Self-Destructing DVDs - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

wondash · 05-20-2003, 05:17 AM

So we can add these to the other billion AOL cds in our landfills.

GSRIDER · 05-20-2003, 07:42 AM

What a fuckin waste.... as if there isn't enough disposable products out there already

Cynthetiq · 05-20-2003, 08:21 AM

it's an interesting business model from what I can tell. They can sell a destructable movie for US$5 vs. owning it for US$20. I see it's value to some degree, I'm not sure what arrangement Disney Studios has with Blockbuster, but I can see this cannibalizing some of the rental market.

Ganguro · 05-20-2003, 08:33 AM

I agree very interesting model.. similar somewhat to the DivX scheme back in the mid 90's. Except you can watch these howevermany times you want in 2 days. I'd do it. Rent/Buy a disc for 5-10 bucks, and if i like it burn it, then chuck it. Though admittedly, it is very wasteful.

fuelmyfire · 05-20-2003, 11:30 AM

i heard these DVD's are recylcable.

is this not true??

denim · 05-20-2003, 11:55 AM

All I figure will happen is that people will use them as sources, then burn their own DVDs w/o region coding. This might survive, but I wouldn't invest any money in it.

quest1mark · 05-20-2003, 01:05 PM

i say open it, burn it. sell for 10. priceless.

apetaster · 05-20-2003, 03:35 PM

I see this as having about as much market viability as those listerine gel strips. I can't say that I think Mr. Eisner is going to be happy with this decision in about 2 years. DIVX looks like sheer brilliance compared to this. Buy cheaper, burn, pirate. I don't see the upside.

Podmore · 05-23-2003, 07:44 PM

Please, please people don't buy these things. If no one buys them, they'll die out and they'll kill the idea. If they make money, they'll be here to stay.

crewsor · 05-23-2003, 07:55 PM

What I don't understand is if they can sell disposables for 5.00, why are permanent ones 20.00. How do they save money by making them self destruct? It would seem that would increase production costs.

Mr.Deflok · 05-23-2003, 09:40 PM

Awesome, I can buy and rip a DVD and sell it to make shitloads more cash than the distributors!

My god, how dumb can you get! I guess it's not as bad as flavourless chicken.

Gortexfogg · 05-24-2003, 12:31 AM

The sad thing is, for less than five bucks you can just rent these the old way and rip and burn. Disney needs to live in the future and get out of the Disney vault.

3leggedfrog · 05-25-2003, 09:29 PM

heres a thought, they probley incoded so people can't burn them.

Mr.Deflok · 05-26-2003, 12:48 AM

Since when did copy-protection do it's job 100%?

Podmore · 05-27-2003, 02:24 PM

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Originally posted by crewsor
What I don't understand is if they can sell disposables for 5.00, why are permanent ones 20.00. How do they save money by making them self destruct? It would seem that would increase production costs.

Because it only costs a fraction of that to actually press the disk. It's the movie production costs that they're trying to get back (well, in most cases, they're into profit by the time of the DVD). They believe that if the disks are cheap and self-destruct, they'll sell more units of them, so they'll make more profit in the long run.

This stuff is bad for the consumer. If we don't buy them, they won't keep trying to jam them down our throats.

wondash · 05-28-2003, 04:37 AM

It only costs pennies to press a DVD and the initial cost of the new technology has long been covered by profits. The only reason DVD's (and CD's) cost so much it because the industry is gouging the consumer. It's a form of price fixing.

Reese · 05-28-2003, 02:54 PM

Am I the only one that likes this idea? Owning a small video store I think this idea is great if I can get it Wholesale for $1.50 and sell it for $2.50. $5 is way to much for 48 hours though. I can rent it at blockbuster for that and keep it a week.

The thing I like most is the first day sales on them. If we buy 4 of a hit movie, the first day all of them are rented in an hour and the whole day we are turning away customers. We could buy a few hundred of these and 1 regular dvd and when we run out of the disposable just rent the regular and we aren't out as much money.

phyzix525 · 05-30-2003, 06:41 AM

I can see its benifits, but I doubt that Disney is going to let movie rental places have them. Chances are they will set it up where you have to go online to get them cause its so new and "cool"

BlueBongo · 05-10-2004, 05:36 AM

Hey, they are already on sale in Phoenix... someone should go buy one. Apparently they are in sale at some Cirle K's for $5.99.

Here's the news article about it... I'd probably go to one and buy one just to do it, because I'm a geek like that.
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0510ezd10.html

seretogis · 05-10-2004, 06:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by wondash
It only costs pennies to press a DVD and the initial cost of the new technology has long been covered by profits. The only reason DVD's (and CD's) cost so much it because the industry is gouging the consumer. It's a form of price fixing.

