ShaniFaye

trailer for Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was released yesterday.

Im sure you can see it lots of places, but with the way my work firewall is, this is the only link I can use

http://www.indianajones.com/site/index.html

I know yahoo has it

http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/indi...ml?showVideo=1


I am so so soooooooooooooooo excited for this. I was disappointed Connery isnt in it, but I have high hopes that Harrison will be great as always

Release date May 22, 2008

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Hain

Pretty stoked about this one. Spoiler: I am concerned about the storyline though. The original Indiana Jones movies were based off of mystical and supernatural artifacts, while this based off of some crystal skulls that are supposedly made by aliens or something. Regardless, I am still stoked.

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But snakes? I hate snakes.

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fresnelly

Anytime a studio tries to resurrect or redo a franchise from my youth, I try to keep my expectations in check. I'm looking forward to this but I'm not a wide eyed child anymore and can't suspend my disbelief or cynicism as easily.

The Star Wars prequels taught me this.

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Bear Cub

I'm pumped. I watched some of the filming when they were doing it around the Yale campus. Was neat just walking around seeing all of the extras, the storefronts done up like the old Woolworths, even a fake phone booth. Worth seeing just for the nostalgia factor.

PonyPotato

I'm so taking my trowel and a bullwhip with me when I see this movie.

HELL YES!


I must admit, though.. I don't like Shia LaBeouf at ALL. Hopefully he doesn't ruin this for me.

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blahblah454

I was so excited for this, been pumped for years. I almost peed my pants when I saw this thread.

Then I made the mistake of watching the trailer. I think this looks terrible! Everything is loaded with CG. Bad CG. And what is with a 60 year old man flying through the air on his whip? He didn't even do that in the old movies when he was in his prime.

Fuck you Spielberg

Maveric

and No, Shia plays his sidekick, not his son.












in the warehouse where the Arc was stored in Raiders...














you can see a thumbnail of the actual crystal (alien) skull here... the studios made them remove the actual pic...

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...US242%26sa%3DN

mummified alien?




Interestingly enough the US trailer is different from the international. The US flag is CGI'd into the US trailer and they moved and removed some guns in the us trailer. Pretty stupid and spooky

Charlatan

I love Indiana Jones... I have seen the first film way too many times for my own good. In fact, when it first came out, my mom and I sat through it twice. God 1981 was a long time ago... I was 13, my son's age... fuck I'm getting old.

But I digress.

I can't wait for this film. I know it's likely to suck but I have always thought Harrison Ford was the coolest. And in this character, he was always at his coolest.

I know I am up for disappointment but I will live.

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ShaniFaye

I was 13 too when the first one came out....I remember seeing it like it was yesterday....Im sincerely hoping they didnt screw this up as badly as they did the last 3 star wars.

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allaboutmusic

Harrison Ford is in good shape for 65. I really hope this is good.

Martian

That trailer has me totally pumped. Indy's still got the wise-cracks, the hits, the "I'll think of something" moments.

On the other hand, the only other Lucas property that was revived.. well. Let's just hope he doesn't stuff this one up. Maybe Spielberg will be able to make good.

On a tangential note, seeing Indy with grey hair makes me sad for my youth. Turns out you can't go back.

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Eweser

I'm so excited about this movie. I loved the first three (although "Temple of Doom" was my least favorite) and I hope this one matches them on adventure....and Harrison Ford....He's one of those type of men that just gets sexier as he gets older. I like that they brought back Karen Allen. She's so spunky (is that word still used?) I've read that Spielberg didn't agree with Lucas to do all of the CG stuff like with the new "Star Wars". I hope that's true. I wish movies would get back to the good ol' days of acting over special effects.

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Redjake

Too much CG for my liking. The CG just doesn't blend with this trilogy. I hope they polish some of those effects before release.

Still excited though!

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Charlatan

The real charm of Raiders was the physical stunts and special effects. If you watch closely (and I did) you can see the errors they made but the "magic" of film and continuity editing keeps most from noticing.

Today, they would "fix" these issues with CGI.

And I am not even talking about the absolute joy of the physical nature of the stunts. Hopefully, Spielberg can, as Martian suggests, keep the worst of Lucas at bay.

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Martian

Something tells me Harrison isn't doing his own stunts anymore.

FUN FACT: Rumour has it that one of the most iconic scenes in Raiders of the Lost Ark came about because Harrison Ford had the trots. The original script for the Egypt chase sequence involved Indiana having a protracted swordfight with the man in black. Mr. Ford, who was feeling a bit under the weather at the time, suggested that Indy just shoot him instead.

