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Old 01-12-2006, 07:42 AM   #241 (permalink)
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Jack met Anna Lucia in the airport before they boarded the plane. They had drinks together.

The statues have heroin in them. Charlie is a recovering heroin addict.

You're too nice, Charlie. You gotta grill those rookies. lol
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Old 01-12-2006, 07:56 AM   #242 (permalink)
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i read on another forum that people think michael maybe sick, as he was reading msgs from walt, but jack could not see them, possibly the first member to get the sickness?

very good episode, and i also agree that the black smoke could ruin it, but i hope the writers have some good story for it
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Old 01-12-2006, 08:25 AM   #243 (permalink)
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very good episode, and i also agree that the black smoke could ruin it, but i hope the writers have some good story for it
Black smoke? One word: nanotechnology.
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Old 01-12-2006, 09:42 AM   #244 (permalink)
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Over at Fark.com, in the official discussion thread from yesterday, some people posted TIVO'd screen caps taken from the "smoke's" point of view. In them you can see some images from Eko's memories, leading to speculation that the little nano beasties can read your mind, or at least judge you in some way.

Link: http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comm...IDLink=1852377

Just beware that by the end of the thread, joke images are being photoshopped in for fun.

Also, a farker called StubePT, posted the following, which I think is neat:

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Jack - Man of Science
Locke - Man of Fate
Ecko - Man of Faith
Edit: Another theory brought up in that thread, is that the magnetic fields and computer code are what contain the nano-cloud on the island, therebye protecting the rest of the world.
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Old 01-12-2006, 10:11 AM   #245 (permalink)
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That black smoke shit almost single handedly ruined Lost for me entirely....
I totally agree. They should never have shown the black smoke thing. Implied it was there, but never shown it.

How much more frightening would it have been if they had just cut back and forth between Mr. Eko staring it down and Charlie wetting himself interlaced with gutteral growling and first-person camera shots from the 'monster's' POV?

One of the reasons I've always enjoyed Lost was the fact that strange shit happens, but not strange enough to require an outlandish explanation.

I guess Michael is finally cracking up, eh?

And good for Charlie. I don't know what he's planning, but it's nice to have an 'escape' plan. If faced with starving to death, getting eaten by a polar bear, beaten to death by the 'others' or floating off to oblivion....I'd probably have to go with oblivion.

Edit: Just checked out the Fark thread and there was a reference to Eko's name and the word Echo (empty copy). I thought that was interesting since during one of the flashbacks Eko's brother told him he had no soul.
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Old 01-12-2006, 12:10 PM   #246 (permalink)
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Plus... I'd like to see Locke try to stare down the black smoke thing. Like I said, bad ass.
I think that (although not shown), it's already happened. It's already tested Locke, I believe. I think it happened early (I can't pinpoint the time). Remember when it was pulling him into a hole on Season 1 and he said "let me go! It's testing me!" (or something similiar)? He already knew what it was, so I think he faced it down before that.
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Old 01-12-2006, 12:13 PM   #247 (permalink)
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Interesting Latch. I'm not convinced though.
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Old 01-12-2006, 01:09 PM   #248 (permalink)
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there was an episode in the first season where locke stared down the black smoke... they didnt show the smoke at all

they just had the monster approach and then locke staring up at it...

i'll see if I can figure out which episode it was
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Old 01-12-2006, 01:25 PM   #249 (permalink)
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found it... its season one episode 4 about 30 minutes into the episode without commercials

locke is hunting boar and he's chasing one and then all of a sudden there are monster sounds and the trees start shaking. Then it goes from the monsters point of view as the monster pushes through the trees and goes down towards him. Locke has a look of awe on his face, and then it cuts to something else


I think thats locke getting tested by the black smoke.
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Old 01-12-2006, 01:53 PM   #250 (permalink)
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Well there you go. In that case, I would say that Eko, "not having a soul" isn't the issue here.