Don't worry -- just like with CDs, in a few years we're all get $12 back from a class-action lawsuit, and the lawyers will run away with hundreds of thousands of dollars.

grayman · 05-10-2004, 08:36 AM

The link to the article is now a 404, but wasn't the main problem with Divx that the way you make money by renting movies is jacking people for late fees. If you don't have late fees, doesn't that eliminate most of your profit?

kutulu · 05-10-2004, 11:45 AM

I'm so sick of irresponsible environmental practices by these fucking corporations. It's such a blatant waste of materials.

docbungle · 05-10-2004, 12:06 PM

My company sells them and the've been selling extremely well. The movies that are selected for sale in this disposable format are movies which have already gone through their initial sales run (Pirates of the Carribbean, Under the Tuscan Sun, etc...). Many people are willing to shell out $5.00 so they don't have to worry about late fees or bringing the movie back at all. Once the package is opened, the films only good for 48 hours. But it can sit on the coffee table for up to two years not building up late fees.

I haven't tried to burn one yet, but I'll give it a shot.

docbungle · 05-10-2004, 12:07 PM

Quote:

I'm so sick of irresponsible environmental practices by these fucking corporations. It's such a blatant waste of materials.

That can be said about almost everything ever made.

kutulu · 05-10-2004, 12:14 PM

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Originally posted by docbungle
That can be said about almost everything ever made.

Not quite. With most products, the waste is unavoidable. The packaging for all things is absolutely necessary. In the case of the disposable DVDs there are replacements available that will not consume resources. You can rent it (you get a longer viewing period and your waste is shared by everyone who purchases it), go netflix (equivalent to renting), or buy it yourself and keep it forever.

People who buy this product should be drawn and quartered for their lack of respect for the environment. This is just as bad as the disposable tupperware.

Fremen · 05-10-2004, 05:55 PM

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Originally posted by kutulu
You can rent it (you get a longer viewing period and your waste is shared by everyone who purchases it), go netflix (equivalent to renting), or buy it yourself and keep it forever.

According to this thread, it seems that cd's and dvd's are developing some kind of rot in between their layers that insures that they won't last forever, as we had at first thought.

http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...threadid=54779

guthmund · 05-11-2004, 10:37 PM

This is the most stupid idea....

We have digressed into a culture so lazy (sorry, convenient...) that we've progressed from going to the video store and getting the movie, to having it mailed to us via netflix or whatever, to being too lazy (I'm sorry, it's convenience...) to return the movie.

I know it's a hassle putting it back in it's stupid little envelope (prepaid, in most cases) and putting it back in your mailbox or, gods forbid, going to Blockbuster in person and returning it, so just throw it in the trash. It's okay, the little DVD fairy picks up all the rotting discs and sends them to Recycle-ville.

I don't see this as having much of a future. I think the on-demand channels is the way of the future concerning DVD. As far as games are concerned, I would think when Internet connections really start picking up speed a way to "download" games right to the console for a limited time would be fantabulous. I mean, if you never want to leave the house that is.

05-20-2003, 05:17 AM	#1 (permalink)
wondash Psycho	Self-Destructing DVDs So we can add these to the other billion AOL cds in our landfills. Disney to rent 'self-destructing' DVDs

05-20-2003, 07:42 AM	#2 (permalink)
GSRIDER spurt king Location: Out of my mind	What a fuckin waste.... as if there isn't enough disposable products out there already __________________ No signature at this time.

05-20-2003, 08:21 AM	#3 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Location: Manhattan, NY	it's an interesting business model from what I can tell. They can sell a destructable movie for US$5 vs. owning it for US$20. I see it's value to some degree, I'm not sure what arrangement Disney Studios has with Blockbuster, but I can see this cannibalizing some of the rental market. __________________ I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not. What's the best nation in the world? DO-NATION!

05-20-2003, 01:05 PM	#7 (permalink)
quest1mark Insane	i say open it, burn it. sell for 10. priceless. __________________ Best told at a place called...the TFP. on a quest...

05-23-2003, 07:55 PM	#10 (permalink)
crewsor Women want me. Men fear me. Location: Maryland,USA	What I don't understand is if they can sell disposables for 5.00, why are permanent ones 20.00. How do they save money by making them self destruct? It would seem that would increase production costs. __________________ We all have wings, some of us just don't know why.

05-20-2003, 08:33 AM	#4 (permalink)
Ganguro Army of Me	I agree very interesting model.. similar somewhat to the DivX scheme back in the mid 90's. Except you can watch these howevermany times you want in 2 days. I'd do it. Rent/Buy a disc for 5-10 bucks, and if i like it burn it, then chuck it. Though admittedly, it is very wasteful.

05-20-2003, 11:30 AM	#5 (permalink)
fuelmyfire Insane	i heard these DVD's are recylcable. is this not true??

05-20-2003, 11:55 AM	#6 (permalink)
denim Banned Location: Massachusetts, USA	All I figure will happen is that people will use them as sources, then burn their own DVDs w/o region coding. This might survive, but I wouldn't invest any money in it.

