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Willravel · 03-20-2009, 07:38 PM

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Caprica is an upcoming television series set in the fictional Battlestar Galactica universe. Set 50 years earlier, Caprica will tell the story of how humanity first created the robotic Cylons, who would later plot to destroy human civilization.

The Twelve Colonies are at peace, 51 years before the reimagined series,when an act of religious terrorism sets the worlds of the Adamas and the Graystones onto a collision course. Brought together by the grief over their lost daughters, prominent civil liberties lawyer Joseph Adama, father of future Battlestar commander William Adama, and Daniel Graystone, a wealthy technologist, find they are both struggling to keep going. Obsessed, Daniel sets his considerable wealth and sprawling industrial corporation to the singular task of bringing the girls back to life. After experiments with startling breakthroughs in robotics and AI take a questionable turn, Joseph becomes a vehement opponent of the path Daniel starts down

Caprica (TV series) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In one month, we're going to get a treat by seeing the prequel to Battlestar in Caprica. Mark your calendars for April 21, when the 2 hour series pilot will be on SciFi (or possibly by then, SyFy).

BTW, McCreary fans will be delighted to know that Bear will be scoring the show.

Sue · 03-20-2009, 08:04 PM

YAY! This will supplement my BSG fix that I've had now that the show is over. Thanks for posting this!

mrklixx · 03-20-2009, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Willravel

In one month, we're going to get a treat by seeing the prequel to Battlestar in Caprica. Mark your calendars for April 21, when the 2 hour series pilot will be on SciFi (or possibly by then, SyFy).

I'm not quite sure this statement is right.

The quote here from scifi says.

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Caprica will premiere on SCI FI Channel in 2010, but the uncut and unrated pilot will be available on DVD (via Universal Home Entertainment) and as a digital download (via Universal Cable Productions) on April 21.

So it looks like if you want to see it before 2010 you have to pay for it, or obtain it by less than legal means.

Willravel · 03-20-2009, 09:23 PM

Oh. I guess Caprica will fall victim to the same slow pace of release as Battlestar.

SecretMethod70 · 03-21-2009, 12:10 AM

Would you expect anything else from Sci-Fi...I mean, SyFy? (What a fucking joke.)

Leto · 03-21-2009, 03:35 AM

just 51 years prior? I got the feel from the Battlestar series that the drama was unfolding over a much larger period of time.

Willravel · 03-21-2009, 08:42 AM

I'm sure we could get at least 9 or 10 different series from the Battlestar universe. We could get a pre-Kobal, a Kobal leading up to the war, the Kobal war, the Kobal exodus, the founding of the colonies, the founding of Earth by the previous skin-jobs, the destruction of Earth, Caprica, Battlestar Galactica, and then Earth 2.

Still, I think that Caprica is a good direction to go after Battlestar.

Lucifer · 03-21-2009, 12:09 PM

it seemed to me that with the release of the Caprica pilot straight to DVD, the studio execs decided not to pursue a series.

SecretMethod70 · 03-21-2009, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Willravel

I'm sure we could get at least 9 or 10 different series from the Battlestar universe. We could get a pre-Kobal, a Kobal leading up to the war, the Kobal war, the Kobal exodus, the founding of the colonies, the founding of Earth by the previous skin-jobs, the destruction of Earth, Caprica, Battlestar Galactica, and then Earth 2.

Still, I think that Caprica is a good direction to go after Battlestar.

And then it would become a joke like Stargate. No thanks.

Willravel · 03-21-2009, 12:55 PM

Stargate only had a few good episodes. Battlestar only had a few bad episodes. I don't think they can be equated.

guy44 · 03-21-2009, 01:01 PM

As excited as I am about Caprica, its supposed to be half-BSG backstory-filling-in and half soapy battle between two prominent families, like Dynasty set in space and about the creation of artificial intelligent life or something. On the other hand, this is by the BSG people and it's being run by Jane Espenson, who is nothing if not an amazing writer. I love that serious fans are getting the miniseries-like premier well before the show debuts - an actual good decision from the most ridiculously named network on TV.

SecretMethod70 · 03-21-2009, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Willravel

Stargate only had a few good episodes. Battlestar only had a few bad episodes. I don't think they can be equated.

I agree 100%. That's why I wouldn't want it to have 50 spinoffs like Stargate

JumpinJesus · 03-21-2009, 02:27 PM

You think they'll get a young Lorne Greene to play a young Adama?

SecretMethod70 · 03-21-2009, 07:25 PM

Heh, no, Caprica is based on the re-imagined Battlestar Galactica, so Joseph Adama is being played by Hispanic actor Esai Morales.

