Reese

Whenever someone mentions Waterworld or The Postman everyone acts as if they're the worst movies ever.

I think everyone unjustly underrates these movies. Yah, they aren't Shakespeare(heh) but they are much better than everyone gives them credit for.

What do everyone here thing? I don't dare ask this on any other forum. I can see the flames from a mile away.

Averett

I haven't seen either of those movies, but generally I like Kevin Costner movies.

__________________
Absence is to love what wind is to fire. It extinguishes the small, it enkindles the great.

wondash

No Way Out... Great movie!

Conclamo Ludus

3000 Miles to Graceland

Great movi- oh nevermind.

I generally like Costner. I thought Waterworld sucked but I hardly think its one of the worst of all time. Didn't see the Postman. I think he's a better actor when he doesn't produce or direct. He was great in The Untouchables and JFK. He was good in Tin Cup and Field of Dreams.

__________________
Lord, have mercy on my wicked soul
I wouldn't mistreat you baby, for my weight in gold.
-Son House, Death Letter Blues

djtestudo

Chirs Griffin: "I'm more confused then I was at the end of 'No Way Out'"

*cut to Chris leaving theater*

Chris: "How does Kevin Costner keep getting work?"

But seriously, Waterworld and The Postman are mentioned. Both were productions that cost a couple hundred million dollars to make, and each only made what an average movie would make, maybe a little more, so they were essentially huge wastes of time and money.

Costner is a great actor in the right role; see Crash Davis in Bull Durham. However, from what I've heard he has been in some roles that don't quite fit him.

__________________
"Final thought: I just rented Michael Moore's Bowling for Columbine. Frankly, it was the worst sports movie I've ever seen."
--Peter Schmuck, The (Baltimore) Sun

Cynthetiq

i liked him in Untouchables, No Way Out.... after Robin Hood... I kinda got tired of him....and those other ones.. Postman/Waterworld... i never saw postman, but waterworld was a turn IMO

__________________
I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not.

Sparhawk

I liked wyatt earp, robin hood, tin cup, and thirteen days. I can't think of anything else recently that I enjoyed.

__________________
"In Iraq, no doubt about it, it's tough. It's hard work. It's incredibly hard. It's - and it's hard work. I understand how hard it is. I get the casualty reports every day. I see on the TV screens how hard it is. But it's necessary work. We're making progress. It is hard work."

Reese

He's been a baseball player in more movies than anyone else I believe

Yeah, Waterworld and postman were really high budget but both of them made money.

As I said, They weren't the greastest movies but I hear people make fun of them all the time. I've seen far worse movies get far better treatment.

Is it just a Side effect of High expectations?

__________________
“It is better to be rich and healthy than poor and sick” - Dave Barry

Evil Milkman

I loved Kevin Costner in Dances With Wolves. It wasn't necessarily a spectatular film, but I really enjoyed it. In his recent films, though, I don't really like his roles.

maximusveritas

Even though it wasn't all that bad, Waterworld was considered a critical and commercial disaster because of its high price tag. Ever since that movie, Costner's career has gone straight downhill. I don't know if its because he's lost his mind or just that no one will hire him for a good project. Even so, Costner made many great films in the late 80s/early 90s and gets my respect for that.

Averett

His most recent movie "Open Range" was supposed to be very good. I didn't see it though

__________________
Absence is to love what wind is to fire. It extinguishes the small, it enkindles the great.

alkaloid

Hey I actually liked Postman! I don't know why I went to see it, and I did find it cheezy and manipulative, but I still enjoyed it.

feelgood

Robin Hood, Waterworld, Dance with Wolves, Postman was fukin awesome! I don't see anything wrong with Costner...perhaps those people that don't like him got too hasty...

__________________
Looking out the window, that's an act of war. Staring at my shoes, that's an act of war. Committing an act of war? Oh you better believe that's an act of war

BuddyHawks

Open Range was great!

__________________
Watch More TV

Mr.Deflok

ROBIN HOOD was some tight as shit (no pun intended).

Not a fan of his other movies but I really wanna see THIRTEEN DAYS sometime soon.

Baldrick

It's odd really. I can't stand Kevin Costner, but I generally enjoy the movies he's in.

My huge problem with Costner - and it's the same with Tommy Lee Jones for me - is that he has ONE character he can play. Every movie he's in, it's the same facial expressions, the same monotone line delivery, and the same effort being put in. He's a terrible actor who keeps getting high profile work, and that's my big problem with him.

__________________
You can be young only once, but you can be immature for the rest of your life...

Fremen

The only movie of his I wasn't into was Dragonfly.
I'm not saying he's not a flawed actor, but he's one of my favorites of all time.
I loved his role in Silverado. Jake was just a fun character.
Costner looked like he was having a great time in it.
He needs more roles where he can let loose and have some fun with.

__________________
Google

phukraut

I loved 13 days, but i'm not sure if it was because of his role or not. however, i can say for sure that his speech at the end of JFK was absolutely riveting and gave me goosebumps.

