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Star Trek: Enterprise has been cancelled.

I was not a fan. I watched the first episode hoping it would be good. It wasn't. The very lame opening theme coupled with equally un-inspired storyline made me turn it off.

I heard that there was a "lesbian" scene in one episode. Ha! Yeah, right. Was there? That wouldn't be enough to save it, I guess.

Ever since Roddenberry died, it's gone downhill. I mean, with this series at least, you can only go so far without introducing something stupid like time-shifts or holographic technology (after all, the warp drive wasn't even perfected in this series).

*sigh*. I await Berman's next screw-up.

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shakran

I can't say I'm surprised. Seems like nearly every episode involved the hot vulcan chick getting some horrible space-germ that could only be killed if a male member of the crew rubbed her naked body with oil. When people want to see stuff like that, they turn to the internet, not star trek. That was only the first sign that the writers had NO ideas.

Willravel

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!! I hate Viacom. I hate them so much. They ruined Voyager by hiring retarded writers, and they ruined Enterprise by putting it at the same time as the #1 Science fiction show on television, Stargate SG-1. Those people are the biggest asses. I hope to God that WB or SciFi will pick up this wonderful show. Just when the writing really takes a turn for the better, they cancel it.

blitz.fenix

Glad they finally put it out of its misery, more limelight for Stargate SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis.

Willravel

Any show on UPN that doesn't feature original kings of comedy or sweaty fake wrestlers is doomed anyway. Tha fact that Enterprise lasted this long says quite a bit. Imagine what a real network like SciFi, Showtime, or HBO could do with Enterprise. That would of course happen only in my dreams.

I hope this isn't the end of Bakula, Billingsley, or Blalock. They could give Phlox his own show.

guthmund

No joke. It was certainly an odd choice to stick Enterprise on UPN. I really wanted to like this show as I really like Bakula, but, in the end, it really was too much. I think it lasted as long as it did simply because there wasn't anything worth a shit to replace it. Does anybody even watch UPN other than the Smackdown fans? I can't think of one good show I've seen...

It would've been interesting to see SciFi do it. Considering how much success they've had with the Stargate franchise and now Battlestar Galactica.


Oh well....

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pan6467

It wasn't a "great" show but had potential to be much better. The problem is Viacom I believe has been trying to destroy this Billion Dollar franchise for years.

I remember not too long ago the ST Video game maker sued Viacom for not promoting Star Trek better and coming out with new Star Trek ideas.

In my opinion ST started going down with NG and all the shows in the "holodeck" and morality. It really didn't show many "new worlds and species" like the first did after the 3rd or 4th season.

Think I am one of the few Trekkies that didn't like Deep Space 9, yet loved Voyager (although it was a little too PC). But in that era it was hard to top Babylon 5...... that should have been a Trek.

I think part is bad writers and part is that Berman and Viacom have no direction to take the franchise and won't give up control to someone who can take it to a higher plane.

As for Sci-Fi they are blowing ST away and have since coming out with Stargate.

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ICER

Like I posted on Will's thread "Enterprise". I hope the Sci-Fi channel picks it up. It really doesn't belong on UPN anyway.

Let us not forget that the original Star Trek didn't do that well either. The same for TNG. its first couple of years were rocky. Most of the Trek series didn't do well till its 3rd or 4th season. They should give it more time. And maybe a smoother story line.

Personally. I liked it

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archer2371

Yeah, it was really starting to come around, it's a damn shame.

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FoolThemAll

I enjoyed DS9, but count me in as another big fan of Voyager. I thought Janeway was an excellent captain.

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Val_1

I really had hopes for Enterprise and I really tried to like it. Foced myself to sit through it many times, hoping the the writing would eventually get better. It never did live up to it's potential. It's better to just cancel it.

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Hardknock

I'm sorry to see it go. The third season pretty much sucked with that whole "zindi" storyline. I though Scott Bakula was a poor choice to be the Captain. He was too soft. He didn't have the extra "umph" that Picard, or Sisko had. I'll admit that things were starting to pick up with the fourth season. I might have to get satellite if Sci-Fi picks it up.

LutherMac

Just saw over at /. that there's actually a group out there trying to pay for another season of Enterprise. They're hoping to raise a few million to help offset the cost of the series, and hopefully get another season.

http://slashdot.org/articles/05/02/0...id=214&tid=129

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Willravel

I'll donate when the hq is legitimate. I've already contacted Paramount and Viacom. We'll have to wait and see.

archer2371

willravel, if Enterprise returns for only one season, you will be my personal hero.

