Jove

Sawyer and Sayid should torture Juliette for a while just to drive Jack over the edge.

Tamerlain

Exactly. I don't want to compare her to Michael, but it's the closest example we've already seen. Michael wasn't inherently "evil," he just wanted his son back. Juliette will certainly look evil once the Lost find out she's playing both sides, but she just wants to go home like the rest of them.

Plus the flashbacks show she's not evil. The differences between Juliette in the past and Juliette now are like night and day - there's got to be some good left in her. I think she'll do something redeeming, or I hope so. Would be much more interesting that way than if she sticks with the double-agent ploy.

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Painted

Am I the only who thought that episode revealed a huge segment of what the Others are doing on the island?

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Moskie

Great episode... yea, the jury is still out on Juliette. Not on Ben, though... he's just an evil prick. This episode sunk it in for us.

Well, when we saw Ben, Juliette, and the guy with the eyepatch in that small house, Ben asked eyepatch dude to get information on all the people on the plane that just crashed. Presumably, they used their crafty non-descript abilities and resources to get all the people's backgrounds. If you're looking for a more specific explanation... i don't think you'll be getting one. That would ruin the mystery!

Hell yea they did. So I'm not an expert as to what's been revealed so far, but when Juliette said something along the lines of how the bodies of pregnant women on the island start to treat their babies like "foreign invaders," I took that as a some keen insight. So, maybe this island makes people have some super-immune system or healing abilities, to the extent than women's bodies even consider children in the womb to be viruses? And that's why they brought Juliette in... to get rid of that side-effect of the island?

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Jove

I find it strange how in season 1, the others were extremely stealthy, mysterious and powerful (physically, like how Ethan almost killed Charlie to get to Claire, and gave Jack a beat down on several occasions), but now in season 3, they seem to be just like everyone else, living on the island and trying to get answers to certain problems, like why pregnant women would not survive the entire pregnancy.

guthmund

What I found strange is that no one is listening to Sawyer and Sayid.

Everyone knows what they used to be, right? If you had to judge someone's character wouldn't you want the input from an interrogator and a con-man? Seems they'd be super at summing folks up fairly fast. Probably better than a doctor that's been fooled by just about everyone on the island and some of folks off the island, for that matter.

I don't recall, but did they even say what they were doing the were experimenting on pregnant women in the first place? I remember the guy with Juliette's orange juice just gushed over what she had done to her sister, but I don't remember if he mentioned what they were working on in the first place.

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ratbastid

Yeah, they pointedly DIDN'T mention that in this episode, did you notice?

Two or three times in this episode it was, "Oh yeah, la di da, and Ethan kidnapped Claire!!!"

Um... Yes. And strung Charlie up from a tree. Anybody remember that?

The whole Ethan-kidnapping story arc happened because LOST was facing early-midseason cancellation, and wanted to be able to wrap the whole thing up in a dozen-twenty episodes. They laid themselves some narrative traps right there, some of which they've unwound brilliantly, and others they're just... ignoring.

pmb145

I disagree that they seem like everyone else... Juliet seemed almost Chuck Norris like when Kate attacked her with a pool stick. She probably went through quite a bit of training and Ethan probably did too. I'm assuming we'll see how she seperated her shoulder 3 times.

Grasshopper Green

Didn't Rousseau give birth on the island?

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ratbastid

Oh! Schnapp!

Tamerlain

We know now that Claire wasn't sick from her pregnancy though, she was sick from the implant the Others put in her (remember when Ben said they activated the implant in the flashback at the end of the episode).

So then the island's healing properties causing the immune system to turn on pregnant women must only apply to those who get pregnant on the island. But then that doesn't explain why they kidnapped Claire if she didn't actually need the vaccine. Which in turn doesn't explain why they were injecting her initially, since Rousseau gave birth on the island without suffering consequences.

And now (I've arrived somewhere with my rambling) can we assume that the Others know nothing happens to women who get pregnant off the island, since they know Rousseau isn't dead (or do they)? If they know she isn't dead, then they know that they don't need to protect Claire from anything. Maybe that's why Juliette said that Sayid would kill her if he knew what she had done. Maybe they were just using Claire as a dummy...

Now I'm more confused.

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fresnelly

They were using Claire as a "Control" subject.

Imagine a pharmecutical company testing the effectiveness of a new pain reliever. They have 100 test subjects total and they give 50 of them the new pill. The other 50 are the Control subjects and they get a placebo. Then the company can confirm that any improvent in the actual subjects not shown in the control group is due to the new pill and not due to other factors.

Regarding Rousseau, either she conceived Alex before coming to the island, or she has the same "understanding" with the Island that Locke does. It's certainly an easy way out for the writers if necessary.

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Grasshopper Green

Interesting ideas. I wonder what this holds in store for Sun, then.

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Lokus

Well, it's not hard to dislocate your shoulder. I did it playing ultimate frisbee and after the first time, it becomes much much easier to dislocate. Even doing a stretch in a certain direction can dislocate it. Heh, this is Lost so I'm sure she got some combat training and Ben dislocated her shoulder while fighting in a gladiator match or something.

As for the episode, I completely thought that Juliette was legit beforehand. It must mean that there's another way off the island, maybe the sub wasn't really destroyed? We see an explosion, not the sub exploding and the part in the episode where Jack said "You want to get off the island, that makes you one of us", I immediately thought that Locke wants to stay on the island. So does that mean Locke is one of them? Bernard and Rose also want to stay on the island but they disappeared so they don't count.

