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Old 01-06-2006, 07:10 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Flight 93

I've come across a trailer for a movie called Flight 93.

The IMDB's plot line is: A real time account of the events on United Flight 93, one of the planes hijacked on 9/11 that crashed near Shanksville, Pennsylvania when passengers foiled the terrorist plot.

The trailer is more of a teaser, as it is only voices and a flight plan on the screen.

What do you think? Would you see this movie?
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Old 01-06-2006, 07:30 AM   #2 (permalink)
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There was already a TV movie about it : http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0470764/

I didn't see it, but it got pretty high marks.
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Old 01-06-2006, 08:09 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I'm not sure we need another movie based on this particular event. What more can they add besides a focus on different passengers?
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Old 01-20-2006, 12:57 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I agree. And I'm concerned that actual events will be exaggerated just to make the movie more exciting. I'm all for retelling a heroic effort that saved lives, but I think some integrity should be exercised while doing it.
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Old 04-03-2006, 04:50 AM   #5 (permalink)
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'United 93' clips too real?

BY AMY SACKS, JONATHAN SARUK and NANCY DILLON
DAILY NEWS WRITERS

It's an intense and traumatic glimpse inside the 9/11 hijacking of United Airlines Flight 93 - and it's too much, too soon for some New York moviegoers.

At least one theater on the upper West Side has yanked the harrowing trailer for Universal Pictures' upcoming "United 93," saying it reduced one patron to tears.

"I personally received a couple of complaints. Some people were pretty upset," said a manager at the AMC Loews Lincoln Square 12 theater on Broadway. "We pulled the trailer last weekend."

The new $15 million feature-length film dramatizes events onthe doomed United flight from takeoff through the courageous revolt by passengers to the eventual crash outside Shanksville, Pa.

It is expected to open the Tribeca Film Festival on April 25, with relatives of those who were killed in attendance.

New Yorkers who saw the trailer yesterday before showings of Universal's "Inside Man" around the city offered mixed reviews.

"I covered my eyes. I couldn't watch it," said upper East Side retiree Gloria Harper, who volunteered as a Ground Zero relief worker shortly after 9/11. "I won't see the movie. I mean we lived through it."

The trailer, complete with heart-pounding surround sound, had a similar effect on some moviegoers at the Regal Battery Park theater - located virtually across the street from Ground Zero.

"It was disturbing. It's always painful and brings back memories," said Aida Sotelo, 47, a Manhattan homemaker who was working a block from the twin towers on 9/11. "It's still hurtful to see. And it will always be too early for me."

The trailer starts with passengers preparing for the flight, and the plane taking off. It then skips to a control room where panicked authorities are scrambling to explain why American Airlines Flight 11 had slammed into the north tower.

The most agonizing moment comes when the giant screen fills with real news footage of United Airlines Flight 175 gliding toward the south tower.

The trailer cuts away moments before impact and returns to United Flight 93, where Al Qaeda members jump up to begin the horrific hijacking. It ends with a man calling his family to say thepassengers were preparing arevolt.

Some New Yorkers viewed the trailer as a fitting tribute.

"It's sad and scary, but it's good to show people what happened that day - to tell the story of their heroism," said Harlem resident Jessica Fajardo, 28.

Adam Fogelson, Universal's marketing president, said the trailer was designed to "give an honest sense of what the movie is going to be."

"We didn't use any footage that people haven't seen before, and we didn't enhance it," he added. "It's truly horrific. So we're not shocked to hear that some people find it uncomfortable."

Allison Vadhan, 40, whose 65-year-old mom, Kristin White, died on United Flight 93, said it was time to tell the full story of the passengers.

"As difficult as it is to watch, future generations have to know about this," said Vadhan, of Atlantic Beach, L.I. "Otherwise, we're leaving them powerless. It's much easier to forget. It's much harder to face this head-on."
Has anyone seen the trailer in the threaters yet? were they right in pulling it? I saw bits and pieces of it on the news... and have no desire to see this movie..
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Old 04-03-2006, 06:11 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I saw the trailer a week ago. It *is* disturbing. I don't know what to think about it though... I mean, for some, a film can be part of how we, as a nation, process our reactions to 9/11. On the other hand (and this is MY opinion), I think it's too soon, and a movie using these events as its basis is essentially a cheap shot. 90% of the reaction and buzz about the movie will take place because of our feelings about that day, not the film's virtues. In short - a cheap shot.

