Zeraph

More of an intuition than actual evidence. Mostly because of all the wierd tattoos and signs appearing everywhere.

Also was it ever proven who murdered the indian doctor? That leads me to believe he was killed for his work either to steal it, or because they had already figured it out and didnt want other people to know. Then theyve been using Sylar to take the brains for genetic research so they can reproduce the powers in anyone they'd like. This would also be a possible reason why Sylar may have more than one power, because they've suped him up so to speak.

It could also be aliens, never rule out aliens

ratbastid

Old man Suresh, you mean? It was definitely Sylar--his watch puts him there in the last episode.

GoldenOuroboros

I think Sylar only has one power, telekinesis, but it might be advanced. Suresh found Sylar and helped him to use his powers, who knows what Suresh might have found out while helping Sylar develps his powers. Did it actually say that he was removing their brains?

As soon as they were investigating sylar and the blonde detective walked into the scene in the house and it had the lady pinned to the side of with stuff sticking out of her, which normally only a couple of people would be able to achieve I knew he would have been a telekinetic.

We'll just have to wait and see

Might be aliens too, the two pin pricks on the back of Matts neck and Radioactive mans neck. The strange tatoo on Niki has on her shoulder coincides with what was on Sureshs' book, and it's what the haitian guy wears around his neck. So I think you could be right about the large company bit..

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Hiro teleported to my birthday!

I have the same birthday as cute memory girl!

Sweet!

Jove

I liked how they went back 6 months with all the characters before they learned their powers.

Sylar absorbs other peoples from people who have the genetic mutation in their brain, but how? How exactly does he fix the problem... He was a bit geeky before going on a killing spree.

Moskie

The episode was ok. Hiro's storyline was the best... sweet and heartbreaking. And I like the fact that Hiro's powers are "bigger" than he is and that he "can't change the past." It's a good way to keep his powers in check.

But I also wanted them to be a bit more explicit about what it is that Sylar does to get his powers. There doesn't seem to be a reason to be so mysterous about it anymore. What does he do once he slices their heads open? Maybe he just rubs their brains all over his naked body, and that magically gives him the heroes' powers..... Ok, maybe not, but just tell us already!

And I'm still pretty ambivalent about the Nikki/Jessica storyline. I want it to tie in to the other storylines soon, because it just seems insignificant otherwise.

Ok, one last complaint (i love the show, really, i swear): Flying Nathan looked really, really hokey. You'd think they'd have the special effects budget to make that look a little better...

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jorgelito

Hmmmm.... I think the key to Sylar lays in his ability to "fix things". As Churesh said, evolution is all in the brain, so that is where Sylar has to harvest powers. He seems to be mechanically inclined. Maybe that's his special power? I'm assuming he is able to extract the "DNA" or what-have you from the victim and add it to his own or something like that.

Jessica/Nikki appear to be involved with Linderman who is tied in with the Petrelli brothers. Also, DL and Micah have encountered Hiro & Ando already.

Cool episode, but still more questions than answers!

What is HRG's connection/function?

What was Chanti's ability/mutation?

What exactly does the Haitian mind eraser/sleeper do?

Man, we're starting to get real deep into the show.

fresnelly

Based on the promo for next week, it looks like there is going to be a showdown between Nikki and her Husband where the mind reading Cop intercedes. I wouldn't be surprised if some other heros get in the mix here as well.

Did the Haitian break Sylar's neck and kill him? It kind of looked that way but that would be an awfully quick death. Maybe he just knocked Sylar out and him to the ground to be interrogated later.

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ratbastid

Seems like he can also suppress psy abilities. He kept Eden from Jedi-mind-tricking HRG. The first time we saw him was when Matt was in the bar, starting to get overwhelmed by the thoughts he could hear--and when he saw Hatian looking at him, it all went silent.

Sultana

I'm still confused about Sylar, in that he didn't have telekinesis until after he killed that first guy, the "real" telekinetic. He's killed others since then, but hasn't displayed other abilities. He's not swapping abilities out. If he was adding to them, he'd be too powerful to keep from unbalancing the show (hello Highlander).