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Willravel

We'll just have to give it all our effort. We were able to get a lot of money and backing together for Farscape, I don't see why this'll be a whole lot different. I know KFC will eb the first name on my list though. KFC was willing to put a lot into the Peacekeeper Wars. The problem is that an entire season will be much more expensive than a made-for-tv movie. It was a small price to pay for closure, but it was still a big pricetag. The estimated production costs on TrekBBS, $35,200,000, will not be easy to gather. It may be a few years, if ever, before that kind of capitol can be collected. Sponsership will of course be our best bet. In conjunction with internet donation sites, I estimate we can maybe get a few mill together. That falls short.

We'll just have to give it all our effort.

stevie667

IMO, they should have stuck with tried and tested star trek forumla, stuck it in the time period after Voyager ended (star trek universe time, not real world), and put STAR TREK in the frickin' name! The CGI sucked too, i don't know if they changed companies or what, but it was so under-par compared to DS9 and Voyager.

They really limited themselves by putting it before all the other shows, and although the premise was good, it just didn't work out. Scott Bakula really didn't get himself together until the later seasons, when all the other captains had already got out of the 'be nice' stage, and into the 'woop your ass' stage by season 2/3.

Still a shame though.

Zotz

I'm really bummed out that they're cancelling this series. The first two seasons were so-so. Season 3 was better and this last season has been pretty darn good.

wondash

At least they're keeping the sets up for now. TrekUnited Takes Further Leaps

Willravel

TrekUnited Contribution is where you can contribute to a new season of Enterprise. I've contacted Pepsi and AOL about possible corpriate funding, as well as donating myself. Current moneys total to $*3,119,074.62. Let's keep it coming. Donate $10 even. It's better than nothing and shows your support.

Gilda

I don't think that could happen. Paramount owns Star Trek, and they're not going to put new episodes on a network they don't own. I doubt you'll ever see a first run syndicated Trek series ever again.

I wasn't a fan of the series itself, but I'm a big Linda Park fan, and anything that keeps her on TV is a good thing.

Charlatan

You will if the other network pays enough. Studios are always producing something and airing it on a competing network.

Fox produced Buffy and Angel by they broadcast on WB and UPN.

Fox aired other Star Trek series as well.

If UPN can't pony up the license fee Paramount distribution will just take their show elsewhere.

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arch13

Well I happened to love this show far more than any other Startrek. I liked the first series with Kirk, and this series, and that was it.
I actually thought TNG and Voyager were terrible series's that where cold and dry. Ugh.

I just pulled the last two ep's off of IRC and watched them (Living without a TV and liking a show can be difficult)
The use of TNG in the last episode was horrible. Using characters from another startrek series that had terrible acting to end Enterprise was a really bad idea.
I'm sorry if I'm ranting but I could never stand TNG and seeing it forcefully injected into the last episode when there was so much about the founding of the federation they could have covered really ticked me off.

I'm really sad to see this series go. It was well acted, well written, and well produced in my book.

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exizldelfuego

Just watched the final bit as well. The use of TNG cast isn't entirely unprecedented as TNG marked the beginning of the second run of Star Trek, with this episode marking the second run's end. In a way, I think the writers were trying for a "coming full circle" type deal. Only problem is that they based the episode in the middle of a TNG episode, in the middle of the TNG series (an episode which wasn't all that good anyways). Keeping in mind that TNG/DS9/Voyager all happened in the same Star Trek "time period," they should have had the TNG component wrap up that end of the timeline as well, ie set them further past ST: Nemesis/Voyager, whichever came later (I cant remember). Had they done this, I think that it could have worked pretty well... or at least it'd be justified. Ending the second run with the beginning of the second run at the end of the second run, chronologically... if that makes any sense.

But, they didn't. And so I agree with arch13 in that they should have just kept the show contained within Enterprise itself (instead of making it a TNG episode) and focus on the creation of the federation.