Perhaps it is their spirituality or even their lack of fear when it comes to death.
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Old 01-13-2006, 07:05 AM   #251 (permalink)
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I still like your (original) theory that they're all due for redemption. Eko and Locke have both been tested and found 'worthy' as being good people (although they believe/pursue different things). They have gotten over the skelletons in their closets.

Once again, IMHO (based off Char's HO ).
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Old 01-13-2006, 07:31 AM   #252 (permalink)
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Interesting Latch. That fits with the theory nicely.

One question, why did the smoke try to take Locke when they had the dynamite?
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Old 01-13-2006, 03:14 PM   #253 (permalink)
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Hmmm, I'll have to re-watch that episode before I make a guess...
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Old 01-13-2006, 03:53 PM   #254 (permalink)
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to those who replied to my post:

Im actually not a rookie. Ive been watching since the beginning. I guess i dont remember Anna Lucia, which is weird cause i would think i would have remembered Michelle Rodriguez. As for the statues, I guess I should have worded it differently. My thinking is that Charlie isnt going to start using again. I just dont see it happening. So why does he have a whole pile of statues buried. Maybe he's planning a mass suicide if they dont get rescued. Or maybe he wants to cash in when they do get rescued.
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Old 01-13-2006, 04:36 PM   #255 (permalink)
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I think he's using them as a security blanket. He can go back to it if he needs to, but for now he has the willpower to stay away from it.. just not enough to not grab it when he can.
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Old 01-15-2006, 01:08 AM   #256 (permalink)
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I think he's using them as a security blanket. He can go back to it if he needs to, but for now he has the willpower to stay away from it.. just not enough to not grab it when he can.
Yep, i agree with that.

i wanna know how the drug plane ended up on the island too !?
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Old 01-15-2006, 01:57 AM   #257 (permalink)
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Somehow got off-track, just like the Oceanic Air flight... and the pirate ship.. and.. whatever else may be on that island
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Old 01-16-2006, 09:32 PM   #258 (permalink)
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The drug plane came from Africa. The idea of it going halfway around the world all the way to the middle of the Pacific Ocean is very unlikely. Either the island is moving, one of the planes was flying a very strange detour, or there is some sort of warp.

Official websites on the net(http://www.thehansofoundation.org/) keep referencing an island in Zanzibar or something, which is much closer to Africa, there could be some sort of connection between the two islands.
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Old 01-18-2006, 09:31 PM   #259 (permalink)
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i read on another forum that people think michael maybe sick, as he was reading msgs from walt, but jack could not see them, possibly the first member to get the sickness?

very good episode, and i also agree that the black smoke could ruin it, but i hope the writers have some good story for it
I thought he either turned the monitor off on the sly, or it had a screen saver like power down/ sleep mode.. although it never occured to me that he was a nutter.
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Old 01-19-2006, 03:56 AM   #260 (permalink)
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I thought he either turned the monitor off on the sly, or it had a screen saver like power down/ sleep mode.. although it never occured to me that he was a nutter.

Last night's episode sure made it seem like Michael was losing a few of his marbles...

Speaking of last nights show, another mediocre effort in my opinion. Bringing in the others was just another example of the writers dangling a carrot that really provides the viewer with nothing new, nothing important and nothing that develops the plot.

I did predict the 'army' idea that Jack proposed to Anna Lucia at the end of the show... That would make for an excellent season finale, although I don't forsee it ending this season, maybe next...
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Old 01-19-2006, 08:07 AM   #261 (permalink)
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didnt really enjoy the episode, but i like where the army thing is going, makes me so angry that jack could ask so many more questions in a spot like that but doesnt !
sucks now to wait a whole week now to see wat happens next lol
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Old 01-19-2006, 08:17 AM   #262 (permalink)
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Daoust... isn't the whole premise of the show to continually dangle carrots and to slowly reveal more information (while creating more questions).

That is the whole point of Lost.


I thought the episode was fine. We have a little more of Jack's background, though I still wonder why his Dad ended up as he did.

