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How many times is Peter going to point a gun at someone and end up not killing them? At least he got a shot off this time.

Please writers of Heroes, let Daphne die, kill Mohinder, Ando, Tracy, and Sylar's buddy, and make Parkman stop being a lame version of Issac Mendez. Above all, stop recycling ideas from previous seasons. :thumbsdown:

"Burlington Northern"? :D

So I was just stopping by this thread to see how many other people dropped this show from their line up this season. Personally, 10 minutes into the 2nd episode did it for me. I was very apprehensive to see what they were going to do, and threatening two of the three immortal heroes with a gun made me turn the TV off.
At least train wrecks are interesting and typically kill the putz conductors who are responsible for them; I'm still waiting for the producer/writers' mass public execution.

Here is a theory someone posted on another forum that I found pretty interesting......

I hope Sylar meets his dad soon and he is played by Leonard Nimoy.

Sylar wore horn-rimmed glasses as a kid.
HRG is his long lost brother!

Also, looks like daddy is a headcutter, too.

Didn't Sylar kill the puppet guy?

It looked like it, plus he would've burned with the Primatech building. Now that I think about it, I don't remember them showing how Sylar got out of the Primatech building since he got stabbed in the back of the head by Claire. So it seems like there's someone who saved the puppet guy and Sylar?

Did everyone give up on this show?

Last night almost seemed like they're actually starting to try to turn things around. People were using their powers intelligently, Daphne and Tracy died, and Sylar seems to be over his daddy issues. I still think this should be the last season for Sylar, and I think a few other main cast members also need to be killed off.

Rebel turned out the be Micah, which I think was kinda obvious... when Matt Parkman's baby turned on the TV with his hands, I thought "they better not make that baby be Rebel" but luckily the writers aren't as stupid as I thought they were. I thought Molly would've been involved in the rebel plot too, but maybe Micah can use his leet hacking skillz to track people down as well.

Hiro and Ando... I pretty much stop paying attention now when they're on the screen, except when Ando decided to use his power Dragonball Z style... he needs to do stuff like this more often. Hiro got part of his powers back... eh.

The Matt and Daphne scenes were hard to watch, but at least Matt actually using his powers. Peter is a badass as long as he doesn't talk that much or do anything that requires critical thinking, and no screen time for Nathan or Sylar are also pluses.

Hopefully the writers can salvage whats left of this season by making everyone smarter, more consistent, and less whiny.

Do you think Tracy is truly dead? The wink at the end made me think she might be able to come back or something......

I actually liked Daphne and am sad she's dead, but I do agree they need to trim out some of the cast.

Yeah, I was like wtf? Did the ice eyeball just wink at me? In comics that means they're coming back. In this show I'm not sure...

I thought I saw her wink, and actually it made me think of the end of Freddy vs Jason. But my wife said she was crying. Maybe both? There's still the third sister of Nikki and Tracy so either way, whats her face will still be apart of the cast.

I thought Daphne being forced into a relationship with Parkman was weird and kind of derailed both characters, but her death made me sad.

I wasn't paying attention but was the puppet guy dead in Danko's apartment?

Not dead, just unconscious. we see him later in the room with the rest of the detainees.

Who caught him though and took him to Danko?

I think they might have been implying sylar (we saw him working with danko in the previews). But I'm hoping it was claire. Would make her boring character more interesting if she plays both sides.

I don't see how she'd be able to overpower him and string him up like that, but I agree that would be an interesting development. I say most likely it was Sylar, since they are hinting he teams up with Danko in the next episode preview.


I read somewhere that due to the poor ratings, NBC is cutting the Heroes budget and making changes to the writing staff... I guess there was buzz about Bryan Fuller (writer from Season 1) returning on a two year contract starting with this week's episode. Hopefully they'll get the show back on track and we'll all pretend the beginning of this season and the entire past two seasons never happened.

Maybe we'll also find out what happened to the Irish chick that Peter abandoned in that alternate dystopian future.

I hope they bring her back somehow so that she can get revenge on Peter for ditching her.

If her eye could wink while frozen, why couldn't she get the hell out of there while frozen, like Iceman?
C'mon, writers!

Tracy is not dead. Not even close. The wink was a huge giveaway. The way I see it, her power has evolved so that she can turn herself into liquid form. She will melt into that drain they showed, and she'll reassemble herself. Another point is that when she froze those other people, when they shattered the insides were red/blood. When Danko shot her, she was solid ice. I am actually quite impressed with how the writers have reveled this side of her to us. well done episode.

Sister? Have we seen a sister of Angela Petrelli yet? I don't recall.

I think its the first time it's been mentioned that she has a sister. Seems kind of odd four seasons in she'll say "oh yeah I have to go see my sister that I've never talked about before and don't have pictures of in my house" but I hope they can pull it off.