PS. Just a little background on my experience with Star Trek. A few years ago, I decided that, since I hadn't watched any Star Trek ever, I'd make it my goal to see everything Star Trek. After all, what's a CompSci major who HASNT seen them all? So, for the last few years I've been downloading seasons of all the star trek series and, for better or worse, have now watched them all. With the end of Enterprise, I feel both sad and relieved. Relieved in that my goal is finally complete, sad because now I actually have to go make friends again

Willravel

exizldelfuego - Nemesis came after Voyager (remember Admiral Janeway?).

I really enjoyed the last episode. I remember watching the Pegasus ep of TNG with great interest (Federation phase cloak!!), but what made that episode good for me was that Riker actually was torn between his duty and his loyalty. That stuck in my mind until I saw it's application to Trip's death (was that a spoiler?) yesterday. I think it helped to expand quite nicely on a chapter of TNG, but I did feel a litle let down that the Enterprise part of the stor was thin. Couldn't they have had a bigger last mission?! Saving Shran's daughter, while nobel, was truely boring and really seemed disconnected. It cheaped Trip's death for me a bit. The ending vindicated the episode. There was the connection between 3 generations of Enterprise captians. After seeing every episode of each series (even the crappy cartoon of TOS), I felt like it was a really nice way to wrap things up.

On a related note...anyone think there is a snowballs chance in hell of one last Star Trek movie?

t3m3st

Didn't watch much of this series. I thought the first few episodes were a bit of a letdown, and watched the show occationally when my dad does. I enjoyed it, but not to the extent that I would stop working or going out Friday nights (like I did with Firefly)

But yeah. I picked a HELL of a night to start LOVING it.

I don't know about everyone else, but after the last ep, which was awesome, with the Riker and the Troi and the holodeck and the fun, there was another episode on City TV in Toronto. After the finale, there was an episode where some scientists found some frozen Borg in the arctic circle and part of the Borg Sphere from First Contact. At the end we learn that the Borg will be coming to Earth in 200 years. My dad told me he hadn't seen it and that it was first or second season (based on the intro and Archer's hair). Picked a hell of a night to get hooked. DAMN

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exizldelfuego

willtravel, I actually was remembering admiral janeway from nemesis, but I just wasn't sure. I've seen so much in such a short time frame that my memory could have been conglomerating things. Thanks for the re-assurance.

As for the possibility of future Star Trek movies, I'd say that the absence of Star Trek on TV makes more ST movies inevitable. The reason why earlier ST movies did so well (I'm uhhh.... assuming they did well because I don't really know that) was that the fans were hungry for ST when there was none on TV. And I'd venture the guess that the biggest reason why the latest ST movies haven't been so well received is that there HAS been ST on TV. And every ST has had 1hr long episodes. So a movie is really just a 2-episode arc with an increased budget - nothing to get too worked up about. But now that there won't be any more on TV, the movies have another chance to shine.

What'll be weird though is how they create a new star trek story without drawing on characters whose star trek chapter has since come to a close. I've heard rumor that a concept for a new ST movie in circulation is another pre-federation storyline, but without the cast of Enterprise. And in this case, a completely new cast is almost a necessity. It almost makes you wonder if the next Star Trek series is about a decade out, giving them enough time to assemble a new cast and crew, endear them to the world through a few full-length movies, and then turn them loose on TV. Now that'd be doing things in reverse.

punx1325

I thought the season finale was fucking awful, the season had been going strong all year and then they let me down with that sad excuse as a series finale. Voyager had a great ending, they could have done the same here. I mean we didn't even get to hear Archer's speech at the Charter signing. Oh well, I guess that is one show less I have to keep up on, TV is just a real disappointment now-a-days...

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ForgottenKnight

I loved Enterprise. While the first two seasons were geared towards getting non-trek fans into it, the third and fourth seasons were geared towards those that had been with Star Trek for ages. Those two seasons were great! And the acting was great! The writting could have improved a bit. And the time slot not being changed around, and more advertising on other stations (most fans I know don't watch UPN except for Enterprise). Then the changing of the time slot (and lack of advertisement on the change) to compete against Sci-Fi Fridays was the stupidest idea ever considering that most of the fans of Star Trek are also Stargate fans. The ratings at their lowest were still much higher than many shows on tv that are considered "successful." So dispite what they say about it being the ratings, it was UPN's politics that killed the show. These include such things as UPN trying to gear everything towards the females and black communities, and some of UPN's top offices being held by people who don't like any Star Trek to begin with.