Sawyer and Kate seem a little bit closer, Michael is nuts, the Korean couple has reached a new plateau in their relationship and Hurley has the hots for the psychiatrist.

I'd say, quite a bit of character development occurred.
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Old 01-19-2006, 09:48 AM   #263 (permalink)
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I know it's all about character development. I know. But I think I just got used to the idea of huge chunks of plot development being thrown at me, and then when it turns into pebbles, I am left disillusioned, hungy....

I just wish, like heywhatsup, that Jack would have asked more questions to the others. So much to know. So much to ask... But nothing!!! NOTHING! I know. THey'll meet up with the others again soon, have another directionless conversation, and leave again. I'll just have to wait till then.
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Old 01-19-2006, 09:53 AM   #264 (permalink)
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Hahaha... infuriating is LOST.
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Old 01-19-2006, 12:02 PM   #265 (permalink)
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yah it is...
I completely agree with you Daoust
Jack really should have asked the others more questions

so they are gonna battle the others... or atleast be ready for a battle...
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Old 01-19-2006, 12:29 PM   #266 (permalink)
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I think "zeke"s analogy was dumbass. If I went over to somebody's house for the first time and they started kidnapping and killing my friends and family, then damn strait I'm gonna trounce all through their house.

And when jack's wife said she had been seeing someone else, and she was leaving, I'd have been all about jumpin in the car and going back to a little grieving latino hottie action.
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Old 01-19-2006, 12:32 PM   #267 (permalink)
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Anyone else think that the "someone" Jack's wife is seeing is Jack's father?
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Old 01-19-2006, 12:56 PM   #268 (permalink)
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Anyone else think that the "someone" Jack's wife is seeing is Jack's father?
I'm sure it's somebody thats connected.

Top 3 guesses would be (in no order)
1)Jacks Dad
2)Sawyer
3)Desmond

But then again the way she said "someone" maybe hinted at some muffin luvin.
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Old 01-19-2006, 11:01 PM   #269 (permalink)
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Well, I thought it was an amazing episode. Nice interaction with the "others". Sawyer's, or should i say James', last words...."Me and you aint done Zeke". It got my blood pumping. I think people need to realize this isnt a mini-series. They are going to make this last as long as possible. Its at the top of the ratings chart. Why would they want it to end. The "dangling carrots" are what make this show what it is. Im really surprised at the response to this episode.
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Old 01-19-2006, 11:05 PM   #270 (permalink)
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Oh yeah, Jack's dad? I dont think so. Sawyer, definitely has some possibilities, but i doubt it. I think Jack's wife leaving him isnt going to be a big secret we are waiting for the answers to. For it to be a part of the story, the person would probably have to be on the island. And i think Jack would have noticed them by now.
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Old 01-20-2006, 12:12 PM   #271 (permalink)
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Anyone else think that the "someone" Jack's wife is seeing is Jack's father?
In a way I thought that was the next thing to come out of her mouth and was surprised (stupidly) that it was not and left unresolved.

Jack is inspirational to me. I just know the writers are going to show me he is a piece of crap or something. I am not the cheating type and don't think it would have happened to me, but that being said, having the old guy die on the table must have been pretty emotional for him. I suppose I could see how she kissed him and he kissed her back. The integrity that it took to tell his wife was really something else. He didn't wait days or longer to tell her. He told her straight away. What could not have been easy.

I really enjoy the charachter development in the show and the depth. It is interesting to show the "good guys finish last / girls like the bad boy" stuff with Kate. Looking at it the way they present it, Kate hates herself and so being around Jack makes her make uncomfortable realizations about herself. Therefore, she can be happy withherself when she can comiserate with "Sawyer".

