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Sticky · 11-21-2005, 10:52 AM

There is all this talk about Canadians not wanting an election campaign during the holiday season and that the people are going to punish the Conservatives and NDP for forcing it.

Do any of you really care if there is an election campaign during the holiday season?
Now, I am not asking whether or you think they should wait for Gomery or any other political reasons. I just want to know if an election campaign during the holiday makes a difference to you.

Also, if you think that it is a horrible idea, are you going to punish the Conservatives and NDP?

Sticky · 11-21-2005, 11:00 AM

I vote no.

I don't see how this affects the holiday season in the slightest.

In fact maybe it is ofr the better. Maybe these guys will give bigger holiday donations to charity because more people are watching.

http://www.canada.com/montreal/montr...4-aac16bacc744

canuckguy · 11-23-2005, 09:38 AM

i voted no as well, either way its a waste of time and money.

Charlatan · 11-23-2005, 10:00 AM

Ideally I would like to see the election happen on the compromise schedule (sometime in early Feb) but it looks like the Liberals are digging in their heels and demanding the rule of Parliamentary procedure rather than the will of Parliament.

I think this is one of Martin's biggest mistakes and the opposition leaders are playing this well. The only person who will be responsible for a Christmas election is Paul Martin.

I don't think this election is a waste of time and money at all. The Liberals have lost the confidence of Parliament as well as the nation. If they are to be re-elected they need to be elected on a clear mandate.

My only fear is that this whole thing will push Harper and the Conservatives into power.

Daoust · 11-23-2005, 11:32 AM

I voted no. I won't be punishing the Conservatives, rather I'll be voting for them, most likely (unless there's a green party member in my riding, in which case I'll vote for them.) Yes, you heard it right. And why? Because I'm sick of the Liberals. I know, maybe that's lame, but it's probably the main reason a lot of people will not vote for them. Then again I know a lot of people will vote for them because they are scared shitless of a Conservative lead Canada. I don't think you're crazy for thinking that.

In answer to your question again, an election during the holidays in a lot of ways is perfect, because with the holidays there's lots of other distractions going on that will allow me, if all goes well, to almost totally forget about the fact that there's an election going on.

feelgood · 11-23-2005, 12:34 PM

Clicked on Yes accidently, I meant to say no.

I don't really give a shit when its gonna happen but either way, I ain't gonna go out and vote during Xmas time, New Year if I have the time, either way, I don't have the time to vote. (School all day, work all night)

Ace_O_Spades · 11-23-2005, 01:03 PM

I don't want to hear political smear campaigns while I'm decking the halls... Or have to deal with all the election shit that comes along with a GE during my break from school, during a time where togetherness, family, and sharing are promoted.

Buncha Grinches...

I live in a NDP riding, I'll be voting NDP during the election if there is one.

Yakk · 11-24-2005, 02:42 PM

An early election is a waste of money.

For voting -- I happen to like my MP. He's done good.

For results, I would love a good NDP/Conservative minority government...

kulrblind · 11-25-2005, 05:53 AM

I'm with Yakk on this one. If another Lib minority government comes out of this, I think the opposition parties should reimburse Canadians for the cost of the election.

I have to say that Jack Layton has never had it so good as he does now. He must figure no majority would come out of this, or he'd never buy into it.

Charlatan · 11-25-2005, 06:33 AM

If Jack and the NDP should come out of this with a few more seats.

Given the number of seats the Liberals should lose in Quebec and Ontario, it will be very interesting to see how this falls out...

I predict that there will be a Liberal minority but a much weakened one... They will have to play ball with someone.

By the way... Kulrblind... where have you been? Good to see you back.

Sticky · 11-25-2005, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yakk

An early election is a waste of money.

For voting -- I happen to like my MP. He's done good.

For results, I would love a good NDP/Conservative minority government...

Quote:

Originally Posted by kulrblind

I'm with Yakk on this one. If another Lib minority government comes out of this, I think the opposition parties should reimburse Canadians for the cost of the election.

Why ever have an election?
Certainly if the results are going to be the same...why ever bring it to the population.

I don't get this point of view.

Democratically, it makes much more sense to have an election when we have a situation like we do now then having one at an arbitrarily chose point somewhere out in the future (5 years for Canada).
It is the situation that Canada is in politically that requires an election.