Of course, if it wasn't this film, it would be another. The entertainment industry can't hold itself back from capitalizing on tragedy, and there are dollars to be made. Look for films about people trapped in mines in about 18 months.
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Old 04-03-2006, 06:25 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I don't think it's too soon (over 4 1/2 years) but I don't really see the need for the movie. No one actually knows what happened, so someone clearly wrote a screenplay based on scraps of phone calls and black box recordings. It's not a historical record, it's sure to portray people incorrectly....I just don't think any films (besides documentaries) need to be made about 9/11.
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Old 04-03-2006, 06:29 AM   #8 (permalink)
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They showed the trailer for this in front of "Inside Man", which I saw last week. It was just as disturbing to me as it was 5 years ago; perhaps even moreso because of the editing and intense music. I even felt a little trapped because I wasn't expecting it and didn't want to watch. I was shaken, and it was a few minutes before I could settle in and watch the escapist movie I came for.

I don't even understand why people go to see horror movies, so I can't imagine why anyone would want to see this.
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Old 04-03-2006, 10:09 AM   #9 (permalink)
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While I agree that Hollywood has been chomping at the bit to capitalize on 9/11 since 9/12, I don't see there being anything inherently wrong with making his movie. Not talking, or even thinking, about that day will not change the fact that it happened. On the contrary, as stated above, I think anything positive we do to make sure that we, and future generations, remember what happened is warranted.

I work in a classroom setting, and I'm a little disturbed to hear kids joke about events such as the holocaust and vietnam, and it makes me feel even stronger that things like that should never be forgotten. I know that for me as a kid, the holocaust never struck home until I saw Schindler's List, and now I will never forget it. If this movie accomplishes that for 9/11, even while putting money in the wrong pockets, then its a good thing.

And please don't think that I am equating 9/11 with the holocaust. I am just using it as an example of a past tragedy that was cemented in my mind through film.
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Old 04-03-2006, 10:14 AM   #10 (permalink)
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It'd be nice to see a true retelling, but this is just going to be another exaggerated piece of tripe. This is just further proof that there is no shame in entertainment.
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Old 04-03-2006, 12:33 PM   #11 (permalink)
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It looks like it will be done very artfully. The trailer for it at the Inside Man has the producer talking about how he talked to the families who were apart of the creation of the movie and he had their permission for the movie and they were in agreement that it was the right thing to do.

Personally, I don't think I could see it because of the strong emotions. Like it was said above, I was so shaked after wa tching the trailer that I don't think I could see the families and the people of how it actually went down. It would be too intense for me.
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Old 04-09-2006, 12:14 PM   #12 (permalink)
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my only thought about it right now is that no matter how good it is, i will consider it a work of historical fiction. there is no way to know exactly what happened on that flight. the events shown probably will be as close to what happened as we can tell, but that still doesn't mean they're accurate at all.
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my only thought about it right now is that no matter how good it is, i will consider it a work of historical fiction. there is no way to know exactly what happened on that flight. the events shown probably will be as close to what happened as we can tell, but that still doesn't mean they're accurate at all.
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Old 04-29-2006, 11:39 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Who all's planning on seeing this?

I think I'll be seeing it tonight at 7, so I'll have some thoughts afterwards most likely.
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Old 04-29-2006, 07:22 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Here's some of my thoughts - I guess the best way to describe it is tastefully done.

It follows all sides of the flight. You see the flight controls, the military, all of the air control people, the terrorists, and the people on the plane.

I can't really describe it.

Just see the movie. It's kind of an awe inspiring movie where you just can't say anything afterwards, and that's how I feel after seeing it.
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Old 05-02-2006, 07:23 AM   #16 (permalink)
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I probably won't see this movie for a few reasons.

1. I think the majority of people in this country are easily manipulated, and this is nothing more than "OMG, a movie about 9/11!!", so naturally people will flock to see it.. I mean, nothing good comes out of having a disturbing event take place, having people move on, then a few years later you stirring it back up. I don't think most people are smart enough to handle it, and we'll see another surge of twisted patriotism.

2. I'm willing to be that this movie isn't really that great, and that people will say it's great only because, for some reason, it's a "sensitive subject" to people.

3. To be honest, I'm tired of hearing about 9/11. It was 5 years ago. There isn't a week that goes by that we don't hear about "Terrorist this" or "Terrorist that". It's old - time to move on.

4. I remember on 9/11 saying to someone, "Well, just a matter of time before the movie is made." Here ya go.

What happened to the people who died was a tragedy, sure, but the events that happened afterward is a bigger one.
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Old 05-03-2006, 03:01 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I will not see the movie.