Wyodiver33

Well, whatever, but I thought that "Dances With Wolves" was a Great movie. Critics slam Kevin Costner all the time, but please give the guy some credit for making the movies that he wants to make. That's called being an artist. We consumers might not like every offering from the director. That's fine by me. Do you guys really want cookie=cutter movies? Do you want directors to never take chances?

__________________
I like stuff.

BigGov

Because the Postman and Waterworld are crap? If I want to sit down for three hours and watch a good movie, I'll watch the Godfather, Scarface, hell the South Park movie twice.

Many people just think the movies aren't that good.

__________________
One day an Englishman, a Scotsman, and an Irishman walked into a pub together. They each bought a pint of Guinness. Just as they were about to enjoy their creamy beverage, three flies landed in each of their pints. The Englishman pushed his beer away in disgust. The Scotsman fished the fly out of his beer and continued drinking it, as if nothing had happened. The Irishman, too, picked the fly out of his drink but then held it out over the beer and yelled "SPIT IT OUT, SPIT IT OUT, YOU BASTARD!"

SecretMethod70

Costner has made some great movies. I thought Dances With Wolves was fantastic. And, while Waterworld wasn't a great movie, it was entertaining.

Hate the movies, not the people in them. Costner deserves more respect.

__________________
Le temps détruit tout

"Musicians are the carriers and communicators of spirit in the most immediate sense." - Kurt Elling

paddyjoe

In some movies he seems very animated and fun, like "Silverado", and then in other movies, like "The Bodyguard", they could just as easily cast a 2x4 out of somebody's garage. He's just way too inconsistant of an actor.

sadatx

Costner gets alot of flak (not entirely undeserved) because people tend to think that his star power clouds his decisions leading him to make expensive flops like The Postman (sorry, but I thought it was pretty bad).

The people who just don't like him anymore, probably loved him in Bull Durham and think that's the kinda of role he should always play.

I don't think he has the greatest range as an actor. But I also think it's unfair to pigeon-hole him.

hawkeye

It was. It was slow paced for most of the movie, but it was well done, I thought, and the climatic battle at the end absolutely blew me away.

__________________
You're not fat,
You're just a giant ball
of love, covered in anger.

sartan

I generally like most of the movies I've seen with him in it.

KWSN

I tried very hard to watch Waterworld but I simply never could. It was just a bore if you ask me.

I did like him in Open Range, though.

__________________
Your arms are broken!

clifclav

I imagine the expectation he placed on himself and others placed on him after Dances were a bit high. He has made some good movies since then and some that were rather poor IMO. I don't think his acting skills are up there with Spacey, Kingsley, DeNiro but he's not Jim Belushi either.

__________________
Neither rain , nor cold, nor dark of night shall.......ahh whatever, just get me a beer!

frankgrimes

I don't hate him, I liked Silverado, Bull Durham, The Untouchables, but in my opinion, Waterworld was TERRIBLE! Robin Hood was almost as bad. Lately his movies just don't seem to be worth seeing... Good luck to him, I hope he gets another hit, but it doesn't look great for him, hes not aging as gracefully as some actors...

mrbuck12000

water world ....enuf said

__________________
"There's an old saying in Tennessee -- I know it's in Texas, it's probably in Tennessee --that says, fool me once, shame on ... shame on you. Fool me ... You can't get fooled again." - G.W. Bush quoted by the Baltimore Sun - Oct 6, 2002

Astrocloud

I think I hate him for his Robin Hood. I mean come on -his Robin Hood didn't even have an English accent.

teshadoh

I'm sometimes confused with Kevin Costner - he's been in some excellent films, in fact I would say they're modern day classics. But I still hate him. I'll have to bring in Richard Gere to trash as well - because I link them together - they are dishonest one dimensional actors. They always play the same thing, they have never shown any true depth or complications.

I would add Tom Cruise & Kenau Reeves - but I think they are more asses than bad actors. Gere & Costner are simply nice chumps that have made a career of smiling for the camera.

moonstrucksoul

i actually thought that Dennis Hopper was worse in Waterworld, than Costner. Bull Durham rocks!

__________________
no signature required

Outlander36

Dances with Wolves... although long, a very good movie.

Smoky

I think his problem now is he's made a string of long, bloated movies that have wiped out the 'cred' he got for Dances with Wolves. Even Dances (Directors Cut) is insanely long for the subject matter. I agree that he's an artist doing films about what he's interested in, but the problem comes in where nobody else is interested to that degree to want to spend 3 hours on it.

Anyway, loved Bull Durham.

"They're kids, scare 'em"

__________________
It's a long way up when you're six feet under.

monkeydriven

maybe because he's pretentious

__________________
you think i got my eyes closed but i've been lookin' at you the whole f&ckin' time...
------------------------------------------------
Posting from the home of the 2004 World Champion Boston Red Sox

Fire

I tend to agree with the long movies lacking content idea- loved the ideas behind both water world and Postman, but the execution was shit, and both would have been helped by being shorter- and having coherent plots, good acting, etc...

__________________
Thought the harder, Heart the bolder,
Mood the more as our might lessens