JumpinJesus · 03-21-2009, 07:37 PM

But this will take place 51 years ago, right? Was Esai Morales alive back then? I know Lorne Greene was, so getting his younger self to play Adama would be easier, wouldn't it?

ratbastid · 03-22-2009, 05:14 AM

JJ: I admire your suspension of disbelief.

I was concerned they were going to try to put this new series right in the run-up to the fall of the Colonies, which might be interesting for a bit, but wouldn't have a lot of suspense. Placing it a generation back is a very interesting choice, and opens a lot of things up.

Willravel · 03-22-2009, 09:15 AM

Remember, Adama was born 64 years before the fall of the colonies. Which would make him about 13 when Caprica begins. This also means the beginning of the cylon war is a short year off. the War doesn't end until 11 years later.

Could Caprica become a war-time drama? Or will it only last a season? Or will RDM change the timeline?

Willravel · 04-13-2009, 06:22 PM

Oh my god, it's really incredible.

I got a chance to see an "advanced screening" of Caprica, and it's outstanding, easily on par with the BSG miniseries. I don't want to spoil anything, but Caprica could be the next Battlestar in a real way, in a dramatic and true science fiction way.

BTW, Esai Morales was born to play a Tauron.

lostgirl · 04-13-2009, 06:43 PM

I am looking forward to this. Thanks for the update.

guy44 · 04-14-2009, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Willravel

Oh my god, it's really incredible.

I got a chance to see an "advanced screening" of Caprica, and it's outstanding, easily on par with the BSG miniseries. I don't want to spoil anything, but Caprica could be the next Battlestar in a real way, in a dramatic and true science fiction way.

BTW, Esai Morales was born to play a Tauron.

Wow! How on, er, Caprica, did you manage that?

(OK, even I hate myself for making that joke.)

Willravel · 04-14-2009, 09:21 PM

Bit torrent. Muhahahah!!! Don't worry, I'll be legally buying a copy as soon as it's available. I have the miniseries through season 4.0 of BSG on DVD and all the soundtracks. They're just too damned slow.

guy44 · 04-16-2009, 10:15 PM

OK, I just saw it too, and holy crap. I was dubious about this show initially, but my fears have been allayed in a big, big way. I mean, yes, you can have a great pilot and a terrible show (Studio 60...), but I doubt this is the case here. Lots and lots of spoilers ahead, do not read until you see the pilot.

Spoiler: First of all, the story was top notch. There's intrigue, corporate espionage, racism, civil wars; hell, even the mafia. On top of all that, the ep did a fantastic job of introducing the major characters. Stoltz immediately makes it clear that his character has far more brains than ethics or backbone or willpower, and after he discovers the digital version of his daughter, it becomes very easy to see how he could kind of lose his mind in grief and play god. His wife, daughter, and her friends are also fleshed out well enough that I can see them becoming more important characters in their own right.

Morales, though...yeah, he really was born to play a Tauron. He's perfect as the early-years Michael Corleone, torn between his mafia family and his deep moral foundation. I love how he is obviously the voice of reason regarding the "resurrection" of the two girls, and clearly a loving and dedicated father, but also so deeply corrupted. And I'm sure I'm not the only one to think of BSG's Bill Adama when Morales tells Caprica's version how when the your family is dead, they aren't coming back, and that now all you can do is live the best you can.

Really though, what I truly loved about Caprica was the sheer fuckeduppedness of the digital versions of Tamra and Zoe. It was easy, for a while, to kind of become okay with the concept along with Stoltz as he interacted with his fake daughter, but the scene with digital Tamra was incredibly disturbing. I can't even imagine losing a daughter, and then having the experience Adama goes through when he meets her deeply disturbed digital copy. It must be torture. This is science fiction at its best - and I even love how Graystone uses the same rationalizations for AI and its attendant ethical dilemmas that people utilize now (applying the Turing test and whatnot).

And somehow, the last thing I want to talk about from Caprica was how the Cylons were created!

A couple of random observations:

Hitmen from Tauron are waaaaaay cooler than hitmen on Earth.

Damn, that is a lot of nudity. Creepy fake digital daughter composed of doctor's records and Facebook accounts, I got no problem with. But I did NOT see that much nakedness coming...not that I'm complaining.

How fun was it to see C.G.B. Spender as the defense minister? I can't believe they didn't let his first scene end with him lighting up a smoke.

Every time I see little Bill Adama, all I can think is that puberty is really going to hit that face of his something awful in about 3 years.