EDIT - It should also be noted that Spielberg also has a history of buggering up old films. I wonder if Indy will trade his sixgun for a walkie-talkie?

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blahblah454

That truly is one of the best scenes ever!

And perhaps Indie will also have his sidekick whip up a laser beam on his whip half way through the film, and add a rocket booster to his car! That would allow younger viewers to really enjoy the film, and give Mr. Lucas plenty of time to add all the special effects he wants! Its a win-win situation when you think about it...

Val_1

Desperately waiting for this. Though I am avoiding watching the trailer or looking at too many screen caps. I do not want to build up my excitement then get a Phantom Menace when it's released.

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Hain

I have yet to see it, but now that the Communists are having a tissy-fit over it, I have to see it.

Please read that again: "...it is very disturbing if talented directors want to provoke a new Cold War."


I live in Germany and I don't hear any Germans boycotting the first three Indiana Jones.

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Baraka_Guru

Nazis don't tend to have good public relations. Interesting story, though.

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RetroGunslinger

Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull raped me.

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Willravel

Ditto. Way better than I was expecting.

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Baraka_Guru

This is encouraging. Thanks, guys.

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Grasshopper Green

We saw the movie this afternoon and it was a fun popcorn flick. I wasn't going in with high expectations so I didn't have much room for letdown. And I don't care if Harrison Ford is 65...he's still looks fantastic and had that same Indy spark.

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Nikilidstrom

I thought it was pretty good. They seemed to work very hard at making sure the style of this movie was consistent with the other 3, and I appreciate that. The only thing this movies has going against it is that its not the other 3. By itself, its the best adventure movie I've seen in awhile.

Redjake

One of the worst movies I've seen in a long time.

1. Why did they make 90% of the action scenes CGI? Is it really that hard to actually film REAL action scenes nowadays? They shot nearly all of the action scenes on green screen, and it shows. The jungle scene looked like a fucking videogame. Terrible. The movie felt like Star Wars prequel #4 because of the fake environments. I think even part of the damn warehouse was CGI - how much does it cost to make a real fucking warehouse, guys. DAMN. Even the monkeys and prairie dogs and shit were CG. There are some movies that you just don't use green screen and CG should be blocked - Indiana Jones is one of them.

2. Spoiler: Aliens? ALIENS????????? What the fuck? They crossed the line of "slight suspension of disbelief required" to "mystery science theater 3000" status. Ugh. And then at the end, despite seeing aliens and a spaceship and all sorts of fucked up shit, they were like "ok." And they just went back to normal life. ????? It just didn't fit the series.

3. Some small stuff: tarzan through the jungle, the stupid fake CG hater ants that looked good in some scenes, and then "dabble in photoshop" status in other scenes, not enough whip pwnage, the fact that they airbrushed Marion in all of the trailers, movie posters, and digital stills - and then in the movie she looked like a grandma;

4. REFRIDGERATOR: how is that fucking possible?? So, a nuclear warhead detonates a mile away from you, it completely decimates the entire test site, destroys a car that is like 2 miles away, but it picks up the refridgerator and deposits it thousands of feet away, and Indy is ok when he rolls out? Shouldn't he have been microwaved, or turned into hamburger from being thrown a mile in the air inside a metal box? Nope. That was just impossible and cringe worthy. Again, Indy films do require a certain suspension of disbelief, but that just defied physics and even fiction movie believability. We're not 7 year olds.

The things I liked: the acting, Harrison Ford still being fucking awesome, the small amount of action scenes that were real

6/10

Worst of the series, but good enough to show that it could have been GREAT if they would have used real sets and had a more believable story line

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m0rpheus

Come on Redjake. It was FUCKING FUN.
Thats what I got out of it. A good rush like the old days. Is it Raiders or Lost Ark all over again? Um no. But then again it really couldn't expect to be. It's sure as hell better than Temple of Doom though.
As far as this goes...

Spoiler: Since Raiders asks you to believe that God exists and the Ark can MELT YOU LIKE A CANDLE. How is saying aliens exist that much more of a stretch? Actually aliens creating objects of unearthly power is less of a stretch.
Remember he went back to normal life after seeing the ark melt faces, the grail restore youth, and a guys heart get ripped out and keep beating while he is lowered to his death. Indy and pals adjust well I guess.

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Redjake

It wasn't fun. The fact it wasn't Raiders or Lost Ark all over again made it not fucking fun. It was videogame-graphics trash that has embarassed the series.