His original ability was fixing things (Is watch working a superhuman ability?!?). I would have said, "fixing *mechanical* things". How would that work in an organic, biological environment (human brains)? I just don't see that he's adding abilities as he kills folks. And adding/collecting super powers isn't "fixing" anything. He doesn't turn watches into speed boats. He just made them work again.

I wonder what happened to that little girl he was after, that the Cop saved?

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Zeraph

No, Sylar is alive (it shows him in a cell in the preview). He was just knocking him out.

I agree Moskie with all the critiques.

Sylar's ability isn't fixing mechanical things, it's understanding how things work. In other words once he applied himself to the problem he became an expert in how genetics work (which when you get down to it we are just advanced organic machines). But as far as what he's doing with the brains and why he even needs to kill them . . . kinda lame so far. I can't think of a reason they could give that would make sense. I was thinking maybe he removed the part of their brain that gives them powers and added it to his own. But how the heck could he perform brain surgery on himself to insert it?

zed wolf

all I can say is I was rather disappointed with this epp. It was almostinteresting to see sylar's beginnings but then again....meh...
I was also hopeing for more of the Hiro story.
Yep, my opinion for the most part is this one was a waste of an epp.
Although.. it was nice to see that persuader girl with long hair. I thought she was pretty cute before but with long hair like that, WOW!

777

Well, to quote Gabriel Grey, aka Sylar, "Just a talent I have for the way things work. How the parts should go..." The moment that Siresh works in, Gabe noticed that his watch was broken. And when Sylar met Brian, he was "broken". Sylar can see the "part" in the brain that make up one's power. He appears to be able to extract that ability and take it into himself, and make it his own (the basterd). And yes, villians tend to over power the heros.

And regarding the little girl, I think she has a normal, less tasty brain.

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ratbastid

Why do you think he came after her in the police station, then? Pretty risky move, if he's not going to get some sort of badassness out of it.

BuddyHawks

He can freeze people too. He did it in the future to Issac.

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ratbastid

True! And to the little girl's father!

Nancy

Perhaps she has the ultimative power. That would certainly be worth the risk..

Indeed I do:



I suspect that the deceased are all Sylar's victims.

Oh and two more whom Suresh has identified:
Spoiler:
"March 19
Location: Palu, Indonesia
Continent: Asia
S: Female
Age: 22
Race: Malaysian
Sample Type: Toenail Clipping
Acquisition of Sample: ( ) subject in the ( ) for a few weeks realising that she had her nails done every five days. So I went to the ( ) one day after seeing her ( ) and asked the manicurist for samples. Subject was unaware of any intentions to get data from her.
Potential Power: Transportation

February 12th
Location: Marabai, Brazil
Continent: South America
S: Female
Age: 13
Race: Columbian
Sample Type: Blood
Acquisition of Sample: I ( ) this who (was known) as being Brazil's greatest wrestler under the age of ( ) so I had to check her out. It became apparent at the match to me that she had some special power. It was as if she knew every move that her opp(onent) was going to make before they made it. She got distracted at one ..."





What do you make of the individual symbols beneath the dates? Perhaps they're Suresh's way of classifying their abilities or perhaps they're something else. Something very significant ...

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fresnelly

Thanks Nancy!

Tonight's mid-season finale was great. Claire's friends being mindwiped, Persuado Girl getting wasted (sigh), Matt staking out the Haitian, Claire and Peter getting all googley, Hiro set to take on a T-Rex... I can't wait for the story to pick up again.


Here's a tidbit I found on a Doctor Who website http://www.gallifreyone.org:

Fun, no?

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Moskie

I liked the episode, too. I had my money on Isaac being the one to die, but I didn't really like Persuado Girl (her power was cool, but she's an awful actress), so I'm fine with what happened. And I like how the Haitian is actually a character now, and it's cool that he's helping Claire.

Peter and Matt experiencing feedback when they were in the room together was nice. And I guess Peter is starting to be able to access powers he's absorbed after the fact, right? I think that he was using either Isaac's powers of clairvoyance, or Hiro's power of time travel/teleportation when he passed out.