Twice, they showed the outside of what is presumably the Graystone building in which the first Cylon is created. Both times, they show two rotating objects that appear to be futuristic windmills. These windmills are exactly the same windmills from one of the early establishing shots in Serenity. Serenity's CG was done by Zoic studios, which also did the CG work for BSG, and presumably for Caprica as well. So either Zoic got lazy, or they gave a little shout-out to my other favorite science fiction property. Yes, I am that much of a Whedon geek that I noticed this, and yes, I think it will be cool if I'm the first person to post this online. But someone else probably already has.

Anyway, I'm beyond excited. Here's keeping my fingers crossed that next fall my TV sci-fi fix is going to met every Friday by Dollhouse and Caprica.

03-20-2009, 08:04 PM	#2 (permalink)
Sue Teufel Hunden's Freundin Location: Westminster, CO	YAY! This will supplement my BSG fix that I've had now that the show is over. Thanks for posting this! __________________ Teg yw edrych tuag adref.

03-21-2009, 12:10 AM	#5 (permalink)
SecretMethod70 Human Administrator Location: Chicago	Would you expect anything else from Sci-Fi...I mean, SyFy? (What a fucking joke.) __________________ Le temps détruit tout "Musicians are the carriers and communicators of spirit in the most immediate sense." - Kurt Elling

03-21-2009, 03:35 AM	#6 (permalink)
Leto Junkie Location: The Danforth	just 51 years prior? I got the feel from the Battlestar series that the drama was unfolding over a much larger period of time. __________________ You said you didn't give a fuck about hockey And I never saw someone say that before You held my hand and we walked home the long way You were loosening my grip on Bobby Orr http://dune.wikia.com/wiki/Leto_Atreides_I

03-21-2009, 12:09 PM	#8 (permalink)
Lucifer Husband of Seamaiden Location: Nova Scotia	it seemed to me that with the release of the Caprica pilot straight to DVD, the studio execs decided not to pursue a series. __________________ I am a brother to dragons, and a companion to owls. - Job 30:29 1123, 6536, 5321

03-21-2009, 01:01 PM	#11 (permalink)
guy44 Somnabulist Location: corner of No and Where	As excited as I am about Caprica, its supposed to be half-BSG backstory-filling-in and half soapy battle between two prominent families, like Dynasty set in space and about the creation of artificial intelligent life or something. On the other hand, this is by the BSG people and it's being run by Jane Espenson, who is nothing if not an amazing writer. I love that serious fans are getting the miniseries-like premier well before the show debuts - an actual good decision from the most ridiculously named network on TV. __________________ "You have reached Ritual Sacrifice. For goats press one, or say 'goats.'"

03-20-2009, 09:23 PM	#4 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	Oh. I guess Caprica will fall victim to the same slow pace of release as Battlestar.

03-21-2009, 08:42 AM	#7 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	I'm sure we could get at least 9 or 10 different series from the Battlestar universe. We could get a pre-Kobal, a Kobal leading up to the war, the Kobal war, the Kobal exodus, the founding of the colonies, the founding of Earth by the previous skin-jobs, the destruction of Earth, Caprica, Battlestar Galactica, and then Earth 2. Still, I think that Caprica is a good direction to go after Battlestar.

03-21-2009, 12:55 PM	#10 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	Stargate only had a few good episodes. Battlestar only had a few bad episodes. I don't think they can be equated.

03-21-2009, 02:27 PM	#13 (permalink)
JumpinJesus Junkie Location: Chicago	You think they'll get a young Lorne Greene to play a young Adama? __________________ "I can normally tell how intelligent a man is by how stupid he thinks I am" - Cormac McCarthy, All The Pretty Horses

03-21-2009, 07:25 PM	#14 (permalink)
SecretMethod70 Human Administrator Location: Chicago	Heh, no, Caprica is based on the re-imagined Battlestar Galactica, so Joseph Adama is being played by Hispanic actor Esai Morales. __________________ Le temps détruit tout "Musicians are the carriers and communicators of spirit in the most immediate sense." - Kurt Elling

03-21-2009, 07:37 PM	#15 (permalink)
JumpinJesus Junkie Location: Chicago	But this will take place 51 years ago, right? Was Esai Morales alive back then? I know Lorne Greene was, so getting his younger self to play Adama would be easier, wouldn't it? __________________ "I can normally tell how intelligent a man is by how stupid he thinks I am" - Cormac McCarthy, All The Pretty Horses

03-22-2009, 05:14 AM	#16 (permalink)
ratbastid Darth Papa Location: Yonder	JJ: I admire your suspension of disbelief. I was concerned they were going to try to put this new series right in the run-up to the fall of the Colonies, which might be interesting for a bit, but wouldn't have a lot of suspense. Placing it a generation back is a very interesting choice, and opens a lot of things up.

