent! Please report to the re-education centre for curling practice. There you will be plied with Tim Horton's coffee, poutine and old recordings of Gordon Lightfoot.

maleficent · 01-31-2006, 05:49 AM

harumph -- I heard your torture devices had something to do with maple syrup - clearly i was led astray -- coffee good - -the rest of it? not so much...

/me has naturally curly hair -- needs straightening practice thank you very much...

/me wants her canuckistani beefcake dammit-- there will be no incident!!!

Charlatan · 01-31-2006, 05:54 AM

Don't worry, you will have all the beefcake you want... we have pictures of our new leader, Stephen Harper, in ill-fitting suits giving you his warmest smile and his infamous 50-yard stare...

mmmm....Stephen Harper....

(that oughta straighten your hair)

fresnelly · 01-31-2006, 06:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charlatan

mmmm....Stephen Harper....

I'm sure there are many women swooning at the thought of Harper slowly and tenderly leaning in for a ...firm handshake.

maleficent · 01-31-2006, 08:11 AM

Quote:

Conservative Party leadership Candidate faces a tough fight for the leadership against blonde bombshell candidate Belinda Stronach. In the past week, Belinda, former CEO of Magna, and known to her closest friends as "Magna Bucks" has stolen the spotlight from Stephen Harper. In an attempt to level the playing field, Stephen Harper is displaying his best ass-sets.

I said Canadian Beefcake dammit...

jeesh-

Charlatan · 01-31-2006, 08:34 AM

Ask and ye shall receive...

maleficent · 01-31-2006, 08:36 AM

yeah i saw that one -and he seems more american than you laid back canadians.. you can keep him...

Charlatan · 01-31-2006, 08:38 AM

Of course Harper may be a bit busy. I'm sure Stockwell Day might have some time to spare:

Ace_O_Spades · 01-31-2006, 09:53 AM

ewwww

stockwell day is a dirty word... go wash your mouth out with soap

Charlatan · 01-31-2006, 10:15 AM

Stephen isn't more American at all... he is just boring. I just read an article that described him as the Prime Minister for the Tim Horton's set. He is resolute in his middle class nature.

With the exception of Joe Clark, he is the most average of Prime Ministers.

Joe Clark? Now there's some beefcake.

maleficent · 01-31-2006, 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charlatan

Joe Clark? Now there's some beefcake.

/me sighs

you boys in canadia are cute... but ya sure don't know nuttin' about beefcakines... jeesh... beefcakiness is charlatan, and kramus, and lucifer, and ace, and bigben, and the other boys from up yonder north - don't give me none of these windy politicans.... criminey.. do i hafta learn yuz everything?

BigBen · 02-01-2006, 08:05 AM

BEST. THREAD. EVER.

NCB · 02-01-2006, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBen

We won't defeat you in a war, we will defeat you like you have always been defeated; Politically, culturally, and by broadcasting it on the 6 o'clock news. If we convince you to tear yourself apart, do we still win?

*adjust voice to sound like Patrick Swayze*

WOLVERINES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Charlatan · 02-01-2006, 12:48 PM

maleficent · 02-01-2006, 12:50 PM

Hey don't be makin' fun of that movie (what was it called - Red Dawn?)-- Jennifer gray still had her nose in that movie... and that was Meeechicken -- NOT Canuckistan...

Leto · 02-01-2006, 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NCB

*adjust voice to sound like Patrick Swayze*

WOLVERINES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

a great movie!!!

01-05-2006, 03:52 PM	#1 (permalink)
Yakk Wehret Den Anfängen! Location: Ontario, Canada	Continental defence I'm getting rather worried. http://aclunc.org/pressrel/041012-nofly.html The USA now apparently has a 80,000 person "no-fly" list. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-mo...d_b_13272.html If Jim Moore is to be believed, he's on the list. Possibly because he wrote a book critical of the Bush administration. There is no way to determine how you got on the list. There is no way you can get yourself off the list. If you are on the list, you have become a second class citizen with no appeal. 80,000 people are on this list. A President who holds that congress and the courts can place no restrictions on his acts, so long as he claims they are in defence of the nation. A President above the law. Oh, and a prominant democractic senator was also on the list: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Aug19.html I don't trust the American government. Should Canada start plans to defend itself, without assuming American defensive aid? It's crazy, I know... ~_~ __________________ Last edited by JHVH : 10-29-4004 BC at 09:00 PM. Reason: Time for a rest.

