That's just it. The geek mystique is still unfathomable to many people. It's more than that. Since when is "Screech" or "Urkel" the hero, or the love interest? Is there anyone more nerdy than Peter Petrelli or Hiro? The show's success was definitely a surprise to the execs as they were picked up for more episodes.

It also breaks a lot of traditional Hollywood formulas. Having this many characters is risky. Also, this is one hell of a diverse cast and not just bit roles either. Having a few interracial couples is quite shocking in the entertainment world. Despite popular opinion, Hollywood is quite conservative which is why it's always funny when people refer to it as crazy liberal. Hollywood can be quite resistant to change and fears anything new.

Let's not forget Toby McGuire as Peter Parker.

It's definitely a good time to be a comic book geek. Thank the X-Men and Spider-Man movies for that. Hollywood needed to see that the kids that grew up during a time when comic books were very popular (10 - 15 years ago) are now old enough to spend their money.

And NBC seems to be the first network to take notice, and they're reaping the benefits.

I think the best thing about Heroes is that the show isn't afraid to have its characters use their powers. That was my biggest fear going into it, that the show would be focused on the mystique of people *sort-of* having powers, but your were never sure what was really going on. Sort of like Lost or the X-Files, in a sense. But they've instead embraced the idea that these people can do extraordinary things, and the show isn't aren't afraid to explicitly show that.




Wait a second.

Have we seen any powers used *on* HRG? Both Persuado Girl and the Haitian were around him all the time... but there was never any indication that they tried to use their powers on him. Maybe that's his ability? He's invulnerable to other heroes' abilities or something? That might explain why Sylar couldn't do anything to HRG... just throwing that out there.

Could be something to do with his glasses. There were a few instances where the show seemed to focus in on that (especially as an identifying feature). Think in the first couple of episodes, when Mohinder was in his father's apartment there was a close up of his glasses. Then there was the time when his glasses were cracked in the scuffle between him, the Haitian and Nathan. Then Nathan took off.

Eden did try to use her powers on him or at least it was implied. HRG said something to the effect of ,"your power won't work on me here" or something like that. However, maybe because it was because the Haitian was in the vicinity.

Sylar might not have been able to do anything to HRG due to the cell. Somehow it was "power proofed". Sylar was able to break through when Eden had to switch it off in order to use her power to try and persuade Sylar to kill himself.

Something I just realized by going through the older episodes that helps my little time theory.

In one of the episodes, charlie says "anata wa yasashi desu" (which actually means "you are kind" not "you are cute" don't know why they didn't put that in the subtitle). Yasashi is not in the book (or so says Hiro). But what word does she use in the flashback episode to hiro? Yasashi.

about the fact that Sylar couldn't use his powers in the cell when HRG was there but he could use them to kill that girl, I think it's far-fetched to think that they created a machine or the like that can turn off his powers. I am fairly sure it was just that the Haitian was around. The Haitian always seems to be with HRG. He wasn't around when the girl (I can't remember her name) got killed.

On a side note, I am having extreme withdrawls from the show! This is the coolest, most well-written show that I have seen in a long time.

Did you see it got nominated for a Golden Globe?

As it should. Also, Masi Oka (Hiro) is nominated for Best Performance for a Supporting Actor. That's really cool.

I'm pretty sure that the reason Sylar was able to break through the glass was because of the gun. Previously, he didn't have any object to telekenetically move. As for Eden, she pulled the trigger on herself just so that Sylar could not gain her ability.

Don't forget Heroes is back tonight! I for one have been eagerly awaiting this day. Man my DVR better not screw up in taping this and 24...

I can't wait, this is gonna be great!

Just finished watching it. Not exactly happy about how they jumped around all the characters. I would've preferred they stuck with only a few characters.

However, the invisible man should be interesting if he is peter's mentor.

I didnt mind so much the jumping around, only because I havnt seen the show in so long, i do hope in the future though they continue the 'only a couple of characters per episode' formula.

I did enjoy the episode though, the invisible man looks great, I can't wait for the next one!

Anybody else trading emails with Primatech Paper's HR department?

Was the e-mail address on the card that was given to suresh? I didn't notice.

There was a web address and a phone number. If you call the phone number, you get a code to enter on the "Jobs" part of the website, inside which you can subscribe to a mailing list for information on open positions at Primatech... after taking a brief psychological profile test. :thumbsup:

So who saw Heroes last night? Again, I absolutely love this episode, I knew Sylar was going to open his eyes but I jumped when he did it. I also completely marked out when I saw George Takei, I can't wait to see where this storyline goes.

I think the storyline thats boring me the most is the Nikki/Jessica storyline but only because it doesnt seem to connect to anything else yet - I wonder where they'll go with that.

I loved the invisible man, who is the actor who is playing that? Is he the same guy that was in Doctor Who? Or where do I know him from? He's awesome!

Yes, Invisible Man is the actor from Dr. Who. He is supposedly going to be recurring on the show as Peter's mentor.

Takei is pretty badass as Hiro's father, interesting development.

The story just keeps getting deeper and deeper, it's like the neverending saga/epic.

Sylar is crazy. I wonder if he "took" the cockroaches" attributes. Do you think HRG is killed?

Does Claire's mom have an ability? I mean both of them survived the fire.