The Sylar/Danko stuff was way better than the stuff with Sylar and that kid and Sylar's dad. They should've done this from the beginning. I thought the ending was good, but I didn't know Sylar could absorb powers without digging in people's brains. I think they've set Sylar up for some interesting stuff and potentially a good exit.

My prediction... Sylar absorbs tons of powers with the help of Danko, then kills Danko. Sylar eventually kills Nathan and takes his shape causing all of the events from the future of season 1 to begin to happen (e.g. Sylar/Nathan becomes president, Hiro finally becomes a badass, etc.). I think the explosion in DC that Matt painted wasn't that bomb strapped to his chest. I think Sylar is going to try to cause an actual nuclear explosion in DC. Its pretty cheesy but it goes along with all the story recycling the writers were doing this season. I hope the writers surprise me.
I like that they are focusing on a few characters at a time per episode now, plus the dialogue is getting better. We'll see...

One other thing... Claire was good in this episode but I don't understand why she would agree to run away with Nathan. I thought she hated him?

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On an unrelated note, has anybody ever heard of a west Baltimore accent?

Clair is the worst part of that series now. Go ahead and quit saving the freakin cheerleader

The friggin gov't storyline is overblown, post-911 hype. I mean I will believe people have super powers waaaaay before I believe the federal government is competent enough to scan all traffic lights to find individuals through facial recognition.....

What ever happened to Nathan's wife and kids from season one? did I miss something? I remember his wife getting the use of her legs back but thats it. were they killed off? I think I'd remember that... I think the last few episodes this season are going to be great! this last episode was pretty damn good.

DB

She took the kids and left him. Rumor is that we're supposed to see them again this season, and at least one of Nathan's sons has an ability.

I agree that this show its getting better. There wasn't much good material from the beginning of this season to work with, but they're making do... Looking forward to seeing if Sylar goes crazy after taking on so many different identities, what Mohinder plans to do in the middle of nowhere by himself (hopefully, die), and how hardcore Danko is going to get now that Parkman screwed up his love life.

I liked the episode this week, it was a huge improvement over earlier this season.

Ok, I'm confused again. (big surprise)

I thought Swoosie Kurtz's character from a few weeks ago was Angela's sister. Now it seems not.
Who was Swoosie's character in relation to Angela?

I thought she was one of Angela's old friends that she lost touch with due to Angela being a Primatech-running psycho bitch.

Weeee, finally got better. Great couple of last episodes.

OK, I didn't like the whole program Sylar to be Nathan bit. It's so blatantly obviously never going to work. Let Nathan be gone and keep Sylar in a Coma or something. Move on.

Now ice girl is aqua girl? Hmm....

I have decided to watch this crap no longer. Between nobody actually dying and writers forgetting a character's particular abilities or changing them with no explanation (Ando going from supercharging somebody's abilities to crimson lightning, for example), this show has turned into an incoherent abortion of ideas. It's not even entertaining to watch because half the time you're spinning around in your chair screaming, "WTF was that all about?!?!?!?!?!?!" at the TV.

All of you budding screenwriters, take note. This is not the way you develop a television show.

It's enough to make me apologize for every bad thing I said about the Galactica finale.

Here is several questions: If you have a power like the characters on Heroes, would you run around acting emo and not wanting to take out some government agents? Or would you take out Danko, the government agents, and Sylar without thinking about it until later?

Personally, I'd take Danko out because he was incompetent and has no idea how to run a covert government operation. Then I'd push Petrelli back to Capitol Hill because covert government operations are more effective when U.S. Senators are not peering over your shoulder interfering with your operations. Then I'd hire Bennett because he was the only one who had some kind of experience and I know he'd rather be a foot soldier than a head honcho. Then I'd hire The Hatian, team him up with Bennett and have them work at nothing but tracking down Sylar because the Hatian don't mess around and I'd think he'd look cool in a suit and tie.

Then I'd return to the old company model, "one of us, one of them," and no bagging and tagging, just eliminate on sight. Dead characters can't exact their revenge.

Speaking of the dead, Ali Larter must have a kickass agent who slipped in a clause that says she can never be written out of the show. How many times is she going to come back?

Or maybe her means of advancement of her character(s) is a little bit of "truth in fiction". ;)

Bleh, that last episode or two was hard to watch. I'm getting sick of musical chairs with powers and dead characters coming back. I know they do this in comics to an extent, but the show just doesn't seem to be able to pull it off like the comics. The writers just can't seem to decide between writing a true hero comic styled TV show or some drama.

Aside from all of the other problems that we all know plague Heroes, what was up with them not showing any of the fight between Sylar and Nathan and Peter? Buffy had to have had 10% of the budget, but when Dark Willow shot blue lighting at people, they flew across the room. And that was years ago! It can't be that hard, can it?

haha, well put.

Sylar as President Nathan Patrelli from the first season seems more and more likely. Were they planning this from the beginning? The writing seems to haphazard, it'd be shocking if there were a feeling of continuity that started to emerge.

That would definately be cool if they could pull that off....