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stevie667

You have a very good point there, Star Trek has usually been a victim of it's own success. TNG was taken off air because networks no longer wished to buy episodes as they had hundreds in stock, the market was saturated with a plethora of merchandise, and it could no longer continue as a series. The series torch was taken over by DS9 (which, incidently, only got good when they started flying around the place, not sitting) and then by voyager.

Star trek series also have the problem of they suck in the first few series. The characters always take a few years to settle into one another, and the show premise before the writers can really start taking advantage of everything. Enterprise was just starting to get good, i've been glued to my seat over the past few episodes instead of channel wandering like i did in series 2+3 (series 1 always got my attention because it was new).

If they bring out a star trek movie, hopefully they will have the good enough sense to bring it out after voyager in the timeline, and we'll get to see all the nifty new technology. This was always the fun bit about the show, all the gadgets getting smaller and better.



As people mentioned before, Stargate has taken a huge fanbase. I myself am now a devoted gater, then a trekkie. However, season 9 of stargate looks to be the last (don't quote me, it was meant to end at season 6), and after that there will only be atlantis.

If they do decide to bring out another series at some point in the future, they will only have 1 stargate show to contend with, not two.


I'm waiting on star trek 11, whenever the hell they decide to bring it out. They also better sort out some better CGI than enterprise damnit!

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Willravel

No problema.
Well...we have plenty of options, as far as I'm concerned!
1. A true TNG closer (not just a tag line to the movie saying 'a Generations final blah blah'). I'd like to see one final TNG whee the gauntlet is passed on, much like Generations was for TOS. The problem is that the time travel thing has been beaten to death in Trek movies, so Enterprise would be almost impossible to tie in. Voyager and DS9 may not have the following to pull people into the theatres for $10 a pop. So what do we do? TNG leads into the next crew of the Enterprise - after the Picard/Riker/Troy/La Forge crew. That would bring back a lot of the TNG fans, and possibly make for a great opening for Star Trek: Omega. This series can bring back Wes Crusher (with almost Travler-like abilities) and a crew that not only explores space, but dimentions and realities and such. The series can end with humanity evolving beyond the Q (with some memorable apearances by John DeLancie).
2. There were three years between the second to the last and last episode of Enterprise, and that gives us a huge window for making someone special. They have a great deal of potential.
3. A Defiant movie? I know Defiant was linked to DS9 in the past, but it doesn't have to be now.
4. The return of TinMan. That little ship that could was quite interesting.

stevie667

Dear god no!

As much as i enjoyed him in TNG, theres no way in hell that little brat shall be allowed to rejoin a series, let alone with super-human abilities.


There is an official cannon for the future, humans are around in the 2900s with temporal technology, we see it in several voyager episodes. I think they should do a series a hundred or so years behind this time so we can see them having fun with temporal tech

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Janey

the last episode tied in the ST movie First Contact ( I believe it was First Contact) with the discovery of the frozen Borg at the Arctic circle, and the Enterprise's subsequent chase of them to discover/prevent their advertising of the existance of Earth.

The crashed ship was the Borg Sphere that was destroyed in First Contact. There were references to Cochrane and how he drank and therefore his diary entries giving accounts of cyborgs and humans from the future were dismissed as fanciful. I found this last episode (It was shown on CityTv after the holodeck episode on Friday) to be fairly interesting, as it continued to tie in the plots of the future Star Trek univers.

stevie667

[QUOTE=Janey]the last episode tied in the ST movie First Contact ( I believe it was First Contact) with the discovery of the frozen Borg at the Arctic circle, and the Enterprise's subsequent chase of them to discover/prevent their advertising of the existance of Earth.[QUOTE]


The borg on earth ties in with the TNG episode where picard gets assimilated by the borg and they launch their first attack on earth (the battle of Wolf 359 ensues). First contact happens because the borg wanted to have another go.

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Janey

i'm not sure about that. that episode you refer to is when Picard becomes Locutus right? They did not go into the past in that episode.

In First Contact, the Enterprise follows a Borg Sphere through a time discontinuity to the past, to the point where Cochrane is about to launch his first warp drive, and the Vulcans show up. The Borg Sphere ends up being destroyed, and the alternate future of an assimilated Earth is avoided. The activities of the future enterprise crew and the Borg are what are referenced in the final Enterprise episode when they say that Cochrane was known for his drinking etc...