We're not sure what Claire's mom's ability is - except for the fact that she lit her cigarette by producing a flame with her fingers. I'm sure we'll learn much more about her next week.

I, too, am very intrigued to see where they go with Takei as Hiro's father. And, even more, who is he? He's not Linderman, who I'm sure will be very interesting once he's cast, as it seems to me that he'll be the factor to tie other characters into Nikki/Jesse's storyline.

Great episode last night. :)

What did Hiros father have? All I caught was that he had real power, which I assumed was like, control over money and people.

Yep. She didn't die in the explosion: she was the explosion.

Right at the end of the episode, the Heroes web game sent me an SMS with a username and password on primatechpaper.com.

Yeah, I'm rather certain that if she can produce and hold flame in her bare hand, she's not likely to be hurt by fire at all.

She probably had some fire-power-related accident in her sleep or something, and all these years thought that she killed her baby....

I laughed when Hiro, all dejected about the sword being a reproduction says, "I'll take it back." :lol:

I'm sure the sword will be a mental focus for him, but I tend to think his lack of power is just in his head, I don't think he really *needs* it, except as a totem/confidence-booster since Memory Girl died and he failed to save her.

ooo! What does that take you to?

Next week's episode looks like it'll be really really good.

This weeks was good, but like daval, i'm getting bored of nikki and dl.

I'm quite curious about Hiro's dad. I wonder how he fits into all of this.

I wonder who Claire's father is... Could it be Nathan? Linderman?

You know, the character relationships are starting to sort themselves out a bit. There are various groups or cohorts we can group.

1. HRG and the Primatech organization
- the Haitian

2. The Heroes
a. Nikki/Jessica, DL, Micah
b. Hiro (and Ando) --- Mr. Nakumura

c. Peter Petrelli/Nathan Petrelli -- Claude Reigns ---mama, papa Petrelli
d. Matt Parkman, Audrey --- FBI ----wife Sandy, unborn child (ability?)

e. Issac --Simone

3. New alliance/faction
a. Ted Sprague
b. Hana Gilgeman

4. Linderman

5. Sylar

These five groups can be linked via many ways. Chasing Sylar, going after HRG, tracking down the rest of the "heroes".

I find the new "group" of Ted and Hana to be really interesting. I loved the scene with Ted playing with "fireballs" in his shack. Will Ted and Hana stage an assault on Primatech throwing fireballs and her with her military skills? I wonder if Hana will be able to counter the Haitian and/or HRG?

Plus Sylar seems like a great twist in this scenario. Will there be a coming showdown between Ted and Sylar with Ted chucking fireballs at him? and will Sylar "throw" them back or maybe he will be radiation resistant on account of absorbing the cockroaches ability (fake death, radiation resistant).

At some point I think, in the near future, all these guys will start converging more and more as their storylines interconnect.

I hope they'll have an episode the shows what powers Sylar has stolen.

The thing I don't get is, dig HRG's organization bring out Hana's (et al) abilities or did he just stimulate them or trigger them to "activate"? As in "activating evolution"?

But then again, it seems like Hana always had her ability, so it was more that HRG was harnessing it and "using" her.

Ted, Matt, and Hana surely have to converge at some point, most likely soon, especially since Matt has been suspended. This little trio is pretty potent.

great episode. The stories are all finally coming together and I love it!

Haven't seen tonight's episode yet, I'm on west coast time. I will check as soon as I have seen it though.

Where are all the Heroes' fans?

I saw the episode, was pretty darn cool. I was hoping to see a lot more of George Takei though, I didnt think his whole storyline would be wrapped up in one episode (unless it hasnt and he comes back). Did anyone notice the guy's deragatory comment to Hiro in the preview calling him Sulu?

I'm glad that HRG survived, I thought he was gonna die for sure. I also wasnt overly suprised by Nathan being Claire's father, but still a cool twist.

Man, I was DYING for them to finally bring out Linderman there. But tying Nathan into that story line is cool. Little did Peter know that "the cute kid in Odessa with the sad smile" is his niece!

Yeah, so much for a romance storyline. :lol:

Did anyone notice the license plate of the limo Takei's character got into? "NCC-1701" - the registration number of the starship USS Enterprise from the original Star Trek series.

I didnt notice last night but read that elsewhere, neat.

We're going to find out that Peter and Nathan aren't true blood brothers: Peter is adopted. Peter's actual fraternal brother is Sylar (they both absorb powers of others). Sylar is the Evil Twin and Peter is (trying to be) the Good Twin.

These are the days of our lives.

Is that speculation or spoiler? If spoiler please put that statement in spoiler tags to hide. If speculation, pretty interesting thoughts.

Pure speculation. Although, at times, I think I could be a writer for shows like Heroes and Lost when my speculations come true.

Nothing will happen between Peter and Claire. Mainly because she's a minor on the show! Unless Hiro does some sort of Time Warp. Hmmm... we may be on to something... ;)

Actually, I believe nothing would have happened as it's been reported that they loathe each other and can't even stand to be in the same room to do scenes together. Definitely not likely for them to ever "hook up". Although, now that's not a problem, since she's been written in as his niece.

Shoegirl, can you please provide a source for that? I'd love to read the article.

I would also like to see a source for that. Why would they have some much animosity towards each other?