So with Sylar: he was just choosing not to use powers until the end? Why did HRG think he couldn't? And I guess we already knew he could his powers when he visited Peter (assuming he actually did visit Peter...)


something funny i noticed, and i hope this doesn't offend anyone: isn't it so transparent how the writers are referring to the Haitian as "the Haitian," when you KNOW they're just saying that because they can't say "Holy crap, the black dude!!".... or, dare I say, the n word??

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ratbastid

I was wondering that the whole episode. He's got him in this big glass and plasic cage--like he's freaking Magneto or something--and he thinks that's going to keep him suppressed?

I'm not convinced that Hatian had anything to do with Sylar not just coming through the glass at HRG. I think Sylar was biding his time. I think from the moment he heard Persuado Girl put him down outside the high school, he had his eye on that ability, and he waited for his moment to get it.

777

Actually, I believe that Sylar's prison had a sort of power nullifier installed. Like what the Haitian does. Something that would keep special people from using their power(s). But when Eden (Persuado Girl) walked in with her plan to kill off Sylar, she would have to switch the device off in order to persuade him. Unfortunately, Sylar seems resistant to it, and shattered the glass (with poor Eden).

And here I thought that RadioactiveMan would be the one to blow up New York. Isn't he charged for terrorisim?

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fresnelly

Radioactive Man may well still blow up New York, but it could just as easily be Peter if he absorbs that particular power. D'oh!

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Sultana

That's what I was thinking.

And why is Peter sick now? I was wondering if it was a small thing, being near Claire again would help him get over it (if she can heal injuries, shouldn't she be able to heal illness too?).

It's nice to see the cop being utilized more interacting with the others, he seemed unfairly isolated for a long time.

Oh, and do you suppose that Sylar can now pursuade people, now that Eden's brains were all over the glass? Or does he need a whole brain to figure out someone's power?

Did you notice that Eden (and Claire's father, apparantly) was under the impression that "The Haitan" couldn't talk? Obviously wrong.

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Siege

Something I just wanted to bring up about a previous episode. But did anyone notice that when Hiro first meets Charlie, she mentions that she was given a japanese phrase book for her birthday? And then when Hiro goes back, what does he give her? A japanese phrase book. Does that mean that when he first met her, it was already a present that took into account that he would go back in time??

This could easily go around in circles, so i'll stop now.

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Deltona Couple

I believe that the reason Peter is sick was because of all the internal injuries that he sustained when he fell from the back of the stadium. He was in a hurry to protect Claire, so he had her run away, but he only had use of her powers for a short time, so he was unable to fully heal before she was out of range. I think that the explosion MAY be Peter, after he absorbs some of the NuclearGuy's powers, but is unable to control it, since it is new to him, so he overloads, but of course you KNOW they aren't gonna allow that to happen. NO WAY the network would actually allow a nuclear explosion in New York. So we KNOW that something is going to stop it.

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fresnelly

I picked up on Peter's sickness as well. The best theory I can come up with, is that his body can't handle the multiple powers he's absorbing. I'm thinking back to an old X-files episode where the villian was a kid who could run like The Flash. The kicker was that the power was slowly killing him because his mere mortal body just wasn't designed for the strain.

I think this question qualifies you for the Geek Merit badge. I have no idea.

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Jove

I was also thinking about that, but if Hirio did travel to the past to give Charlie the Japanese phrase book then when they meet again in the present she should have recognized him and said "Hey Hirio, how are you!? Thanks for the phrase book. But, instead she seemed to be meeting him again for the first time.

I also noticed Peter looking quite ill, but that might be due to the loss of blood from falling off the building and breaking numerous bones, but I like your idea that absorbing people's powers is slowly killing him.

Zeraph

I don't think anyone's brought this up yet, but how could Sylar resist the persuasion voice she uses?

Something odd is going on with power usuage, let's hope it's something that makes sense and not bad writing...