01-11-2006, 09:10 AM	#2 (permalink)
vox_rox Psycho Location: Comfy Little Bungalow	Truly Ironic The American Government has become that which it most fears in other nations, that it has become a rogue nation. A nation that does whatever it wants to in protection of its borders and its citizens' way-of-life, even if that extends beyond its own borders and penalizes its own citizens for excercising their human rights. I remember about a year ago when an FBI spokeperson was defending the detention of certain individuals who were changing flights in an American airport. These people were flying from one continent to another, and their destination was not even in the US, but once they were on American soil, they were detained for sevreal days, had their possessions searched and seized, and were deported back to their country of origin. No charges were ever laid and no explanation givien. In commenting on this, the FBI said that the only gaurantee that any non-American has once they are on American soil is that they will not be subjected to gross physcial abuse. Anything else is sanctioned by the administration. In essence, you have NO RIGHTS WHATSOEVER even if you're simply changing flights. So, I do not travel to the states, I so not buy American products when I can help it, and I try not to support the American economy in any way. The truly unfortunate thing is that I know many American citizens and I really like all of them. But the American machine is out of control, and the entire world is hostage to this lone super power. Peace, Pierre __________________ --- There is no such thing as strong coffee - only weak people. ---

01-11-2006, 09:14 AM	#3 (permalink)
Ace_O_Spades The Death Card Location: EH!?!?	And people gasp in amazement when Canadians boo Americans at the world junior tournament Yes, they're are biggest trading partners... but it doesn't change the fact that their government is out of control... The whole world sees it, but they have the blinders on. __________________ Feh.

01-11-2006, 09:22 AM	#4 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	This is the number one reason why we should beef up our military. We can never out spend the US in an arms race, but that isn't the point. Protecting our sovreinty in the north and preparing to defend against incursions seeking to take our natural resources are solid reasons (granted we already rolled over on oil when we signed NAFTA but make no mistake, water will be the next thing the US comes calling for and if we don't give them what they want, they could just take it). __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

01-11-2006, 09:48 PM	#6 (permalink)
Ace_O_Spades The Death Card Location: EH!?!?	I'd found the Kamloops chapter of la resistance __________________ Feh.

01-12-2006, 01:05 PM	#7 (permalink)
silent_jay Her Jay Location: Ontario for now....	I'll start the Ottawa Valley chapter. __________________ Absence makes the heart grow fonder

01-12-2006, 01:09 PM	#8 (permalink)
Fly see the links to my music? Location: Beautiful British Columbia	i'll bring the pot,and we won't need to worry about anything........ yeah....that's it. __________________ BASTARD SterlingStudios

01-13-2006, 10:37 AM	#10 (permalink)
vox_rox Psycho Location: Comfy Little Bungalow	Calgary Chapter Okay, the Calgary chapter will be run out of my basement grow-op, unless the FBI are monitoring this channel in which case, um, well, what the hell was I saying? Oh yeah, and another thing... Um. Peace, Pierre __________________ --- There is no such thing as strong coffee - only weak people. ---

01-13-2006, 11:26 AM	#11 (permalink)
BigBen Comedian Location: Use the search button	And gentlemen, I will command all of the TFP sleeper cells. You guys do realize that by my posting this, we are all going to get on the list. I don't think you can even use the tern "Sleeper Cell" without the NSA performing a cavity search on your family pet. Remember, they can't survive in the cold; All we have to do is take care of the folks in North Dakota. __________________ 3.141592654 Hey, if you are impressed with my memorizing pi to 10 digits, you should see the size of my penis.

01-27-2006, 12:21 PM	#12 (permalink)
Yakk Wehret Den Anfängen! Location: Ontario, Canada	I'd assume people would form resistances. For the most part they are ineffective in actually defending or liberating territory without outside intervention. It can be taken as a given that Canada cannot generate a conventional military force that is capable of defending itself against an American military attack. __________________ Last edited by JHVH : 10-29-4004 BC at 09:00 PM. Reason: Time for a rest.

01-27-2006, 01:27 PM	#14 (permalink)
blahblah454 Let's put a smile on that face Location: On the road...	Agreed BigBen. I think the average countryman would stand up for Canada. If USA decided to take Canada by force at anytime I imagine ordinary people would stand up and fight.