Don't you all get it. There is no party that holds a mojority of the seats in the house of commons. This means that there is no party in Canada that can claim to represent over 50% of the ridings in Canada (based on our political system we can't do this based on population but it happens to be the same case with population right now - i.e. there is no single party that can claim the support of a majority fo the population).

Currently, however, there are 3 parties that can together claim that they represent a majority of the ridings in Canada. The MPs that represent these ridings were elected by you, the people. The MPs are supposed to represent what you, the people, believe.

So it looks like, based on our political system, the majority of Canadians are not happy with the way the minority of Canadians are runnign the country.

Isn't this the perfect time for an election?
Even if it ends with the same results?

An election is the only point in time you, as Canadians, have a chance to hold your government accountable.

kulrblind · 11-29-2005, 11:33 AM

My point here was to (albeit not very eloquently) paint this election as a re-run of the last election.

It appears to me that the campaign strategies will be largely similar ("values" vs. "you dirty liars and thieves" vs. "quebec" vs. "the other party who'll stand up for health care, seniors and the environment")

Certainly I prefer this method of calling elections to the mandated every-fourth-november approach, but I don't see this one having any real consequence to the way our national government, uh..governs. Some change would be nice. I just don't see it happening.

And don't think for a minute I won't vote.

vox_rox · 11-29-2005, 05:09 PM

Well, I have voted in every election that I've been eligible to vote in, so I will vote in this one. However, I do feel like this is a real waste of time. Not so much the timing, but rather that I really feel the House of Commons has become a real pit of juvenile activity where nothing but accusations and defense of bad actions take place. If these use fucks just spent half the time debating actual MEANINGFUL LEGISLATION, then we might have something to show for the money we pay these people. Instead, we have pathetic barbed banter thrown across the floor every day, day in and day out, and I don't see ANY porblems being solved.

It's just sad, and any of the top three parties would be exactly the same in powr at this moment in time. I can't trust the liberals, I can't believe the conservatives, and I don't understand the NDP. So, what now?

I say anarchy now!

Peace,

Pierre

splck · 11-29-2005, 05:14 PM

If the early election call stops of the bribing the Liberals were about to embark on, I'm all for it.

View Poll Results: Does a holiday season election campaign bother you?
Yes, this will ruin my holiday.	3	15.00%
No, campaign now or later. This will have no effect on my holiday.	17	85.00%
Voters: 20. You may not vote on this poll

11-23-2005, 10:00 AM	#4 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	Ideally I would like to see the election happen on the compromise schedule (sometime in early Feb) but it looks like the Liberals are digging in their heels and demanding the rule of Parliamentary procedure rather than the will of Parliament. I think this is one of Martin's biggest mistakes and the opposition leaders are playing this well. The only person who will be responsible for a Christmas election is Paul Martin. I don't think this election is a waste of time and money at all. The Liberals have lost the confidence of Parliament as well as the nation. If they are to be re-elected they need to be elected on a clear mandate. My only fear is that this whole thing will push Harper and the Conservatives into power. __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

11-23-2005, 11:32 AM	#5 (permalink)
Daoust "I'm sorry. What was the question?" Location: Paradise Regained	I voted no. I won't be punishing the Conservatives, rather I'll be voting for them, most likely (unless there's a green party member in my riding, in which case I'll vote for them.) Yes, you heard it right. And why? Because I'm sick of the Liberals. I know, maybe that's lame, but it's probably the main reason a lot of people will not vote for them. Then again I know a lot of people will vote for them because they are scared shitless of a Conservative lead Canada. I don't think you're crazy for thinking that. In answer to your question again, an election during the holidays in a lot of ways is perfect, because with the holidays there's lots of other distractions going on that will allow me, if all goes well, to almost totally forget about the fact that there's an election going on. __________________ I have faith in a few things - divinity and grace But even when I'm on my knees I know the devil preys

11-23-2005, 12:34 PM	#6 (permalink)
feelgood Free Mars! Location: I dunno, there's white people around me saying "eh" all the time	Clicked on Yes accidently, I meant to say no. I don't really give a shit when its gonna happen but either way, I ain't gonna go out and vote during Xmas time, New Year if I have the time, either way, I don't have the time to vote. (School all day, work all night) __________________ Looking out the window, that's an act of war. Staring at my shoes, that's an act of war. Committing an act of war? Oh you better believe that's an act of war

11-23-2005, 01:03 PM	#7 (permalink)
Ace_O_Spades The Death Card Location: EH!?!?	I don't want to hear political smear campaigns while I'm decking the halls... Or have to deal with all the election shit that comes along with a GE during my break from school, during a time where togetherness, family, and sharing are promoted. Buncha Grinches... I live in a NDP riding, I'll be voting NDP during the election if there is one. __________________ Feh. Last edited by Ace_O_Spades; 11-23-2005 at 01:06 PM..