Wonder how many times that is the case with gals in the real world?
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Old 01-21-2006, 07:07 PM   #272 (permalink)
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i think mr-ecko's past was one of the best stories

and if you guys remember in this just past episode one of the others (zeke i think his name is) was talking to jack about curiosity...saying "a man much smarter then us once said......"

well the guy who he was talking about is hanso
take a look at the http://www.thehansofoundation.org/ for his quote
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Old 01-22-2006, 02:39 AM   #273 (permalink)
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the others have to be monitoring the castaways, everything "zeke" said was a fact, like the comment about opening doors, and he looked at locke
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Old 01-25-2006, 07:15 PM   #274 (permalink)
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Zeke IS Hanso....

Claire is the Virgin Mary (she wears blue a lot, had a baby with a mysterious father, always looks beautiful, etc) (edit: I mean metaphorically, of course)
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Old 01-28-2006, 08:22 AM   #275 (permalink)
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My current theory:

This show is starting to get boring. Get to the point. Start answering some questions that are left over from the first season before introducing new questions. Stop showing flashbacks that add nothing to the story line.
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Old 01-28-2006, 10:36 AM   #276 (permalink)
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Guess I'm the one Oddball here that has a few gripes with LOST. I did
not like it at first...then I read where it was a SCIENCE FICTION show?
so I started looking and liked it more. My main gripe is it takes TOO
long to tell the story...should move faster. WHERE is the SCI-FI stuff?
(Yes the mystery animals, the computer in the underground Bunker. When
are they going to find the crashed ALIEN Flying Saucer?) STOP all of the
flashbacks about the people.We know their stories by now.

I still think X FILES was the best TV program. Mulder and Sculley
running around chasing all kinds of UFOs,Aliens and various monsters
and they did a whole show in an HOUR. Yes, they never got the goods
on the Mystery men: Cigarette Smoking Man, ect. CHRIS CARTER was the
best guy in creating a cool TV program. Now all the good shows are
on ABC. DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES,GREY'S ANATOMY,BOSTON LEGAL and Fox's "24".
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Old 01-28-2006, 10:50 AM   #277 (permalink)
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Speaking of "24": I know this will NEVER HAPPEN but I'd LOVE to see a
episode where Jack Bauer is busy as Hell,saving us from Atomic Bombs,
keeping the No-good President alive and stopping the terrorists from
blowing up everything when......the most beautiful babe in the world
wants him to join her in her hotel bedroom.......and there is a closeup
of Jack's sweaty face and his mind is going crazy.......and finally
he makes a decision.(Probably show ends here or whole year ends to hold
over Summer break. What does Jack do? Probably he says NO to her right?

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Old 01-28-2006, 05:19 PM   #278 (permalink)
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There is something seriously wrong with Libby. First off, she told Hurley that he stepped on her foot when he got on the plane, which does not make sense because she was in the back of the plane! Hurley was in the front of the plane when he was making his entrance. So, he didn't step on anyone's foot.

Secondly, this little lie might lead to the two of them meeting at the psych ward. This is just a theory, but perhaps she was in there for being a compulsive liar. I am not exactly sure if they place people in a ward for that kind of thing.

Also, Libby mentioned the fact that the washer/dryer set was the only thing new in the hatch. Why would the hatch contain old computers from the 70's and have new washer/dryer units?
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Old 01-28-2006, 05:54 PM   #279 (permalink)
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Hurley definanately stepped on someone's feet getting on the plane. I don't have that episode so I can't check. Can some else check?

The fact that she was in the front doesn't mean much. Bernard was in the front when they took off but in the back for the crash (he was in the bathroom).
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@RonRyan: this is probably gonna sound prickish, but people who like this show for the "science fiction" aspect to it are never, ever going to be satisfied with where the show ends up. Given what they've introduced, there is nothing that can act as a fitting tell-all explanation. soo... be prepared for dissapointment.

The characters (flashbacks included!) are the meat and potatoes of this show.

oh yea, and I think that Hurley knowing Libby from the nut house is a good call. Didn't he ask Libby if he's met her before? Something tells me he's referring to an occasion prior to the plane ride....
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