I believe the events depicted are at best pure fiction, and at worst outright lies. Then again, I also believe that flight 93 never crashed.

I am a person who tends to recieve every "conspiracy theory" with a hearty "BS" response. After consideration, I believe this has a lot of truth to it.

I urge you believe what you want, but I urge also you to watch the Loose Change video.

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Old 05-03-2006, 04:45 PM   #18 (permalink)
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isn't this movie called United 93 and not Flight 93?
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For those who think it's too soon...when isn't it too soon? Ten years..15, 20? Is there some set milestone that passes in which it's no longer a play on people's emotions to portray an event like this and is therefore suddenly in good taste to do so? Depicting world changing events like this on film will always stir memories and emotions...many vets had very strong reactions after viewing Saving Private Ryan, and that was 50 years after the fact. It's all a matter of personal taste and personal response, and some people are ready in terms of enough time having passed. There may not ever be enough passed time for some.

I don't know if I will see the movie or not. I like to go to movies to escape in a good/funny/entertaining story for a couple of hours...I don't think this will fit the bill.
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isn't this movie called United 93 and not Flight 93?
United 93 was a straight to video release. Flight 93 is a different film entirely.
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Old 05-10-2006, 08:22 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Seems to me after 3000+- Americans were murdered by our enemy who
preach hate and teach that we are to be killed because we are Jews
and Americans, we need more films like "UNITED 93". The bottom line
is that most American civilians are too soft and weak and have had
it too easy with all of our Freedoms and we need to be tougher and
aware of the rotten,corrupt enemies planning more terror.
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Old 05-11-2006, 05:49 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Most americans ARE too soft and weak, and that's why the situation is much worse now than before 9/11, and coincidentally not because of terrorists, but because of these very people.

People give into the "omg, terror exists!" boogeyman that's thrown out these days, and because of it, you have a huge group of the population more willing than ever to give up freedoms for security and privacy.

Movies like this just remind me of this whole disgusting situation.
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Old 05-11-2006, 06:52 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Seems to me after 3000+- Americans were murdered by our enemy who
preach hate and teach that we are to be killed because we are Jews
and Americans, we need more films like "UNITED 93". The bottom line
is that most American civilians are too soft and weak and have had
it too easy with all of our Freedoms and we need to be tougher and
aware of the rotten,corrupt enemies planning more terror.
I especially hate our freedoms. Freedom of speech, religion....press...unlawful search and seizure...the expectation of privacy...I get mad just thinking about them and how 'soft and weak' they've made me and my loved ones. I pine for simpler times.

I don't think those that would trade civil liberties for a modicum amount of security are 'soft and weak;' I just think they're stupid. And I really don't think that the simple existence of these 'freedoms' have made us any 'softer' and 'weaker.' A little apathetic maybe....

/end threadjack

Sorry.

As for the movie....can't we just let these people fucking die?

For the past 5 years this hasn't been out of the news for more than week at a time. From the clean-up, to the televisions specials, to the survivor's stories that we were saturated with, to the monuments, to the charity events, to the new building design, to the conventions, elections and re-elections, to the controversy over that, to the conspiracy theorists, all the way to this movie, 9/11 has become this ever-present event that's just exploited a little bit more every day.

Let these people die and give them their peace.
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As for the movie....can't we just let these people fucking die?

For the past 5 years this hasn't been out of the news for more than week at a time. From the clean-up, to the televisions specials, to the survivor's stories that we were saturated with, to the monuments, to the charity events, to the new building design, to the conventions, elections and re-elections, to the controversy over that, to the conspiracy theorists, all the way to this movie, 9/11 has become this ever-present event that's just exploited a little bit more every day.

Let these people die and give them their peace.
If you'd actually seen the film, you would realize it's not an exploitation. An exploitation uses something unethically or selfishly. This film does neither.
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If you'd actually seen the film, you would realize it's not an exploitation. An exploitation uses something unethically or selfishly. This film does neither.
And there's the Catch-22, huh? If you haven't seen the film, your opinion is based on assumption - and the only way to get informed is to be part of the studio's paycheck.

I still haven't decided if I'm going to go see it. But I'm glad to hear from so many that the film was done tastefully. That's not nothing....
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If you'd actually seen the film, you would realize it's not an exploitation. An exploitation uses something unethically or selfishly. This film does neither.
How do you know I haven't?

Unethically or selfishly for personal gain, if you'll allow me to merge your definition and Merriam-Webster's.