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filtherton

I'm curious about the whole, "Can't get off the island thing." I thought after juliet's trial all the others, plus jack, went off to a ship. If you look in episode 9, at roughly 40 minutes right after the sheriff lady tells jack what his tattoo means it shows a shot of a ship, not a submarine, off the island. What's up with that?


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You'd think they wouldn't need the submarine if they had this thing.

ratbastid

Ooh! Schnapp!!

All this pregnancy! It hadn't even crossed my mind to think about Rousseau and Sun!

(And the Others know that Rousseau's alive. Ben went and got caught by her deliberately so she'd lead him to the Losties.)

LoganSnake

Sun's fate will be revealed in her next flashback where we'll find out whether she conceived on the island with Jin or off the island with the bald guy.

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Rekna

Yeah a Sun episode is coming up soon. Next week maybe?

I heard one of the upcoming episodes is going to feature DHARMA as the flashback!

LoganSnake

This week is Desmond, the week after is Jin and Sun, than Jack, The DeGroots, Charlie, and than Ben.

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pmb145

I've been having a problem with reading spoilers and then reading the insider scoop of someone who has seen it the day of. I need to cut that out and watch the show without all that. It's just sooo hard. Anyone else have this problem?

LoganSnake

Yeah, but after a couple of times early on in the 3rd season, I stopped. Love the show too much to let me be the one who spoils it for myself.

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ubertuber

I'm always about a day behind. I watch on iTunes as I don't own a TV. I just stay out of the threads until I'm current.

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Tamerlain

I'm a day behind as well. I download the episodes a few hours after they've aired so I can watch them between classes on Thursdays.

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LoganSnake

I don't watch the show on TV either. I download it the day after and watch it commercial free.

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fresnelly

Okay, so did anyone recognize the Helicopter Pilot?

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warrrreagl

No.

But if you recorded the episode, go back and freeze it on the photo on the monk's desk when Desmond turns in his robe. It's a snapshot of the monk standing next to Debbie Reynolds, who figured prominently in Desmond's first flashbacks with Penny several weeks ago but I can't remember how.

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absorbentishe

I didn't catch who was in the photo, but I knew it was something we needed to see. Wasn't the ex's brother in another flash back as well? He looked familiar.

Tamerlain

I caught that too. In the flashbacks, she knew that Desmond was able to see the future. Basically, she told him it was important that he let what he sees happen, because it will happen anyway (underscoring the fact that Desmond has saved Charlie's life 3 times [4 after this episode] but he will likely end up dying anyway).

As well as finding it incredibly sexy, I find it odd that Kate is still wearing thong underwear... 60+ days into their stay on the island. But I guess when you crash land your wardrobe would be pretty limited.

I've enjoyed the last few episodes; I think the writers are building up to what is (hopefully) going to be a good season finale.

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Rekna

I thought the girl in the photo was the "sheriff" of the others. Am I wrong about that?

tricks

She's the woman who Des tries to buy the wedding ring from, the jewlery shop owner, who knows what he can see from the first "Desmond Flashback" episode.

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yellowmac

er, from the Lost universe or from other tv/movies she's in? She is a new character, right?

Now, would the pilot have been Penny had Desmond let Charlie die?

ratbastid

That's clearly what Des thinks.

Tamerlain

It's not possible that the pilot would have been Penny had Desmond let Charlie die. The pilot was already on the island and hanging from the tree by the time we get to the scene where Charlie is "supposed" to die. Whether or not Charlie lives or dies only influences what happens after that point. So, Charlie living or dying can only affect whether or not the pilot is alive or dead, which is why...

...I disagree with that. I think Desmond only regretted letting Charlie live when he thought the pilot was dead hanging from the tree. Now that the pilot is alive, he has nothing to regret since Charlie living or dying couldn't have influenced who the pilot was. Obviously, had the pilot been Penny and also been dead, Desmond would have been questioning his decision.

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Rekna

I'm thinking that the whole Juliet thing is a ploy to get Sun to go along with testing that they wanted to do on Claire but were unable to because she was rescued.

ratbastid

Ah, you're just not thinking like the Island.

warrrreagl

OK, so eyepatch came back to life. And we believe Jack's father came back to life. And Locke warned that things don't tend to stay buried on the island.

Let's just hope to God that Arntz doesn't come back.

*shiver*

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Frosstbyte

Well, clearly not everyone who is dead stays dead and/or there are multiple levels of death and everyone who is there is dead and if you die again after you're dead you can't be reborn. Or something.

This episode was VERY confusing.

fresnelly

He could have been faking it i guess. He's pretty resourceful that way.

I liked the revelation at the end that Spoiler: fake plane wreckage was created to discourage a rescue.

Any cunning linguists out there who can confirm what the Helicopter Pilot was mumbling about when semi concious? I'm particularly curious about what Patchy translated as "Thank you for saving me."

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absorbentishe

I have to re-watch it. I *gasp* fell asleep during the show. I did catch the spoiler, that really puts a twist on things.

guthmund

According to those on the internets, she said something to the effect of "I'm not alone / I'm not the only one" in Portugeuse. I don't know how accurate that is as I don't speak Portugeuse, but it seems the general consensus.

Fake plane wreckage and fake bodies? She said no survivors, right? That sort of implies they found bodies, doesn't it?

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