Of course, this is stuff that I can recall from watching these shows, I don't know how accurate I am in remembering them.

stevie667

It's an interesting paradox, but i'll try and explain myself.

Lets start off in the 'past' so we can go through the timeline.

Borg sphere found on earth, borg assimilate a few people, and send off subspace message to delta quadrant. It's stated that this will take a few hundred years to get there, and has the co-ordinates to earth.

Several hundred years in the future a borg ship is on the way to earth, and assimiltes picard. This is the first time we see the borg on the way to earth. It's here that the message is meant to tie in, the borg get it and decide to come chew over earth. Naturally they get defeated, and everythings ok, minus some 40,000 Starfleet personel.

Several years after that, the borg send another cube to earth, which is what happens in first contact. The borg are aware that by stopping earth developing warp travel, they can assimilate them (or something along those lines). The borg sphere we see here is shot down and crashes on earth (which is found in the enterprise episode), and the TNG crew saves the day.

Now we go back to step one, enterprise discovers the borg sphere remains, and a message gets sent off to the delta quadrant. The cycle starts over again.



Time travel makes my head hurt.

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Janey

Plus there's all that messing around in the Delta quad by Janeway and her Crew with the Borg. You would think that the Borg would have enough on their hands, without sending a special force all the way to the Alpha quad, for one measely little blue planet, 3rd from the sun...

stevie667

Yeh, i like voyager, they only start to panic when there are 3+ borg cubes, they even go up against tactical cubes, now thats having balls!

I think that the borg won't appear too much in the near future star trek wise. The federation has technology perfectly able to open seriously large cans of woop-ass thanks to future janeway.


I was watching deep space nine today, and it struck me how well some of the characters are actually written, namely Garak. I know the full plot to do with garak from watching every episode, but i love how they start him off with such a mystery around him and how he never gives anyone the truth, even if his life depends on it. He's a crafty little guy, not in the same way as quark, he's more sophisticated in his approach. Damned good watching.

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Gilda

I don't think a newer generation will work. The technology's getting so advanced that it takes over the plots of the stories, or every problem could be easily solved by a techno gadget from some previous episode, which sets up continuity problems.

I like the idea of having a parallel show. Set the action at the same time as TOS, with well established technology that's futuristic, but not so much that it fixes every problem. It's a time of exploration, and we know there were 12 other constitution class Starships out there. Give us another Constitution class, with a new crew, exploring a different part of the galaxy.

Or, as someone suggested, jump way ahead, to the 29th century, and set the show on a time ship. Now I generally hate time loop stuff myself, so bear with me a moment. The 29th century timeship could be a framing device for the actual show, which would seldom or never actually happen in the 29th century. Instead, we'd follow operatives being sent back in time to fix problems in the timeline. You could go to any of the three eras, or to the era between Enterprise and TOS, or the eugenics war. You could have three or four episode arcs in one era, then jump to a new one. It could be a Trek version of Quantum Leap or Voyagers! You could even occasionally send an operative back into an episode of one of the earlier series to work behind the lines.

Or, if you must do a "Next Generation" fill the gap. We still have a gap between Enterprise and TOS.

Or, assume that the timeline has been messed up by the temoral cold war, and the Xindi thing and the Borg and Voyager tampering, and reboot to the time of TOS, with the Enterprise, but with a new crew.

Or, Show the very first voyages of the NCC1701, the one with Pike, Number One, and Spock as a junior officer.

Not that I'm a Trek nerd or anything. But I will be watching the next trek series.

Ohhhhh. Star Trek: Starfleet Academy. Follow a group of cadets as they go through their four years of Starfleet Academy. If it's still alive, follow a small group on their first starship assignment, or jump ahead five years for a sequel series.

No, I haven't given it much thought. Just because I can explain exactly why all Trek species are humanoid and can interbreed does not make me a Trek nerd.

By the way, the best episode of each series is, without question:

TOS: The City on the Edge of Forever
TNG: The Best of Both Worlds
DS9: The Visitor
Voy: Living Witness
Ent: Vanishing Point

Although, for personal reasons, I harbor a very keen affection for Cogenitor (Ent.) and Outcast TNG, but recognize that they are not as good as those I've listed.

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stevie667

I've given up trying to explain to people why 99% of ST species are humanoid and look the same, it's just too much effort and i get too many geek remarks. Now if people ask all they get is 'Because they DO!' and an angry look.

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