And do we know all of Sylar's powers yet? We know he has more than one at least, right?

jorgelito

Space time continuum logic is tricky in TV & film. It's best not to try and figure it out (or yes, you will indeed go in circles). There are many problems associated with it - parallel time lines, dimensions, the grandfather paradox etc.

I think that's why Hiro's story/timeline is difficult enough for the writers to sketch out.

I think we are to presume that Eden's power is rendered useless for Sylar to "absorb" as she essentially committed suicide by blowing her brains out.

Sylar's talent is seeing how things work and "fixing" them. From there, he was able to obtain other powers beginning with telekinesis from Bryan Davis. Other powers MAY include: freezing, speed, strength.

I am also confused to how he was able to resist Eden the second time around (in the cell).

Peter's illness is intriguing. Many of the heroes display a similar tendency for illness that seems to be related to their powers. EX: Matt, Ted both had headaches, Claire's coughing as a little girl. There seems to be a connection.

Maybe the cumulative effect of all that power is overwhelming Peter. We do know that in future episodes, Peter gains a mentor (Invisible Man) who helps him control his power. From the previews, it looks like Peter is in the hospital, maybe in a coma.

Peter's dream is not necessarily literal; it is often metaphorical or allusory (Peter is often referred to as the Dreamer). We already know Peter does not blow up or if he does, he lives because Future Hiro already came back and established that Peter was present in the future after the explosion.

Needless to say, January 22 seems like an eternity. I am doing all I can to resist pulling a Cartman and having myself frozen til the "future"......

777

Well, Claire plus Radioactiveman makes Peter, "The Great Explodoman!" The ability to blow yourself up and reconstitute your body. And ready for another explosion

But seriously, it's "The Haitian" that everyone has to worry about. He can keep someone from using their power, and make them forget everything he wants you to forget. And now, it looks like he not mute at all, and has plans of his own. "Can you keep a secret?"

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Zeraph

I think he's the connection/the one working for the previously mentioned conglomerate conspiracy thing.


I wonder if Sylar's downfall will be convincing him that he's broken and needs to be destroyed?

ratbastid

Okay, WHY would the Hatian EVER need to worry about Claire keeping a secret? He can just wipe HRG of anything Claire might say to spill the beans. Maybe that's why he feels confident going behind HRG's back with Claire.

Moskie

Maybe his plans involve something greater than just HRG.

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ratbastid

Woo! So Ninja Hiro visited the Hatian too?

Moskie

I hadn't actually considered that, but that would be damn cool.

I was just thinking that the Haitian is aware of something bigger, as in maybe he is getting his orders from someone higher up than HRG. Remember when HRG was on his cell phone for a second? It sounded as if he was talking to his boss.... and the boss didn't seem too happy. (I forget exactly what was said, but that's the impression I got.) And whoever the Haitian is working with is somehow aware of Claire's importance.

One thing I don't believe, is that the Haitian is working alone, or is seeking personal gain.

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fresnelly

I think the key here is that Charlie did recognize him, but played innocent. It's kind of touching really: She got to meet him for the first time all over again.

I'm not sure the writers actually played it that way, but that's how I can reconcile it.

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Zeraph

There's a thought. Perhaps when Hiro "retires" (or takes a break after they save the world) later in the show he goes way back in time to spend time with her (like years) and after getting to know her all over again and gaining her trust and convinces her of his ability he tells her to meet all his future selves as if for the first time. Maybe they even got married.

777

Yep, I'm in favor of another rescue attempt. The show could use a brianic redhead , since it's currantly over run with blondes.

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Roger Zelazny

jorgelito

Ahh, you know, I actually enjoyed the Hiro-Charlie love story. I thought it was really sweet and very touching. Very surprising actually that those two would have a love interest. Same with Nikki and DL, Peter and Simone.

Kudos to Hollywood for "taking a chance".

Surprisingly, Hiro tops the fan polls. Somewhere in Hollywood, teams of execs and marketing people are scratching their heads.

ratbastid

I don't know. This whole show totally speaks to the power of the geek demographic. I don't think it's a surprise to them at all.