For a series as good as Indiana Jones, we should expect better - we shouldn't be expected to lower our standards just because it's a 4th movie and 18 years later.

Simple fixes could have made this movie great - 1. Real sets with real action sequences - use CGI to cover up wires and replace backgrounds, but not entire sets 2. Use something more dungeon-crawler oriented for the main plot - such as finding religious artifacts or temples or something - just not aliens. Aliens. ugh. This was X-Files 2.

And what was with the HDR? The entire movie was like a dream sequence with the HDR effects overload. I don't remember the last movies looking like that. They were shot with real cameras on real sets and it looked awesome!

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Willravel

Maybe you missed like every other Spielberg film ever made, because Spoiler: extraterrestrial aliens are a common theme. Close Encounters, E.T., AI (arguably), War of the Worlds... and let's not even discuss George Lucas. Not only that, but as morph said, we've watched god melt faces, and we've seen shaman remove hearts by speaking incantations. Indiana Jones is a Saturday night serial which happens to be on the big screen. It's about adventure, mystery, and magic. It's middle name is "suspension of disbelief". I can't understand holding it to some measurement of reality. It's like saying Star Wars (A New Hope) was bullshit because you can't go faster than the speed of light.

Hain

Spoiler: Unarguably, this God character has been around scaring people a lot longer than ET, at least when one looks at the main stream media. Let's not go all historic and say, "This tribe worshiped these Sky Gods, this," and "The Egyptians made perfect star charts, that." That way, people are more accepting of the Ark melting people like candles.

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ShaniFaye

Loved it loved it loved it. It def wasnt the first one but it was better than Temple of Doom. I think my favorite part had to be Spoiler: when they were in the warehouse and the jeep crashes into all the boxes and they showed the box with the Ark smash open....that was cool

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Redjake

I have no problems with aliens, and I'm well aware that it's a common theme with Spielburg. However, I do have a problem with the fact it didn't fit in with the series at all. It was awkward, cheesy, hokey, whatever you want to call it. Just didn't work. I expected some egyption sun god shit, or maybe some tribal stuff, but the alien crap didn't work. It seemed fake, just as fake as the crystal skull which the actors held as if it were 2 lbs of plastic (in which it was).

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Willravel

Well when you think about it, it's surprisingly similar to the previous stories. Indiana Jones follows an ancient set of rumors and myths to adventure, and along the way he finds that it's actually rooted in fact.

The ark was supposed to be hokey superstition, but it turns out to be real, moreover providing evidence that God (at least the Judeo-Christian God) is real and takes an active role in the world.

In Temple of Doom, Jones is simply trying to help a village by retrieving the Sankara Stone, which is being held by a cult. What is presented as ignorant villagers who are being victimized by a cruel and ignorant cult turns out to be real, and have magical properties which were instilled by the Hindu god Shiva.

You can transfer over the same from Ark for Last Crusade.

I can't understand why religion and science have to be framed differently in the Indiana Jones universe. Why can't they coexist in the fictional world presented?

Hain

Aliens and mythology are just two different types of popcorn fun. They can't be mixed together well, unless you are Roland Emmerich directing Stargate.

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Redjake

They can - but it was presented awkwardly. The entire movie boiled down to melon-head aliens with a flying saucer - it just didn't fit well, in my opinion. This of course is only my opinion - others may feel it fit just fine. But I know I'm not the only one that feels this way - many in the theater, including my wife, were just like WTF???? at the end. Aliens would have been fine, if they were presented in an Indiana-esque manner. I'm not sure exactly how to define what an "Indiana-esque manner" is, but it certainly isn't melon-head aliens with flying saucers.

However, truth be told, the main reason I didn't like the movie was because of the misuse of CGI, instead of the alien deal!

Hain said it better than I did. This is what I was trying to say. Thanks man!

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Frosstbyte

I pretty much agree with Redjake on all counts here. It had a lot of promise, and seeing Harrison be Indy again was all kinds of fun, but the movie just didn't pay off. i think it was probably around Temple of Doom-level, maybe a bit better, maybe a bit worse.

The alien aspect just didn't fit the series, and the total rip off of the X-Files Movie at the end didn't help, though, I concede that could've been a rip of something else. Really, I spent most of the plot sections of the movie feeling like I was watching an X-Files episode, which is silly.

I saw flashes of greatness, but overall it didn't come close to what it could have been.

Halx

This movie SUCKED!

Dumb lines.
Dumb action scenes.
Abuse of CG.
Ridiculous ending.
Bad.

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RetroGunslinger

I second the motion.

The motorcycle chase kicked ass, though.

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