05-20-2003, 03:35 PM	#8 (permalink)
apetaster Insane Location: P.R. Mass.	I see this as having about as much market viability as those listerine gel strips. I can't say that I think Mr. Eisner is going to be happy with this decision in about 2 years. DIVX looks like sheer brilliance compared to this. Buy cheaper, burn, pirate. I don't see the upside.

05-23-2003, 07:44 PM	#9 (permalink)
Podmore Crazy Location: SoCal	Please, please people don't buy these things. If no one buys them, they'll die out and they'll kill the idea. If they make money, they'll be here to stay.

05-23-2003, 09:40 PM	#11 (permalink)
Mr.Deflok Blood + Fire Location: New Zealand	Awesome, I can buy and rip a DVD and sell it to make shitloads more cash than the distributors! My god, how dumb can you get! I guess it's not as bad as flavourless chicken.

05-24-2003, 12:31 AM	#12 (permalink)
Gortexfogg I and I Location: Stillwater, OK	The sad thing is, for less than five bucks you can just rent these the old way and rip and burn. Disney needs to live in the future and get out of the Disney vault.

05-25-2003, 09:29 PM	#13 (permalink)
3leggedfrog Psycho Location: Hiding from the penguins they come to take my sanity away!	heres a thought, they probley incoded so people can't burn them. __________________ "enjoy life to the brim but do not spill it" quoted off my tatoo "Iam myself every day."

05-26-2003, 12:48 AM	#14 (permalink)
Mr.Deflok Blood + Fire Location: New Zealand	Since when did copy-protection do it's job 100%?

05-28-2003, 04:37 AM	#16 (permalink)
wondash Psycho	It only costs pennies to press a DVD and the initial cost of the new technology has long been covered by profits. The only reason DVD's (and CD's) cost so much it because the industry is gouging the consumer. It's a form of price fixing.

05-28-2003, 02:54 PM	#17 (permalink)
Reese Delicious	Am I the only one that likes this idea? Owning a small video store I think this idea is great if I can get it Wholesale for $1.50 and sell it for $2.50. $5 is way to much for 48 hours though. I can rent it at blockbuster for that and keep it a week. The thing I like most is the first day sales on them. If we buy 4 of a hit movie, the first day all of them are rented in an hour and the whole day we are turning away customers. We could buy a few hundred of these and 1 regular dvd and when we run out of the disposable just rent the regular and we aren't out as much money. __________________ “It is better to be rich and healthy than poor and sick” - Dave Barry

05-30-2003, 06:41 AM	#18 (permalink)
phyzix525 Psycho Location: Broken Arrow, OK	I can see its benifits, but I doubt that Disney is going to let movie rental places have them. Chances are they will set it up where you have to go online to get them cause its so new and "cool" __________________ It's hard to remember we're alive for the first time It's hard to remember we're alive for the last time It's hard to remember to live before you die It's hard to remember that our lives are such a short time It's hard to remember when it takes such a long time

05-10-2004, 08:36 AM	#21 (permalink)
grayman you can't see me Location: Illinois	The link to the article is now a 404, but wasn't the main problem with Divx that the way you make money by renting movies is jacking people for late fees. If you don't have late fees, doesn't that eliminate most of your profit? __________________ That's right - I'm a guy in a suit eating a Blizzard. F U.

05-10-2004, 11:45 AM	#22 (permalink)
kutulu Junkie	I'm so sick of irresponsible environmental practices by these fucking corporations. It's such a blatant waste of materials.

05-10-2004, 12:06 PM	#23 (permalink)
docbungle It's all downhill from here Location: Denver	My company sells them and the've been selling extremely well. The movies that are selected for sale in this disposable format are movies which have already gone through their initial sales run (Pirates of the Carribbean, Under the Tuscan Sun, etc...). Many people are willing to shell out $5.00 so they don't have to worry about late fees or bringing the movie back at all. Once the package is opened, the films only good for 48 hours. But it can sit on the coffee table for up to two years not building up late fees. I haven't tried to burn one yet, but I'll give it a shot. __________________ Bad Luck City

05-11-2004, 10:37 PM	#27 (permalink)
guthmund big damn hero	This is the most stupid idea.... We have digressed into a culture so lazy (sorry, convenient...) that we've progressed from going to the video store and getting the movie, to having it mailed to us via netflix or whatever, to being too lazy (I'm sorry, it's convenience...) to return the movie. I know it's a hassle putting it back in it's stupid little envelope (prepaid, in most cases) and putting it back in your mailbox or, gods forbid, going to Blockbuster in person and returning it, so just throw it in the trash. It's okay, the little DVD fairy picks up all the rotting discs and sends them to Recycle-ville. I don't see this as having much of a future. I think the on-demand channels is the way of the future concerning DVD. As far as games are concerned, I would think when Internet connections really start picking up speed a way to "download" games right to the console for a limited time would be fantabulous. I mean, if you never want to leave the house that is. __________________ No signature. None. Seriously.