01-27-2006, 01:35 PM	#15 (permalink)
Elphaba Deja Moo Location: Olympic Peninsula, WA	I'm willing to give aid and comfort to the enemy. The least I can do is send a regular supply of muchies to Flyman.

01-30-2006, 07:29 AM	#20 (permalink)
BigBen Comedian Location: Use the search button	We won't defeat you in a war, we will defeat you like you have always been defeated; Politically, culturally, and by broadcasting it on the 6 o'clock news. If we convince you to tear yourself apart, do we still win? __________________ 3.141592654 Hey, if you are impressed with my memorizing pi to 10 digits, you should see the size of my penis.

01-31-2006, 05:31 AM	#24 (permalink)
maleficent Junkie Moderator Emeritus Location: Chicago	/me stomps foot so hard the heel breaks off her shoe... NOW LOOK WHAT YOU'VE MADE ME DO!!! There will be no more talk of invading Canuckistan, nor of Canuckistan invading us.. that'd just be mean... If you become our hated enemy... Whatever would I do without beefcake to oogle... Come on guys... I already have nothing... ya gotta give me the Canuckistani Beefcake.. .PLEASE!!! I'm begging you... besides, y'all would probably make Curling the national pasttime, and that'd be just silly... __________________ Free your heart from hatred. Free your mind from worries. Live simply. Give more. Expect less.

01-31-2006, 05:41 AM	#25 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	Maleficent! Please report to the re-education centre for curling practice. There you will be plied with Tim Horton's coffee, poutine and old recordings of Gordon Lightfoot. __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

01-31-2006, 05:49 AM	#26 (permalink)
maleficent Junkie Moderator Emeritus Location: Chicago	harumph -- I heard your torture devices had something to do with maple syrup - clearly i was led astray -- coffee good - -the rest of it? not so much... /me has naturally curly hair -- needs straightening practice thank you very much... /me wants her canuckistani beefcake dammit-- there will be no incident!!! __________________ Free your heart from hatred. Free your mind from worries. Live simply. Give more. Expect less.

01-31-2006, 05:54 AM	#27 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	Don't worry, you will have all the beefcake you want... we have pictures of our new leader, Stephen Harper, in ill-fitting suits giving you his warmest smile and his infamous 50-yard stare... mmmm....Stephen Harper.... (that oughta straighten your hair) __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

01-31-2006, 08:34 AM	#30 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	Ask and ye shall receive... __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

01-31-2006, 08:36 AM	#31 (permalink)
maleficent Junkie Moderator Emeritus Location: Chicago	yeah i saw that one -and he seems more american than you laid back canadians.. you can keep him... __________________ Free your heart from hatred. Free your mind from worries. Live simply. Give more. Expect less.

01-31-2006, 08:38 AM	#32 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	Of course Harper may be a bit busy. I'm sure Stockwell Day might have some time to spare: __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke Last edited by Charlatan; 01-31-2006 at 08:41 AM..

01-31-2006, 09:53 AM	#33 (permalink)
Ace_O_Spades The Death Card Location: EH!?!?	ewwww stockwell day is a dirty word... go wash your mouth out with soap __________________ Feh.

01-31-2006, 10:15 AM	#34 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	Stephen isn't more American at all... he is just boring. I just read an article that described him as the Prime Minister for the Tim Horton's set. He is resolute in his middle class nature. With the exception of Joe Clark, he is the most average of Prime Ministers. Joe Clark? Now there's some beefcake. __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

02-01-2006, 08:05 AM	#36 (permalink)
BigBen Comedian Location: Use the search button	BEST. THREAD. EVER. __________________ 3.141592654 Hey, if you are impressed with my memorizing pi to 10 digits, you should see the size of my penis.

02-01-2006, 12:48 PM	#38 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	__________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

02-01-2006, 12:50 PM	#39 (permalink)
maleficent Junkie Moderator Emeritus Location: Chicago	Hey don't be makin' fun of that movie (what was it called - Red Dawn?)-- Jennifer gray still had her nose in that movie... and that was Meeechicken -- NOT Canuckistan... __________________ Free your heart from hatred. Free your mind from worries. Live simply. Give more. Expect less. Last edited by maleficent; 02-01-2006 at 12:53 PM..