So....tear-wrenching movie about a group of people trapped on an airliner that's taken hostage by Muslim extremists determined to strike at the heart of the Great Satan, the United States of America. The story of a group of folks who bravely risked what was left of their lives to foil the terrorists. Todd Beamer, "Let's Roll" and that Pennsylvania field in the middle of nowhere, right? That story...?

So with that in mind, I have to ask...

Are they donating the proceeds this movie makes to the families of the victims of flight 93?
Are they donating the proceeds this movie makes to some 9/11 related charity or foundation?

Sort of....10% of the first 3 days of all box office revenue. I guess that's good enough though, no?

Somebody is going to (or will) make a lot of money off this film. Money made off the exploitation of the memory of a group of folks who got the very short end of the stick one Tuesday morning. Somebody is going to get a bigger house, a nicer car, a bit more prestige...whatever and it's going to be off the backs of those dead people. That is Hollywood and Hollywood doesn't do tasteful...well, they haven't yet. I guess maybe this could be their coming out party, but I seriously doubt it. All because we can't leave the dead alone.
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How do you know I haven't?

Unethically or selfishly for personal gain, if you'll allow me to merge your definition and Merriam-Webster's.

So....tear-wrenching movie about a group of people trapped on an airliner that's taken hostage by Muslim extremists determined to strike at the heart of the Great Satan, the United States of America. The story of a group of folks who bravely risked what was left of their lives to foil the terrorists. Todd Beamer, "Let's Roll" and that Pennsylvania field in the middle of nowhere, right? That story...?

So with that in mind, I have to ask...

Are they donating the proceeds this movie makes to the families of the victims of flight 93?
Are they donating the proceeds this movie makes to some 9/11 related charity or foundation?

Sort of....10% of the first 3 days of all box office revenue. I guess that's good enough though, no?

Somebody is going to (or will) make a lot of money off this film. Money made off the exploitation of the memory of a group of folks who got the very short end of the stick one Tuesday morning. Somebody is going to get a bigger house, a nicer car, a bit more prestige...whatever and it's going to be off the backs of those dead people. That is Hollywood and Hollywood doesn't do tasteful...well, they haven't yet. I guess maybe this could be their coming out party, but I seriously doubt it. All because we can't leave the dead alone.
Well, I see your point, but I still disagree. Something making money does not, in and of itself, make it an exploitation. Documentaries make money, after all. Do they exploit? It seems they would have to, by your description.

This movie is not a documentary, of course, but an attempt by the filmmaker to imagine what might have happened on that day.

And I know you haven't seen it because if you had we wouldn't be having this conversation.

There is no politics in the movie. There is no mention of Al-Queda or "The Great Satan, America." No one in the movie knows what is going on, and it is not explained to you. You see only what you would have if you were on the plane or in the air controller station. There are no political insinuations or sentimentalities. There are no heros. Everything is filmed in a detached sort of way that shows no bias for the passengers or the terrorists.

This movie has no opinions, which is why it is so good.
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Let me clarify my position a bit...

I cannot condemn everyone involved. I mean, even in such times, writers and artists can't stop being writers and artists. They're going to comment on what's happening and I shouldn't fault them for that.

But...it seems kind of silly to suggest that movie executives green light films based on anything other than 'how much money can we make of this?' I've never heard of a studio putting out a movie for any reason other than the promise of profit.

And that's kind of the problem I have with it. You say it's done tastefully and I believe you, but somewhere in his office, there's a movie executive who gave the go-ahead to make this movie because he knew he could make the studio a lot of money simply because of subject matter. That's a little a disgusting.
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What about a World War 2 movie? Or a Vietnam-America war movie? A lot of people tragically died, yet still movies are made about them. And, of course, people make lots of money off these movies. Does that make it exploitation?

So what's the difference between war movies and this movie?
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What about a World War 2 movie? Or a Vietnam-America war movie? A lot of people tragically died, yet still movies are made about them. And, of course, people make lots of money off these movies. Does that make it exploitation?

So what's the difference between war movies and this movie?
That's a tough question....

This is a fictional story with non-fiction characters. Actual people thrown into a fictional story supported by a thin framework of fact. They weren't consulted, they weren't interviewed, they weren't even asked if they wanted to be a part of the project.

Not to mention it's an emotionally manipulative movie. 9/11 hasn't really had time to settle. Every couple of months, someone comes along and rips the scab off, usually to get us to buy something from them or vote for them.

So....exploitation all round...both us the movie-goer, which I have no problem with because we have a choice and the memory of these poor, dead folks who don't.
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