03-22-2009, 09:15 AM	#17 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	Remember, Adama was born 64 years before the fall of the colonies. Which would make him about 13 when Caprica begins. This also means the beginning of the cylon war is a short year off. the War doesn't end until 11 years later. Could Caprica become a war-time drama? Or will it only last a season? Or will RDM change the timeline?

04-13-2009, 06:22 PM	#18 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	Oh my god, it's really incredible. I got a chance to see an "advanced screening" of Caprica, and it's outstanding, easily on par with the BSG miniseries. I don't want to spoil anything, but Caprica could be the next Battlestar in a real way, in a dramatic and true science fiction way. BTW, Esai Morales was born to play a Tauron.

04-13-2009, 06:43 PM	#19 (permalink)
lostgirl lightform Location: Edge of the deep green sea	I am looking forward to this. Thanks for the update. __________________ We're about to go through the crucible, but we'll come out the other side. We always arise from our own ashes. Everything returns later in its changed form. - Children of Dune

04-14-2009, 09:21 PM	#21 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	Bit torrent. Muhahahah!!! Don't worry, I'll be legally buying a copy as soon as it's available. I have the miniseries through season 4.0 of BSG on DVD and all the soundtracks. They're just too damned slow.

04-16-2009, 10:15 PM	#22 (permalink)
guy44 Somnabulist Location: corner of No and Where	OK, I just saw it too, and holy crap. I was dubious about this show initially, but my fears have been allayed in a big, big way. I mean, yes, you can have a great pilot and a terrible show (Studio 60...), but I doubt this is the case here. Lots and lots of spoilers ahead, do not read until you see the pilot. Spoiler: First of all, the story was top notch. There's intrigue, corporate espionage, racism, civil wars; hell, even the mafia. On top of all that, the ep did a fantastic job of introducing the major characters. Stoltz immediately makes it clear that his character has far more brains than ethics or backbone or willpower, and after he discovers the digital version of his daughter, it becomes very easy to see how he could kind of lose his mind in grief and play god. His wife, daughter, and her friends are also fleshed out well enough that I can see them becoming more important characters in their own right. Morales, though...yeah, he really was born to play a Tauron. He's perfect as the early-years Michael Corleone, torn between his mafia family and his deep moral foundation. I love how he is obviously the voice of reason regarding the "resurrection" of the two girls, and clearly a loving and dedicated father, but also so deeply corrupted. And I'm sure I'm not the only one to think of BSG's Bill Adama when Morales tells Caprica's version how when the your family is dead, they aren't coming back, and that now all you can do is live the best you can. Really though, what I truly loved about Caprica was the sheer fuckeduppedness of the digital versions of Tamra and Zoe. It was easy, for a while, to kind of become okay with the concept along with Stoltz as he interacted with his fake daughter, but the scene with digital Tamra was incredibly disturbing. I can't even imagine losing a daughter, and then having the experience Adama goes through when he meets her deeply disturbed digital copy. It must be torture. This is science fiction at its best - and I even love how Graystone uses the same rationalizations for AI and its attendant ethical dilemmas that people utilize now (applying the Turing test and whatnot). And somehow, the last thing I want to talk about from Caprica was how the Cylons were created! A couple of random observations: Hitmen from Tauron are waaaaaay cooler than hitmen on Earth. Damn, that is a lot of nudity. Creepy fake digital daughter composed of doctor's records and Facebook accounts, I got no problem with. But I did NOT see that much nakedness coming...not that I'm complaining. How fun was it to see C.G.B. Spender as the defense minister? I can't believe they didn't let his first scene end with him lighting up a smoke. Every time I see little Bill Adama, all I can think is that puberty is really going to hit that face of his something awful in about 3 years. Twice, they showed the outside of what is presumably the Graystone building in which the first Cylon is created. Both times, they show two rotating objects that appear to be futuristic windmills. These windmills are exactly the same windmills from one of the early establishing shots in Serenity. Serenity's CG was done by Zoic studios, which also did the CG work for BSG, and presumably for Caprica as well. So either Zoic got lazy, or they gave a little shout-out to my other favorite science fiction property. Yes, I am that much of a Whedon geek that I noticed this, and yes, I think it will be cool if I'm the first person to post this online. But someone else probably already has. Anyway, I'm beyond excited. Here's keeping my fingers crossed that next fall my TV sci-fi fix is going to met every Friday by Dollhouse and Caprica. __________________ "You have reached Ritual Sacrifice. For goats press one, or say 'goats.'" Last edited by guy44; 04-16-2009 at 10:19 PM..