11-21-2005, 10:52 AM	#1 (permalink)
Sticky	Holiday Election Campaign, does it really matter? There is all this talk about Canadians not wanting an election campaign during the holiday season and that the people are going to punish the Conservatives and NDP for forcing it. Do any of you really care if there is an election campaign during the holiday season? Now, I am not asking whether or you think they should wait for Gomery or any other political reasons. I just want to know if an election campaign during the holiday makes a difference to you. Also, if you think that it is a horrible idea, are you going to punish the Conservatives and NDP? __________________ Sticky The Stickman

11-21-2005, 11:00 AM	#2 (permalink)
Sticky	I vote no. I don't see how this affects the holiday season in the slightest. In fact maybe it is ofr the better. Maybe these guys will give bigger holiday donations to charity because more people are watching. http://www.canada.com/montreal/montr...4-aac16bacc744 __________________ Sticky The Stickman

11-23-2005, 09:38 AM	#3 (permalink)
canuckguy I read your emails. Location: earth	i voted no as well, either way its a waste of time and money.

11-24-2005, 02:42 PM	#8 (permalink)
Yakk Wehret Den Anfängen! Location: Ontario, Canada	An early election is a waste of money. For voting -- I happen to like my MP. He's done good. For results, I would love a good NDP/Conservative minority government... __________________ Last edited by JHVH : 10-29-4004 BC at 09:00 PM. Reason: Time for a rest.

11-25-2005, 05:53 AM	#9 (permalink)
kulrblind plays well with others Location: Canada	I'm with Yakk on this one. If another Lib minority government comes out of this, I think the opposition parties should reimburse Canadians for the cost of the election. I have to say that Jack Layton has never had it so good as he does now. He must figure no majority would come out of this, or he'd never buy into it.

11-25-2005, 06:33 AM	#10 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	If Jack and the NDP should come out of this with a few more seats. Given the number of seats the Liberals should lose in Quebec and Ontario, it will be very interesting to see how this falls out... I predict that there will be a Liberal minority but a much weakened one... They will have to play ball with someone. By the way... Kulrblind... where have you been? Good to see you back. __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

11-29-2005, 11:33 AM	#12 (permalink)
kulrblind plays well with others Location: Canada	My point here was to (albeit not very eloquently) paint this election as a re-run of the last election. It appears to me that the campaign strategies will be largely similar ("values" vs. "you dirty liars and thieves" vs. "quebec" vs. "the other party who'll stand up for health care, seniors and the environment") Certainly I prefer this method of calling elections to the mandated every-fourth-november approach, but I don't see this one having any real consequence to the way our national government, uh..governs. Some change would be nice. I just don't see it happening. And don't think for a minute I won't vote.

11-29-2005, 05:09 PM	#13 (permalink)
vox_rox Psycho Location: Comfy Little Bungalow	Well, I have voted in every election that I've been eligible to vote in, so I will vote in this one. However, I do feel like this is a real waste of time. Not so much the timing, but rather that I really feel the House of Commons has become a real pit of juvenile activity where nothing but accusations and defense of bad actions take place. If these use fucks just spent half the time debating actual MEANINGFUL LEGISLATION, then we might have something to show for the money we pay these people. Instead, we have pathetic barbed banter thrown across the floor every day, day in and day out, and I don't see ANY porblems being solved. It's just sad, and any of the top three parties would be exactly the same in powr at this moment in time. I can't trust the liberals, I can't believe the conservatives, and I don't understand the NDP. So, what now? I say anarchy now! Peace, Pierre __________________ --- There is no such thing as strong coffee - only weak people. ---

11-29-2005, 05:14 PM	#14 (permalink)
splck it's jam Location: Lowerainland BC	If the early election call stops of the bribing the Liberals were about to embark on, I'm all for it. __________________ nice line eh?